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Best Decade... 
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darthyoshi wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Robert Holloway wrote:
Wow, it's nice to reread this old thread. Tuco and I did battle between the forties and 80's. That was also fun.

Ultimately anyone can make a case for any decade they personally love.

So far we have cases for the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 90's.

My guess is that age is a factor here.

if we were being objective, the best way would be to take the top 1000 list and construct a weighting for each movie (1000 for 1, 999 for , etc) and come up with a decade score. Excel to the rescue maybe

Rob


Just like the guy above you did...the 50's won


Hi Darthyoshi

The problem with the approach outlined is that if one decade had 60 movies that were ranked from 940 to 1000 it would be declared the winner over a decade with 59 movies ranked 1-59

I don't think many of us would believe that to be true

Rob

Indeed, then it was the '40s and '60s about tied, then the '30s and '70s, then the '20s and '90s. I was kind of surprised that it was symmetrical like that.


Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:42 pm
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A good look at what was being produced from ~1939 to ~1949 confirms, in my mind, the 40's to be the decade where filmmaking grew by untold leaps and bounds. There are not just dozens, but well over 100, films from this era that have gone on to become tried and true classics. The enthusiasm of 60's experimentation makes it unique and important but, for the establishment of so many techniques and thematic sophistication, the 40's can't be beat.


Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:45 am
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majoraphasia wrote:
A good look at what was being produced from ~1939 to ~1949 confirms, in my mind, the 40's to be the decade where filmmaking grew by untold leaps and bounds. There are not just dozens, but well over 100, films from this era that have gone on to become tried and true classics. The enthusiasm of 60's experimentation makes it unique and important but, for the establishment of so many techniques and thematic sophistication, the 40's can't be beat.



Yup, all good thoughts

1910's - Arrival
1920's - Finding our feet
1930's - Establishment
1940's - Maturity and greatness
1950's - Ongoing development
1960's - Rebellion
1970's - Commercialism arrives
1980's - Money rules, taste falls
1990's - Box office obsessions
2000's - Decline

Is this true?

I'm into Dark Side of the Moon as I write this and the lunatic is in my head
There's someone in my head and it's not me

So I might need help :-)
Rob

All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.


Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:12 am
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I'd really, really like to somehow connect Pink Floyd's Dark Side with the subject of filmmaking but I just can't get past this sentence:

Dark Side of the Moon rules.

And rule it does! Although it comes front-loaded with thousands of laser shows and drug lore one can't deny the primacy that is Dark Side of the Moon: the best record that a listener with a pair of good headphones can hang out with for a near-perfect 45 minutes of deserved respite.

That is, except for 'Money'. Aside from the slinky/nifty bassline I just can't feel it. The rest, though? Hoo boy. Any time, people. Any time. There are those that say The Wall is the creative peak of Floyd but, for my time, I'd rather hear the song cycle that classic rock radio has rightfully played into the minds of listens for 35 years. Animals, too. Man... everybody should go through a Pink Floyd phase. Everyone. Brings me back to sophomore year in the dorms... sweet times. Conan O' Brian, Pink Floyd, Dead Souls... fuck me, if I had a time machine I'd skip out on meeting Jesus just to hang out back on campus for a few hours. Formative years!

And, to get back on topic: formative years.

Robert Holloway wrote:

1910's - Arrival
1920's - Finding our feet
1930's - Establishment
1940's - Maturity and greatness
1950's - Ongoing development
1960's - Rebellion
1970's - Commercialism arrives
1980's - Money rules, taste falls
1990's - Box office obsessions
2000's - Decline



The most accurate out of all of those accurate labels is "Money rules, taste falls" for the 1980s. I'd pitch the 80s as the nadir for the medium: message movies coexisting peacefully with braindead actioners, simple passion/morality plays, and the true birth of Modern Cinematic Condescension. If the 1970's (especially the latter years thereof) gave us the rise of major blockbusters that foretold the death of character, the 1980s ran with it.

The 1990's is home to some of the worst films I've seen (The Lost World: Jurassic Park 2, that horrifying romantic comedy with Meg Ryan and Matthew Broderick where he plays an astronomer and I wished to an unseen force of benign grace my head would explode to get me away from my date for the evening) but, really, it's just more of the same. There was more money available and, with the groundwork laid by Terminator 2, cinema as an extension of the pre-pubescent mindset came of age. The 2000s have given us some great films but, if Hollywood is any indicator, people have gotten quite expert at spending their hard-earned money on escapist masturbatory raping/pillaging.

