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jason.cinema
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 Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollhouse_(TV_series) http://www.fox.com/dollhouseI have it on the DVR and will be watching it shortly. Did anyone watch? And if so, what are your thoughts?
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:31 am |
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jksander
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I forgot it was on last night ... I'll probably give the pilot a view on Hulu though. But way for Whedon to get screwed again. Firefly died a slow death in the Friday night death slot. Now Dollhouse gets the same treatment from Fox, as a midseason replacement no less? I can tell you this ... 4.75 million viewers for a pilot's not going to cut it.
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:50 am |
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Ryan
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A huge disappointment. It lacked that sense of droll humor that Whedon usually uses, and the characters were very flat and lacking. None of it had me on the edge of my seat, and the premise is not just a tad confusing, but confusing all around. Thank god that Eliza Dushku is extremely easy on the eyes, or I would have stopped watching around the thirty-minute mark.
When it gets cancelled, I have a feeling that this time around only Joss will be hoping for its return.
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:21 am |
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Danny Baldwin
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Well, it is Friday programming. Nonetheless, I watched and I can't see it living for very long, either. Seems to be pretty inaccessible for those of us who aren't Whedonites. "Lost" seems to be the only exception to the unspoken rule that complicated, often unclear arcs with little episode-to-episode payoff are not allowed to thrive on current network TV. Nonetheless, I don't think I can deem "Dollhouse" complex or not at this point. It may only think itself to be complex... like Southland Tales, for instance. Then again, maybe Whedon's not onto something self-indulgent and totally niche this time around (unlikely). I wish Eliza Dushku were in something really inspired for a change. I like her a lot but I hate the crappola she's usually starring in.
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:25 am |
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jason.cinema
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Well, after all of the mixed opinions and vitriol that's been thrown this show's way, I was pleasantly surprised. It did try to cram a ton into this first episode, but I chalk that up to FOX wanting this retooled pilot episode. The only qualm I really had was why wouldn't a billionaire simply hire a hostage negotiator? Yeah, they addressed that but it's still a plot contrivance. All in all, I'm eager to see where Joss takes us, assuming FOX is patient and allows Dollhouse to find its footing. And it was really great seeing Amy Acker on television once again. As for the ratings... Viewers Give Warm Welcome To Whedon's Dollhousehttp://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/02/viewers_give_warm_welcome_to_w.php |  |  |  | Quote: Viewers Give Warm Welcome to Whedon's 'Dollhouse'
By Josef Adalian
Weeks of marketing and years of pent-up interest from Joss Whedon fans helped Fox's "Dollhouse" score a solid welcome Friday night.
The much-anticipated drama notched a 2.0 rating/6 share among adults 18 to 49 during its 9 p.m. Friday premiere, according to preliminary fast national data from Nielsen. It attracted 4.72 million viewers.
While "Dollhouse's" overall ratings were nothing spectacular, the show's 2.0 rating in adults 18 to 49 is a nice improvement over what Fox had been averaging in the fall with gameshow "Don't Forget the Lyrics." Most weeks last fall, "Lyrics" had been scoring between a 1.5 and a 1.7 in the demo.
"Dollhouse" also nearly doubled the ratings Fox averaged last spring with the Friday premiere of short-lived scripted drama "Canterbury's Law," which bowed to a 1.1/3. The early numbers seem to indicate that if Fox wants to program scripted series on Friday, genre fare such as "Dollhouse" is a much better option than a standard procedural.
Two other positive points: "Dollhouse" appears to have held on to its audience throughout the show, and the series built nicely on its lead-in, the relocated "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."
The latter drama earned a 1.3/5, a bit below what Fox had been earning with "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?" "Terminator" dipped from its most recent original telecast on Monday nights, when the show earned a 1.9/5 on Dec. 15.
Overall, "Dollhouse" ranked second in the 9 p.m. hour, just below ABC's "Supernanny" (2.2/7), but ahead of CBS' "Flashpoint" (1.9/6) and NBC's fading "Friday Night Lights" (1.1/3).
Among adults 18 to 34, "Dollhouse" earned a 1.7/6, coming within spitting distance of "Supernanny" (1.8/7) in that demographic. Fox's marketing of "Dollhouse" and "Terminator" as a pairing of "sexy sirens" paid off with men: Both dramas won their timeslot among men 18 to 34.
Fox executives will be watching the numbers closely in the coming weeks to see if "Dollhouse" can hold on to its audience. If the series can maintain its premiere numbers, Fox may have found itself a Friday night player.
The network had hoped airing the show on Fridays, rather than on Mondays as originally announced, would give it time to find and hold and audience. Mr. Whedon has indicated he's on board with the strategy. |  |  |  |  |
Dollhouse also placed highly in both the female and male demographics. http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/02/dollhouse-attra.html
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:03 am |
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Trevor
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I have to agree. I was very disappointed. I'm sure the humor that Whedon is famous for will work its way in eventually, but so far it feels pretty ordinary. Eliza Dushku is nice to look at, but I'm not yet convinced that she can carry a series.\ So far this series seems not as good as, and not as interesting as Firefly, and that doesn't bode well for it having a very long life.
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:42 am |
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timgoens
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I liked it. I think it has problems, but I think judging a show based on the first episode is not the way to do it. The entire first season of Buffy is rough. There are so many problems with it, it is hard for me to watch.
I like some of the ideas he is presenting, but we just have to see where he is going to go with it.
Pardon the run, but Joss has faith in Eliza and I believe in Joss's ability to create a world with rich characters, we just have to give him a little time and hope it pays off.
