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She's ill-suited to the role, but it's more to her presence so it's not like she is actively terrible or anything. And even though I like all of Brosnan's Bond films (except the last), by that point the series had turned into a big-budget action cartoon anyway (and I mean this in a good way), so it's not like an improbable scientist named Christmas Jones would stand out too much in the movie. Also, I don't mean "ill-suited" because she's pretty, but because she just didn't seem believable. Sophi Marceau in the same movie is way prettier, for me personally, but I wouldn't pause one bit if she was in the role of a scientist.

In short, though: I don't mind Denise Richards, and she gets a lifetime movie pass with me (if I happen to come across one of the roles) for Wild Things :oops:


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The only good scene in Wild Things, IMO, is the threesome scene. Otherwise, I thought it was pretty bad.


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The only good scene in Wild Things, IMO, is the threesome scene. Otherwise, I thought it was pretty bad.

I thought it was a pretty good movie with fun performances and an interesting story, the DTV sequels were pretty good as well.


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Regardless of where James Bond aficionados rank him in the pantheon of 007's, Pierce Brosnan is a tough personal critic.

In an interview with Britain's The Telegraph, the 60-year-old actor revealed he has “no desire” to watch himself as James Bond, saying his performance was “never good enough.”

Discussing his four films as 007 – Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002) – Brosnan said, “I felt I was caught in a time warp between Roger [Moore] and Sean [Connery].

“It was a very hard one to grasp the meaning of, for me. The violence was never real; the brute force of the man was never palpable. It was quite tame, and the characterization didn’t have a follow-through of reality -- it was surface. But then that might have had to do with my own insecurities in playing him as well.”

Asked if he ever rewatches his Bond films, he replied, “I have no desire to watch myself as James Bond. Because it’s just never good enough -- it’s a horrible feeling.”


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Sorry to hear that he feels that way, the Brosnan films are some of my personal favorites.

On a sidenote, i'm looking forward to seeing Brosnan's next spy film-November Man.


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Regardless of where James Bond aficionados rank him in the pantheon of 007's, Pierce Brosnan is a tough personal critic.

In an interview with Britain's The Telegraph, the 60-year-old actor revealed he has “no desire” to watch himself as James Bond, saying his performance was “never good enough.”

Discussing his four films as 007 – Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002) – Brosnan said, “I felt I was caught in a time warp between Roger [Moore] and Sean [Connery].

“It was a very hard one to grasp the meaning of, for me. The violence was never real; the brute force of the man was never palpable. It was quite tame, and the characterization didn’t have a follow-through of reality -- it was surface. But then that might have had to do with my own insecurities in playing him as well.”

Asked if he ever rewatches his Bond films, he replied, “I have no desire to watch myself as James Bond. Because it’s just never good enough -- it’s a horrible feeling.”


It's interesting how a brief edited quote from the Irish Telegraph is getting blown out of proportion in the headlines of UK newspapers. At no point does Brosnan state that he didn't like the Bond movies of his tenure, he's just revealing that he was insecure about how to approach the character and that he doesn't like to watch himself on the screen playing the role. Many actors claim that they can't stand watching themselves on screen in any movie.

Personally, I think he was fine as James Bond.

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I also never felt he nailed the character, but then I don't think any of the scripts were particularly good. Goldeneye has its moments but is uneven, Tomorrow Never Dies is fun but certainly not great, TWINE is in my Bottom 5 bonds and Die Another Day is too busy homaging every film to tell a coherent story in its own right. He was never given a From Russia with Love or Casino Royale to sink his dramatic teeth into, nor a Goldfinger or The Spy Who Loved Me to show off how much fun Bond can be. So while I agree with him to a certain degree, he shouldn't beat himself up.

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Not everybody will define their time in the franchise in the way they'd like--in other words, not everybody will get their Goldfinger, their Wrath of Khan, their Dark Knight Returns, or whatever. Sometimes they're just shepherding the stories through their continued existence until it's time for someone else to do it. Statistically, that responsibility will fall to somebody in a series with potentially endless installments.

Brosnan's flicks might not contain any undisputed classics, but a couple of them are pretty good. Good enough to keep James Bond going in a time when the survival of the series was in question. Maybe he wasn't brilliant, but he was respectable.

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Brosnan's flicks might not contain any undisputed classics, but a couple of them are pretty good. Good enough to keep James Bond going in a time when the survival of the series was in question. Maybe he wasn't brilliant, but he was respectable.


Nicely said. He's not Lincoln or FDR or Washington, but he's a good Grover Cleveland

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Brosnan was the first Bond since Connery and Lazenby ("Diamonds Are Forever" notwithstanding) in which the filmmakers managed to strike the right balance between seriousness and silliness. The trouble is, after re-announcing itself with "GoldenEye," it was immediately back to going through the motions ("Die Another Day" even started veering the series back into Moore territory). Of course, the grittiness of the Craig outings have just about made them all relics. :|


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Brosnan was the first Bond since Connery and Lazenby ("Diamonds Are Forever" notwithstanding) in which the filmmakers managed to strike the right balance between seriousness and silliness. The trouble is, after re-announcing itself with "GoldenEye," it was immediately back to going through the motions ("Die Another Day" even started veering the series back into Moore territory). Of course, the grittiness of the Craig outings have just about made them all relics. :|

Eh, I personally prefer the Brosnan films over the Craig ones.


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Ehhhh, I prefer the Craig films over the Brosnan ones.

The Brosnan films kept the franchise alive and I suppose we owe it that. But they were on their last legs. I watched one a few weeks ago, and it has aged poorly. They're like the Moore films but without the knowing camp. Bond plot generator 1000 was blowing smoke by this point.