This is all of a way of saying that the medium peaked in the 1940s and, ever since (excepting the 1960s), we've seen little in the way of thematic growth. Movies have gotten a little deeper (in terms of the depth of personal tragedy mined for a gripping 120 minutes) but they have lost their scope.

The easiest example to cite is Casablanca, otherwise known as The Biggest F*cking Movie Ever Made. Casablanca, although not the greatest film of all time, is one of the few films that can be said to have something to appeal to every single person sitting in the theater. There's romance, comedy, great personal struggle, intrigue... my goodness, such an ambitious work. It handles dozens of themes with ease and, at its worst, can only inspire someone to wish they had made it.

The narrow window that represents modern cinema (Requiem for a Dream is a wholly popular entry) has mistaken the visceral for the truthful. Requiem for a Dream, for all its power and horror, represents a second nadir for filmmaking: the audience as captive students. We won't soon return to the breadth of the 1940s as, it appears, modern audiences wish to confuse themselves for the protagonists or thank the powers that be that they haven't endured much of the same. The literary value of film seems to be slipping away and what we're left with is a craving to be transfixed, not transported.

I've said it before and I'll say it once again: My Winnipeg. If you haven't seen the film I strongly urge you to do so just as soon as you're able. Modern cinema (including much of the much-heralded indie cinema) needs a strong antidote and My Winnipeg, my vote for the best film of the past 5 years, represents just that. It's real transportation and shows just how far the mind can be engaged by a film.

This post has been a jumble, I know, but I'd like to close up with another strong nod toward the 40's. The lessons therein (how to build interesting characters, how to frame interesting shots, how to find the intersection between people and their environs) have been permanent and, unfortunately, perverted into the modern cinematic clause of endless telling with a minimum of showing. The best of the 40s represents the meeting place of literature and filmmaking, how themes could be highlighted with simplicity and respect for the audience. Casablanca, people. If you don't want to look there I recommend any and all of the following:

Foreign Correspondent (Alfred Hitchcock)
The Great Dictator (Chaplin)
The Letter (William Wyler)
The Philadelphia Story (Cukor)
Rebecca (Hitchcock)
The Thief of Bagdad (Berger, Powell, and Whelan)
Citizen Kane (Welles)
Devil and Daniel Webster (Dieterle)
Dumbo (Disney)
The Lady Eve (Sturges)
The Little Foxes (Wyler)
The Maltese Falcon (Huston)
Sergeant York (Hawks)
Sullivan's Travels (Sturges)
Suspicion (Hitchcock)
Bambi (Disney)
Cat People (Tourneur)
King's Row (Sam Wood)
The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)
Mrs. Miniver (Wyler)
Now, Voyager (Rapper)
The Pride of the Yankees (Sam Wood)
To Be or Not To Be (Lubitsch)
Cabin in the Sky (Minnelli)
Heaven Can Wait (Lubitsch)
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Powell)
The Ox-Bow Incident (Wellman)
Arsenic and Old Lace (Capra)
Double Indemnity (Wilder)
Gaslight (Cukor)
Laura (Preminger)
Lifeboat (Hitchcock)
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (Sturges)
National Velvet (Brown)
To Have and Have Not (Hawks)
The Uninvited (Allen)
And Then There Were None (Clair)
The Bells of St. Mary's (McCarey)
Detour (Ulmer) [Note: if you ever get a quiz on me, THIS is my favorite film of the 1940s)
The Lost Weekend (Wilder)
Mildred Pierce (Curtiz)
The Southerner (Renoir)
Spellbound (Hitchcock)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (Kazan)
A Walk in the Sun (Milestone)
The Best Years of Our Lives (Wyler)
The Big Sleep (Hawks)
Brief Encounter (Lean) [Note: this movie RULES. I'll buy you a copy if you can't find one.]
Duel in the Sun (Vidor)
Henry V (Olivier)
The Killers (Siodmak)
Notorious (Hitchcock)
The Spiral Staircase (Siodmak)
Black Narcissus (Powell)
Dark Passage (Daves)
Gentleman's Agreement (Kazan)
Out of the Past (Tourneur)
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (McLeod)
Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
Easter Parade (Walters)
Hamlet (Olivier)
Key Largo (Huston)
The Lady from Shanghai (Welles)
Letter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls)
The Naked City (Dassin)
Red River (Hawks) [Note: the last movie shown in The Last Picture Show. Of course.]
The Search (Zinnemann)
Sorry, Wrong Number (Litvak)
The Treasure of the Sierre Madre (Huston)
Unfaithfully Yours (Sturges)
Adam's Rib (Cukor)
All the King's Men (Rossen)
Battleground (Wellman)
Champion (Robson)
Gun Crazy (Lewis)
The Heiress (Wyler)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (Hamer)
A Letter to Three Wives (Mankiewicz)
The Stratton Story (Sam Wood)
The Third Man (Reed)
Twelve O' Clock High (King)
White Heat (Walsh)