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:32 pm |
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JKJ
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I liked it too. Early press was very split, but the premiere was good. Not earth shatteringly good, just good. The show's not funny because the Dollhouse concept is not supposed to be, obviously. As I see it, it has a lot of potential. The Dollhouse setting is intriguing, in a sort of creepy new-agey way. And then there's all the other seeds that were sowed: the secret organization, the civilians working for it (like the ex-cop or the scarred scientist), the fearless FBI agent, the other "Actives", the technique that creates the "dolls", etc. Considering all this, Dollhouse might very well take off to the stratosphere very soon. Ten episodes from now, all the Net's fora will be buzzing like mad. My only gripe concerns Eliza Dushku. She's really too generic to leave an impression. Maybe that's the point, considering her character. 
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:21 pm |
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irerancincpkc
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I rather enjoyed the series premiere. Personally, I think it was Whedon's best series premiere, and that is with Fox putting their nose in the middle of it. Give it time to grow, and I'm sure some humor will surface. The show has so much potential... Now, if it will last past three episodes... 
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:45 pm |
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gatorhawk01
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I'm cautiously optimistic. I definitely thought Firefly got off to a better start in terms of engaging the audience. But I've heard some of the subsequent episodes are a little better.
However, if it was anyone other than Joss, I'd probably be one and done...
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| Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:51 pm |
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mkratzer21
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Given Joss's track record for making great TV (and great internet movies), I'm willing to watch this one every week. I thought the pilot was good, not great. I would love to have seen the Joss edit to the pilot, as opposed to the Fox edit. Why Fox wants to meddle with his shows is beyond me. He fought Fox for every inch on Firefly, and it got him 14 episodes. Maybe he just doesn't want to get canceled again. We'll see. It's an interesting premise, and I hope it's on long enough for him to explain more about the Dollhouse and the people who run it. I felt that was the more interesting story line. Eliza Dushku's character, as of now, I could care less about.
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| Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:41 am |
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Talisker
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I made it about halfway through before I went to do something more worthwhile. Could've been interesting, but good god, for someone whose character is going to be someone different every week, Dushku is a seriously terrible actress. Least convincing hostage negotiator ever committed to film, easily.
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| Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:36 pm |
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Trevor
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That is my biggest worry actually. She doesn't have the range that Jennifer Garner did. Joss is enamored with her, and perhaps mistakenly so (or for reasons other than her acting skills).
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| Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:26 pm |
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johnny larue
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I would have to agree with most of the sentiments. I thought that the overall concept was a little weak and the execution a bit muddled. Actually, some of Whedon's direction on the pilot I actually cringed at. I did notice that Eliza Dushku has a Producer credit on the show...don't know what that actually means.
On a side note, I was also unimpressed with the promos Dushku and Summer Glau did to promote the Friday night slots of their shows. Yes...you both are hot. No...you both will never be my girlfriend so it's NOT OK for me to sit at home on a Friday night on one of the TV graveyard shifts. I prefer to DVR and will catch up over the weekend. I cringed during those promos too.
I will continue to watch to see if it gets any better, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ran off the 10 episode commitment and went away.
On another side note, X-Files started out on Fridays before moving around, so it is possible to survive and thrive there.
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| Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:49 pm |
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Jaimie
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And those glasses................ did not help.
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| Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:41 pm |
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Trevor
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The 2nd episode was a little better - the mythology around the dollhouse is starting to develop and I like that.
I'm still not really convinced by these characters though. Harry Lennix continues to impress as Echo's handler, but beyond that it's a bit iffy. Topher seems like he's just going to be an annoyance with his "comic relief." Dushku played a character closer to what you'd expect from her tonight, and it worked out alright. She also does the blank stare of her base Echo character pretty well too.
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| Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:32 am |
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SamuraiThief
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1st episode... blah.
2nd episode... much, much better.
Still more potential than Fringe.
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| Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:18 pm |
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johnny larue
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I think the biggest problem I have with the series is that the "Dollhouse" is supposed to be this big super-secret operation and yet it seems any putz with cash can locate them and hire them out. You'd think the FBI agent would have found somebody who would have talked by now about it.
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| Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:40 pm |
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Trevor
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Good episode tonight. Great development of the plot-line of the agent trying to track down the Dollhouse. Awful, terrible accent by Dushku tonight though. With Firefly I loved the day-to-day plotlines and didn't care much for the big-picture stuff with River. With Dollhouse I hate the day-to-day stuff with Eliza Dushku muddling her way through another character, but I love the big-picture stuff with the Dollhouse that is developing. Very nice little twist at the end there. It seemed like Echo and Sierra remembered something as they passed each other - they may be becoming aware of their memory erasures and of the fact that they're not supposed to be.
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| Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:16 am |
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Cartman86
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 |  |  |  | Trevor wrote: Good episode tonight. Great development of the plot-line of the agent trying to track down the Dollhouse. Awful, terrible accent by Dushku tonight though. With Firefly I loved the day-to-day plotlines and didn't care much for the big-picture stuff with River. With Dollhouse I hate the day-to-day stuff with Eliza Dushku muddling her way through another character, but I love the big-picture stuff with the Dollhouse that is developing. Very nice little twist at the end there. It seemed like Echo and Sierra remembered something as they passed each other - they may be becoming aware of their memory erasures and of the fact that they're not supposed to be. |  |  |  |  |
Yep and i'll keep watching because of the bigger mystery stuff and simply because Joss Whedon is making it. But at some point the characters are going to need to be more interesting. Echo's handler is the only one I really see anything in right now. The best shows on TV that have mythologies have great characters as well. That is a requirement.
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| Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:59 am |
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