And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.

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Ehhhh, I prefer the Craig films over the Brosnan ones.

The Brosnan films kept the franchise alive and I suppose we owe it that. But they were on their last legs. I watched one a few weeks ago, and it has aged poorly. They're like the Moore films but without the knowing camp. Bond plot generator 1000 was blowing smoke by this point.

And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.

I liked Richards and prefered her over the girls from the Moore era, particularly Olivia D'Abo, who was the very definition of "wooden".


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And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.

I've been doing some thinking on the subject lately. (Not lads' mags--I'm always thinking about those.) I think it's very hard to judge an actor's mettle with a film like this. I don't think Denise Richards gave a bad performance, at least not bad enough to remark about. Whether or not she's credible as a realistic nuclear scientist is beside the point*. She's perfectly credible as a nuclear scientist in the pre-Craig James Bond universe. Furthermore, anybody's performance is going to come off as ridiculous if the actor is required to say and do ridiculous things.

Perhaps Ms. Richards is indeed a poor actor, but this is not a poor performance. It is not a case of an actor trying and failing to rise to the challenge of the material. It's a case of an actor gamely trying to make something of material that is itself poor and offers no favors to anybody... except perhaps the great Desmond Llewellyn.


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I liked Richards and prefered her over the girls from the Moore era, particularly Olivia D'Abo, who was the very definition of "wooden".

I believe you mean her cousin Maryam (and she was a Dalton girl, BTW). Olivia was on The Wonder Years. ;)


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
Vexer wrote:
I liked Richards and prefered her over the girls from the Moore era, particularly Olivia D'Abo, who was the very definition of "wooden".

I believe you mean her cousin Maryam. Olivia was on The Wonder Years. ;)

Right my mistake.

I think Richards is a pretty decent actress in general, I was rather impressed with her in Drop Dead Gorgeous.


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NotHughGrant wrote:
Ehhhh, I prefer the Craig films over the Brosnan ones.

The Brosnan films kept the franchise alive and I suppose we owe it that. But they were on their last legs. I watched one a few weeks ago, and it has aged poorly. They're like the Moore films but without the knowing camp. Bond plot generator 1000 was blowing smoke by this point.

And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.


Basic problem with the Brosnan Bonds is that they seemed to be following the crowd, more interested in out-doing the likes of True Lies, the Die Hard movies, the Lethal Weapon quartet and in the case of Die Another Day, the Michael Bay explosionfests.

Goldeneye was pretty good at the time. But it hasn't held up that well. Tomorrow Never Dies is the one I would consider to be a keeper. But I haven't felt the urge to watch it in a long time. The World Is Not Enough has its good points. But it's overlong. And Die Another Day is an overblown noisefest.

Of the Craig films, I still find Casino Royale to be the best.

I also preferred Dalton over both Moore and Brosnan. The Living Daylights had its flaws (weak villains, dated aspects by today's standard) But it was a fresh reboot for the character after the descent into cartoon territory that the Moore era had become. And License To Kill is easily in any Bond top 10 list, in the top 5 or close to it.

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The Dalton flicks, particularly Licence To Kill, come tantalizingly close to what the literary Bond offered, but there's such a jarring disconnect between their general tone and the often Moore-esque silliness of the plotting. It's almost as though they tried to leap too far forward, too quickly. I consider them both well-intentioned mistakes, though they are entertaining.

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And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.

I've been doing some thinking on the subject lately. (Not lads' mags--I'm always thinking about those.) I think it's very hard to judge an actor's mettle with a film like this. I don't think Denise Richards gave a bad performance, at least not bad enough to remark about. Whether or not she's credible as a realistic nuclear scientist is beside the point*. She's perfectly credible as a nuclear scientist in the pre-Craig James Bond universe. Furthermore, anybody's performance is going to come off as ridiculous if the actor is required to say and do ridiculous things.

Perhaps Ms. Richards is indeed a poor actor, but this is not a poor performance. It is not a case of an actor trying and failing to rise to the challenge of the material. It's a case of an actor gamely trying to make something of material that is itself poor and offers no favors to anybody... except perhaps the great Desmond Llewellyn.


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You might be right, Ken. But hindsight has screwed Richards, perhaps through little fault of her own, but they're the risks for well paid for. She's a perceived poor actress, playing a shallow role in a weak era of Bond films. And she married Charlie Sheen

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And the Bond girl discussion up above is interesting. Craig-era has given us 1 good actress and 2 lesser known ones. Whilst Denise Richards was just a lads' mag flavour of the month girl.

I've been doing some thinking on the subject lately. (Not lads' mags--I'm always thinking about those.) I think it's very hard to judge an actor's mettle with a film like this. I don't think Denise Richards gave a bad performance, at least not bad enough to remark about. Whether or not she's credible as a realistic nuclear scientist is beside the point*. She's perfectly credible as a nuclear scientist in the pre-Craig James Bond universe. Furthermore, anybody's performance is going to come off as ridiculous if the actor is required to say and do ridiculous things.

Perhaps Ms. Richards is indeed a poor actor, but this is not a poor performance. It is not a case of an actor trying and failing to rise to the challenge of the material. It's a case of an actor gamely trying to make something of material that is itself poor and offers no favors to anybody... except perhaps the great Desmond Llewellyn.


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You might be right, Ken. But hindsight has screwed Richards, perhaps through little fault of her own, but they're the risks for well paid for. She's a perceived poor actress, playing a shallow role in a weak era of Bond films. And she married Charlie Sheen
I would hardly call her a "perceived poor actress" and hindsight hasn't really "Screwed" her.


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