That's 82 films that you can't go wrong with. 82! I say take a break from Phone Booth on FX and watch any one of those 82 instead.


Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:21 am
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Wow Major,

That was quite the post.

Let me start by also shouting from the rooftops about My Winnipeg. By the way i saw a film a few months ago that had a remarkable similarity in terms of tone and mood. It should have been called My Liverpool. As it was it's called "Of Time and the City". Directed by the great Terence Davies it's a love letter to the city of his youth. I was thrilled to here critic Michael Philips mention it as one of his films of the year so far as well.

The whole reason for the great movies section is to open people's eyes to the greatness that is all around them. It just does not have to be re runs of crap on the TV.

It's funny, but when Tuco and did battle decade it was the 80's and 40's that started us off.
Rob


Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:19 am
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Of course, all decades have many great films and many, many bad films and there's no way you can sum up a ten year span in film with a single phrase. I personally prefer the 80's because maybe I saw those movies at the right time in my life or something, I dunno. I definitely don't think it's when "money rules, taste fails." I think that's silly. I can easily come up with a lot more than 82 movies from that decade that I love and even more that are very critically well-regarded, even if I'm not crazy about them or haven't seen them yet


Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:41 am
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Kyle wrote:
Of course, all decades have many great films and many, many bad films and there's no way you can sum up a ten year span in film with a single phrase. I personally prefer the 80's because maybe I saw those movies at the right time in my life or something, I dunno. I definitely don't think it's when "money rules, taste fails." I think that's silly. I can easily come up with a lot more than 82 movies from that decade that I love and even more that are very critically well-regarded, even if I'm not crazy about them or haven't seen them yet


Kyle,

I really do believe that our age and when we saw a film impacts our view of it and the period.
Best decade is a subjective assessment and an unwinnable argument. An yes, you're right that each decade has good and bad movies and that it's hard to accurately sum up a decade in four or five words.

However, it's interesting to filter the top 1000 list to the top 200 and find that only 13 movies make the cut. That's well below what I would have expected.

Shining, The
Raging Bull
Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Blade Runner
E.T The Extra Terrestrial
Fanny And Alexander
Once Upon A Time In America
Ran
Brazil
Shoah
Blue Velvet
Decalogue
Close Up

More telling is that only three make the top 100.

i have many favorite movies from that decade but do not think of it a great era for cinema.

Rob


Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:27 am
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Well, I'm going to waste a little time and come up with a huge list of 80's films, but I still don't get why you consider the TSPDT list to be this comprehensive, sanctimonious thing. Ultimately, it's all about perception and politics and sometimes critics get things wrong, too. Take a film like Vertigo, which was critically under-appreciated in its time and is, in my estimation, over-appreciated today. But once a movie like that gains some critical forward momentum and becomes this supposedly indisputable masterwork, it all comes back to perception and now Vertigo has a lofty legacy as well as a lofty spot on a lot of these sorts of lists which I personally don't think it deserves. Does anybody really feel flippin Vertigo is objectively the second greatest film ever made?


Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:56 am
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Kyle wrote:
Well, I'm going to waste a little time and come up with a huge list of 80's films, but I still don't get why you consider the TSPDT list to be this comprehensive, sanctimonious thing. Ultimately, it's all about perception and politics and sometimes critics get things wrong, too. Take a film like Vertigo, which was critically under-appreciated in its time and is, in my estimation, over-appreciated today. But once a movie like that gains some critical forward momentum and becomes this supposedly indisputable masterwork, it all comes back to perception and now Vertigo has a lofty legacy as well as a lofty spot on a lot of these sorts of lists which I personally don't think it deserves. Does anybody really feel flippin Vertigo is objectively the second greatest film ever made?



Hi Kyle
TSPDT like any other list is simply that - a list. The difference here is the amount of contributors from the world of film and criticism. Unless you believe that all critics and people in film are wrong? TSPDT is simply a place for inspiration. My experience is that the list is as good as I've seen and I'm open to find better.

As for Vertigo. I completely agree with you that it's not the second best film ever made. In my opinion, it's the best :lol:

Rob


Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:18 pm
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Okay, so just for yuks, the following is a gigantic list of movies from the 1980's that I think most people would deem anywhere from pretty good to transcendent. I'll also give personal grades for the ones I've seen and a N/A for the ones I haven't


Blade Runner, A-
The Mosquito Coast, A
Raiders of the Lost Ark, A
The Empire Strikes Back, A-
Local Hero, N/A
RAN, A-
After Hours, A
Airplane!, C+
Modern Romance, A
Do the Right Thing, A
Hannah and Her Sisters, N/A
Crimes and Misdemeanors, A
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, A-
Something Wild, A
Married to the Mob, A
Stop Making Sense, A
ET, B-
Fanny and Alexander, N/A
Glory, B+
A Christmas Story, B
Vampire's Kiss, A
Brazil, A
Repo Man, B+
Stranger Than Paradise, A
Paris, Texas, A
Gremlins, B+
Outland, B
First Name: Carmen, A
The Thing, A-
A Nightmare on Elm Street, B
The Brother From Another Planet, A-
The Killing Fields, N/A
Ordinary People, B
Coal Miner's Daughter, N/A
Chariots of Fire , N/A
Atlantic City, B+
On Golden Pond, N/A
The Big Chill, D
The Dresser, N/A
Tender Mercies, N/A
Passage to India, N/A
Places in the Heart, N/A
A Soldier's Story, N/A
Out of Africa, B
Children of a Lesser God, A-
The Mission, B+
A Room with a View, N/A
The Last Emperor, N/A
Fatal Attraction, C-
Hope and Glory, N/A
Moonstruck, A-
The Accidental Tourist, A-
Peggy Sue Got Married, B+
Dangerous Liaisons, N/A
Mississippi Burning, N/A
Working Girl, N/A
Driving Miss Daisy, D-
Born on the Fourth of July, B
Dead Poets Society, D+
Field of Dreams, B
My Left Foot, N/A
Aliens, B+
The Right Stuff, N/A
Amadeus, N/A
Time Bandits, A-
The Princess Bride, A
Hoosiers, C
Eight Men Out, B+
The Purple Rose of Cairo, B
Grave of the Fireflies, N/A
Castle in the Sky, N/A
Silverado, B
A Fish Called Wanda, A-
Ghandi, B
Raging Bull, A-
The King of Comedy, A-
Das Boot, N/A
Raising Arizona, A
This Is Spinal Tap, A-
Midnight Run, A
Broadcast News, A
Fletch, A-
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, B+
Diner, B
Arthur, N/A
Roxanne, B-
Night Shift, A-
All of Me, N/A
The Naked Gun: From the Files of 'Police Squad'!, B+
The Witches of Eastwick, B+
Planes,Trains & Automobiles, B
How To Get Ahead in Advertising, B
Trading Places, B
Clue, A-
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, A
The Sure Thing, B
Lost in America, A-
Monty Python's Meaning of Life, B
When Harry Met Sally..., B
The War of the Roses, A
48 Hrs., B
Beverly Hills Cop, B
Tin Men, N/A
Ghostbusters, B+
Three Amigos, B-
Withnail & I, A
Fast Times at Ridgemont High, B
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, A-
Tess, N/A
The Stunt Man, A-
The Elephant Man, D+
The Shining, A-
The Blues Brothers, A-
Melvin & Howard, A-
Pennies From Heaven, N/A
Blow Out, A-
Reds, N/A
The Long Good Friday, A-
They All Laughed, N/A
The Untouchables, B+
The Thing, B+
Missing, N/A
Honkytonk Man, N/A
Tootsie, A-
The Verdict, N/A
Fitzcarraldo, B+
Conan the Barbarian, B+
The World According To Garp, B-
Eating Raoul, A-
My Favorite Year, N/A
Silkwood, N/A
Terms of Endearment, C+
Once Upon A Time in America, A-
The Killing Fields, N/A
Blood Simple, B+
Birdy, N/A
All of Me, N/A
The Pope of Greenwich Village, N/A
The Terminator, B+
Romancing the Stone, B
Starman, B
To Live & Die in L.A., B
Witness, B-
Prizzi's Honor, B+
Pale Rider, N/A
The Falcon & the Snowman, B+
Platoon, B+
Stand by Me, B+
The Color of Money, C+
Salvador, A-
Manhunter, A-
Blue Velvet, B-
Big Trouble in Little China, B
Full Metal Jacket, B+
Angel Heart, B+
Empire of the Sun, A-
RoboCop, N/A
Near Dark, N/A
Barfly, N/A
The Hidden, N/A
The Last Temptation of Christ, A-
Bird, B
Rain Man, B-
Clean & Sober, N/A
Die Hard, B+
The Thin Blue Line, A-
Akira, N/A
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, A-
Bull Durham, C
The Beast, B+
Roger & Me, B+
sex,lies & videotape, B
Drugstore Cowboy, B+
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, B+
Henry V, N/A
Say Anything, A-
Heathers, B+
Breaking In, N/A
Buckaroo Banzai, A-
Black Rain (Shohei Imamura), A-
Tetsuo: the Iron Man, B
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover, A
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, B
A Better Tomorrow, A-
The Killer, A-
Mystery Train, A-
Dead Ringers, B+
Tapeheads, B+
Alice, A-
I'm Gonna Git You Sucka, B
School Daze, B+
Scrooged, B
Throw Momma From the Train, A
Matewan, A-
Evil Dead 2, B+
City on Fire, B
A City of Sadness, B+
The Fly, A-
Laputa, B
Little Shop of Horrors, B+
Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, B
Tampopo, B+
A Zed & Two Noughts, A-
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, A-
Beetlejuice, A-
Batman, B+
Police Story, B
Kiss of the Spider Woman, N/A
Zu: Warriors of the Magic Mountain, B+
Videodrome, B+
Scarface, B-
The Draughtsman's Contract, A-
Cat People, B
Bad Timing, A-
Mona Lisa, A
My Favorite Year, N/A
My Dinner With Andre, A
An American Werewolf in London, A
Scanners, C+
Popeye, A-
Return of the Jedi, B+

And I probably missed a bunch


Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:01 pm
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Hmmm...guess I'll play this rating game..and I'll use your stupid grading system as well Kyle.

Blade Runner, A
The Mosquito Coast, N/A
Raiders of the Lost Ark, B
The Empire Strikes Back, A+
Local Hero, N/A
RAN, D
After Hours, N/A
Airplane!, A
Modern Romance, N/A
Do the Right Thing, A+
Hannah and Her Sisters, A
Crimes and Misdemeanors, N/A
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, N/A
Something Wild, N/A
Married to the Mob, N/A
Stop Making Sense, B+
ET, N/A
Fanny and Alexander, N/A
Glory, B(need to rewatch it)
A Christmas Story, B+
Vampire's Kiss, N/A
Brazil, A
Repo Man, B
Stranger Than Paradise, N/A
Paris, Texas, N/A
Gremlins, B
Outland, N/A
First Name: Carmen, N/A
The Thing, A+
A Nightmare on Elm Street, A
The Brother From Another Planet, N/A
The Killing Fields, N/A
Ordinary People, B-
Coal Miner's Daughter, N/A
Chariots of Fire , N/A
Atlantic City, N/A
On Golden Pond, N/A
The Big Chill, N/A
The Dresser, N/A
Tender Mercies, N/A
Passage to India, N/A
Places in the Heart, N/A
A Soldier's Story, N/A
Out of Africa, N/A
Children of a Lesser God, N/A
The Mission, N/A
A Room with a View, N/A
The Last Emperor, N/A
Fatal Attraction, D
Hope and Glory, N/A
Moonstruck, N/A
The Accidental Tourist, N/A
Peggy Sue Got Married, N/A
Dangerous Liaisons, N/A
Mississippi Burning, B+
Working Girl, B
Driving Miss Daisy, A-
Born on the Fourth of July, N/A
Dead Poets Society, F
Field of Dreams, A
My Left Foot, N/A
Aliens, A+
The Right Stuff, N/A
Amadeus, N/A
Time Bandits, N/A
The Princess Bride, A
Hoosiers, A-
Eight Men Out, N/A
The Purple Rose of Cairo, N/A
Grave of the Fireflies, A
Castle in the Sky, A
Silverado, C+
A Fish Called Wanda, A-
Ghandi, B+(need to rewatch)
Raging Bull, A-
The King of Comedy, B
Das Boot, N/A
Raising Arizona, A-
This Is Spinal Tap, B
Midnight Run, B+
Broadcast News, B+
Fletch, C+
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, N/A
Diner, N/A
Arthur, C-
Roxanne, N/A
Night Shift, N/A
All of Me, N/A
The Naked Gun: From the Files of 'Police Squad'!, A
The Witches of Eastwick, N/A
Planes,Trains & Automobiles, N/A
How To Get Ahead in Advertising, N/A
Trading Places, B
Clue, B-(need to rewatch)
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, N/A
The Sure Thing, N/A
Lost in America, N/A
Monty Python's Meaning of Life, C+
When Harry Met Sally..., A-
The War of the Roses, B
48 Hrs., B
Beverly Hills Cop, C
Tin Men, N/A
Ghostbusters, A-
Three Amigos, B-
Withnail & I, F
Fast Times at Ridgemont High, N/A
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, B
Tess, N/A
The Stunt Man, N/A
The Elephant Man, B+
The Shining, A
The Blues Brothers, B
Melvin & Howard, N/A
Pennies From Heaven, N/A
Blow Out, N/A
Reds, C+
The Long Good Friday, N/A
They All Laughed, N/A
The Untouchables, B+
The Thing, A+
Missing, N/A
Honkytonk Man, N/A
Tootsie, A-
The Verdict, N/A
Fitzcarraldo, N/A
Conan the Barbarian, B
The World According To Garp, N/A
Eating Raoul, F
My Favorite Year, N/A
Silkwood, N/A
Terms of Endearment, B-
Once Upon A Time in America, N/A
The Killing Fields, N/A
Blood Simple, B-
Birdy, N/A
All of Me, N/A
The Pope of Greenwich Village, N/A
The Terminator, A+
Romancing the Stone, N/A
Starman, N/A
To Live & Die in L.A., B
Witness, B
Prizzi's Honor, N/A
Pale Rider, N/A
The Falcon & the Snowman, N/A
Platoon, A
Stand by Me, B+
The Color of Money, N/A
Salvador, N/A
Manhunter, B+
Blue Velvet, D+
Big Trouble in Little China, B
Full Metal Jacket, C+
Angel Heart, N/A
Empire of the Sun, N/A
RoboCop, A-
Near Dark, A-
Barfly, N/A
The Hidden, N/A
The Last Temptation of Christ, A-
Bird, N/A
Rain Man, B+
Clean & Sober, B
Die Hard, A+
The Thin Blue Line, N/A
Akira, A
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, A
Bull Durham, B
The Beast, N/A
Roger & Me, N/A
sex,lies & videotape, B
Drugstore Cowboy, N/A
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, N/A
Henry V, N/A
Say Anything, N/A
Heathers, B+
Breaking In, N/A
Buckaroo Banzai, B-
Black Rain (Shohei Imamura), N/A
Tetsuo: the Iron Man, N/A
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover, A
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, A
A Better Tomorrow, B+
The Killer, N/A
Mystery Train, N/A
Dead Ringers, N/A
Tapeheads, N/A
Alice, N/A
I'm Gonna Git You Sucka, N/A
School Daze, N/A
Scrooged, N/A
Throw Momma From the Train, N/A
Matewan, N/A
Evil Dead 2, B+
City on Fire, N/A
A City of Sadness, N/A
The Fly, A-
Laputa, N/A
Little Shop of Horrors, B+
Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, C+
Tampopo, N/A
A Zed & Two Noughts, N/A
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, B
Beetlejuice, B+
Batman, A
Police Story, B+
Kiss of the Spider Woman, N/A
Zu: Warriors of the Magic Mountain, N/A
Videodrome, A-
Scarface, C-
The Draughtsman's Contract, N/A
Cat People, N/A
Bad Timing, N/A
Mona Lisa, N/A
My Favorite Year, N/A
My Dinner With Andre, N/A
An American Werewolf in London, B+
Scanners, B-
Popeye, N/A
Return of the Jedi, A-


Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:51 pm
Post Re: Best Decade...
I have tried to bring some data to this discussion by analyzing the top 1000 movies

Starting with the 1940's
114 titles in the top 1000
13 in the top 100
Average ranking of 439th

Now on to the 1950's
159 titles in the top 1000
28 in the top 100
Average ranking of 441st

So the fifties has more entries but the quality level is identical

The sixties and seventies have slightly higher amounts in the top 1000 but the quality level is lower with average ranking in the 480's

Now the eighties
Well represented in the top 1000 with 123 movies
Very poorly represented in the top 100 with only 3
The quality level slips to an average ranking of 568

So, based on 1800 critics and people in the industry, the fifties is the strongest decade and the eighties are clearly inferior.

There's no absolute answer here. I don't know what to do with a personal list because it's a single subjective data point.

Rob


Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:41 pm
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Paddy's list reads like the lyrics for Here Comes the Hotstepper

Nah, na na na nah, na na na nah, na na nah, na na nah, na na na nah


Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:46 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Paddy's list reads like the lyrics for Here Comes the Hotstepper

Nah, na na na nah, na na na nah, na na nah, na na nah, na na na nah


Or Wilson Pickett's Land of 1000 Dances


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Post Re: Best Decade...
Robert Holloway wrote:
I have tried to bring some data to this discussion by analyzing the top 1000 movies

Starting with the 1940's
114 titles in the top 1000
13 in the top 100
Average ranking of 439th

Now on to the 1950's
159 titles in the top 1000
28 in the top 100
Average ranking of 441st

So the fifties has more entries but the quality level is identical

The sixties and seventies have slightly higher amounts in the top 1000 but the quality level is lower with average ranking in the 480's

Now the eighties
Well represented in the top 1000 with 123 movies
Very poorly represented in the top 100 with only 3
The quality level slips to an average ranking of 568

So, based on 1800 critics and people in the industry, the fifties is the strongest decade and the eighties are clearly inferior.

There's no absolute answer here. I don't know what to do with a personal list because it's a single subjective data point.

Rob


In my research, I made sure to use a large n, around 400. So, combining my findings with yours, the 50s and the 40s had about the same quality of movie, but the 50s had more of them.

That's right, I was in statistics. And I took the AP test and got a 4. So there.


Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:22 pm
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Patrick's list guarantees him a place in my "10 people that can take a vital organ when I die" list for the following entry:

Quote:
Dead Poets Society, F


That's the best review I've yet to read for Dead Poets Society. Seriously. I really, really hated it.

Anyhow, the list of 80s films isn't persuasive enough to force a recant of my statements regardings the 40s but it's nice to see that, when I imagined the list of that particular decade, I'd left off over a dozen great films.

I prefer the 40s, others the 80s. What can you do? Hmmm? What are you gonna do about it? Wanna fight? Oh yeah? Make the first move, motherf*cker. Make it! That's right... yeah, you run away. No... wait... don't run back... what are you doing?! Ah! My I need that... to... breathe.....................

I saw In The Loop tonight. It was great! That's from the 40s, right? In The Loop?

So a man walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender says "We don't allow parrots in this bar, sir." The man shrugs casually, clears his throat, and says


Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:26 am
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majoraphasia wrote:
Patrick's list guarantees him a place in my "10 people that can take a vital organ when I die" list for the following entry:

Quote:
Dead Poets Society, F


That's the best review I've yet to read for Dead Poets Society. Seriously. I really, really hated it.

Anyhow, the list of 80s films isn't persuasive enough to force a recant of my statements regardings the 40s but it's nice to see that, when I imagined the list of that particular decade, I'd left off over a dozen great films.

I prefer the 40s, others the 80s. What can you do? Hmmm? What are you gonna do about it? Wanna fight? Oh yeah? Make the first move, motherf*cker. Make it! That's right... yeah, you run away. No... wait... don't run back... what are you doing?! Ah! My I need that... to... breathe.....................

I saw In The Loop tonight. It was great! That's from the 40s, right? In The Loop?

So a man walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender says "We don't allow parrots in this bar, sir." The man shrugs casually, clears his throat, and says

Dead Poets Society, ick!!!! :evil: Mere words cannot describe how much I HATED that overrated piece of garbage film!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:


Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:05 pm
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Ebert wrote a nice little bit in his blog about the nature of movie lists.

My favorite '80s movie is probably Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters, though that will change depending on what day it is. Overall, I can think of a lot of great movies from that decade, but the problem is that most of them don't stand up to the greatest movies of several other decades. I blame the blockbuster mentality that blossomed with Star Wars for the slow decline of cinema since then, among other cultural factors.


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I certainly can't argue for the 80's, which I agree is probably the most-lacking decade in film. I would like to make a case for the 90's though, with the 70's a close second. I appreciate the great films of the 40's, but most of my favorite movies seem to be from the 90's (which raises the issue of how one can judge a movie as "great" instead of just as a "favorite"). Anyways, a lot of my favorite directors made some great movies (with the possible exception of Kubrick, who only made one in the 90's):

Spielberg - Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, Saving Private Ryan
Scorsese - Goodfellas, The Age of Innocence, Casino
Tarantino - Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown
Coen bros. - Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink, Fargo, The Big Lebowski
PT Anderson - Boogie Nights, Magnolia
Kubrick - Eyes Wide Shut

Some more of my favorites, in no order:
LA Confidential, The Usual Suspects, Quiz Show, The Sweet Hereafter, American Beauty, Fight Club, American History X, Glengarry Glen Ross, The Thin Red Line, Bottle Rocket, Silence of the Lambs, Shawshank Redemption, Groundhog Day, The Matrix, Se7en, Unforgiven, Forrest Gump

Even animated movies were getting pretty good:
Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Toy Story (which changed everything)

Another interesting topic might be what the best year was for movies? I'd have to think about that one.


I would add to that list David Fincher for Fight Club and Se7en. Also: Malcolm X and Clockers. JFK, Terminator 2 and a whole bunch of others.

So the 90s might not necessarily be the best decade. But they were probably my favorite tied with the 70s which gave us Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver, Jaws, Network, The Last Detail and a ton of other greats. Sure there was also a ton of crap in both decades (the Airport movies in the 70s, in the 90s big budget nothings like Last Action Hero and Waterworld). But the good stuff made up for them.

The 80s, while they paled in comparison to what came before and after, weren't quite a disaster. A while back I compiled a top 16 list of what I considered to be the best films of that decade. The list contained:

6 excellent blockbusters (Die Hard, Terminator, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Back To The Future, Aliens)
2 final masterpieces by acclaimed foreign directors (Ran and Fanny and Alexander)
An intelligently made mainstream comedy (Ghostbusters)
An overlooked screwball comedy (Clue)
A confrontational and emotionally effective treatise on race relations in America (Do The Right Thing)
A Martin Scorsese masterpiece (Raging Bull)
A searing Vietnam war drama (Platoon)
An auteurist sci-fi vehicle (Blade Runner)
An adult dark thriller (Blue Velvet)
An independent neo noir (Blood Simple)

So while the 80s may have been a notch below the 90s and 70s, they still produced their share of good films. Give me any of the blockbusters from the above list over the crap that passes for blockbusters nowadays.

For best all-around decade, I believe a case can be made for both the 40s and the 50s.

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Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:14 am
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I would agree that the 90's was probably the last truly great decade for filmmaking but it's only in retrospect that I realize this (and it's in part because I didn't get the opportunity to see a lot of those films, being very young at the time). I don't wanna rehash too much of what's already been said but it seemed as though the 90's was the time when we saw an upsurge in the number of promising young directors (like Tarantino, Paul Thomas Anderson, etc.) but at the same time, we witnessed a ton of already established filmmakers truly come into their own or regain their lost mojo and oftentimes steer their careers in a new direction (for example, this was the decade when Spielberg was able to finally reach his fully potential as a serious, dramatic filmmaker and move away from being just another blockbuster director; others such as Jonathon Demme and Curtis Hanson where able to finally live down their reputations as exploitation directors and gain new clout and respect). One could argue that the seeds for this revolution were planted towards the end of the 80's, particularly as a result of Steven Soderbergh and his debut film sex, lies and videotape that singlehandedly launched a new wave of independent filmmaking, but this renaissance truly came to fruition during the 90's. As others have noted, this renewed sense of purpose and energy extended even to Disney and their animated films during the 90's. On the other hand, this was probably the decade when big budget summer blockbusters became all about special effects and action and less about telling good stories. There were exceptions of course (particularly from Spielberg and James Cameron) but during the 90's, summer movies got progressively dumber and dumber. In fact, one could easily argue that the late 70's and 80's were the height of summer blockbusters as far as the ability to not only impress audiences with visual effects but to provide stories and characters worthy of those effects; this past decade saw a resurgence of that philosophy (albeit to a limited degree) particularly in the realm of superhero films. In fact an argument could be made that this sub-genre reached a pinnacle during the 00's. On the balance though, I'm gonna maintain that the 90's were the best overall recent decade in movies. There are other things I could mention here (such as the resurgence in foreign films) and other arguments I could make but unfortunately, I have other matters to attend to at the moment. Toodles!


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