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Yo.

Drop some thoughts about politics here.

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I would, but i'm 93.6% certain there'll be civil war within 2 days

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Well I just read this story today and it's this very reason why I truly despise most Republicans:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/09/1276212/-Oklahoma-Restaurant-No-Freaks-F-ggots-N-ggers-Disabled-or-Welfare-Freeloaders?detail=email


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Not touching this. Not at all.

EDIT: Can I admit that I was pretty stunned by Vexer's link? Wow. Okay, now I'm done.

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NotHughGrant wrote:
I would, but i'm 93.6% certain there'll be civil war within 2 days

To respond to your post on the "Last Movies" thread, I doubt people would lean conservative with Romney's "massaging", the problem was that he was even divided amongst Republicans, many of whom considered him a phony since Obamacare was based on his own health care bill, so his stance against it made him look like a complete hypocrite.

EDIT- I seriously hope that restaurant ends up like Nino's Pizzeria at the end of Do The Right Thing.


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I'm with Frank Zappa on this one: politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex.

Plus, there's absolutely no reason to pay attention to punditry nowadays, now that Tucker Carlson no longer wears a bowtie. I could never stomach his politics, but the bowtie was something I felt he and I could always agree on.

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Vexer wrote:
Well I just read this story today and it's this very reason why I truly despise most Republicans:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/09/1276212/-Oklahoma-Restaurant-No-Freaks-F-ggots-N-ggers-Disabled-or-Welfare-Freeloaders?detail=email


John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat. Does that mean you'll abandon that party?

One jackass restaurant owner doesn't represents all Republicans' views on race and class any more than Gacy represents all Democrats' views on killing people.

Plus, Daily Kos, man!


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Shade2 wrote:
Vexer wrote:
Well I just read this story today and it's this very reason why I truly despise most Republicans:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/09/1276212/-Oklahoma-Restaurant-No-Freaks-F-ggots-N-ggers-Disabled-or-Welfare-Freeloaders?detail=email


John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat. Does that mean you'll abandon that party?

One jackass restaurant owner doesn't represents all Republicans' views on race and class any more than Gacy represents all Democrats' views on killing people.

Plus, Daily Kos, man!

The place has been arond for 40 something years, so obviously it's not just the owner who has that view, it's many of the patrons as well.

Also what's wrong with Daily Kos? :?

Gacy wasn't exactly sane, so I take everything he said with a grain of salt anyways.


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Well, I thought this was pretty funny.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/fox-news-lego-movie-anti-business-agenda-video/

And I actually know someone who felt the exact same way after seeing this movie with his kids, except he went further by comparing President Business' master plan to that of, well.....
[Reveal] Spoiler:
Obama's Socialist Agenda
....and claimed the movie is just taking that and planting a Republican face on it, indoctrinizing kids, blah blah blah. Now he and his wife won't spend any money on Legos ever again.

Your move, Armond White. 8-)

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Kunzie, you bored or something? You know a thread about politics is just a way to stir up shit in this forum based on past conversations...

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Unless I misread his motives, I think the intention here is to keep this stuff out of threads where it doesn't belong. It's sort of like the toilet of forum topics.

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Unless I misread his motives, I think the intention here is to keep this stuff out of threads where it doesn't belong. It's sort of like the toilet of forum topics.

The tone of his original post makes it sound like he just wanted people to talk about U.S. politics as opposed to creating a thread specifically to act like a latrine for people's political views/rants. I don't think it will work if the latter is the case, though.

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I base my guess on a remark he made in the "last movie you watched" thread, which followed a brief side discussion about Mitt Romney, whom I now associate permanently with the SNL sketch that dramatizes the night he lost the election.

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Politically I consider myself to be a mix of fiscal conservative and social liberal.

Generally I'm in favor of low taxes. I'm not against setting them at a reasonable level should the need arise. But I don't like seeing the government take our money, throw it away, then take even more and throw it away.

The significant problem with most tax cuts is that they're not offset with spending cuts as well. Hence the equation noted above.

I wouldn't mind seeing something along the lines of a flat tax.

Generally I'm also pro gun rights for the most part. I understand that the Second Amendment was created for the protection of American citizens from btoh criminals and the government should the need ever arise.

Gun control of the type many on the far left (IE: Rosie O'Donnell) seem to favor would not do much good in preventing tragedies like Newtown. The shooter in that instance was not legally allowed to possess those guns. But he got them. Tighter rules might have made it harder. But I maintain that a really determined criminal will get the guns.

When it comes to guns I suspect that most Americans fall where I do, they have no problem with letting people have guns if there isn't a valid reason not to (criminal, Mental illness). Enforce the laws we have now, close a few loopholes and I suspect most people would be satisfied aside from the extremists on both sides.

While I am pro gun rights, I myself do not own any guns and do not see myself owning any.

On the other hand, I am very much in favor of legalizing marijuana and decriminalizing harder drugs.

I also have no problem with letting gays get married. I get tired of all the whining and screaming from the far religious right and the ongoing rants that accepting gays will open the door for the acceptance of bestiality and pedophilia.

I've often been asked if "Support abortion". That's phrased incorrectly. No one supports abortion per se. What people support is a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body.

Abortion is a tricky issue. I agree with the observation made by conservative radio host Larry Elder. "I don't have the answer. But neither does the government. If you're opposed to abortion don't have one".

In general I agree with the basic goal of reducing the number of abortions if possible. Which is why it annoys me when certain people (IE: Rick Santorum) rant against Planned Parenthood and birth control. Abstinence Only education is not going to work. Yes abstinence is the only surefire way to guard against pregnancy, STDs etc. But it doesn't solve anything to wear blinders to the fact that people are going to have sex anyway. To quote Coolio:

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And if you don't believe me, then go ask Magic
Everybody an they momma preachin abstinence, these
kids ain't checkin for absti-shit
So put a condom in they hand and hope it don't bust


As far as the death penalty goes, I'm neither 100% for or against it. I tend to observe that on a case by case basis.

While Obamacare has been problematic and I don't agree with the manner in which it was rushed out and certain provisions of it (IE: Requiring everyone to have insurance) I agree with the basic goal of making insurance available to everyone. One good thing about it is it did away for the most part with the pre-existing conditions loophole so many companies have used. Everyone has a pre-existing condition, it is called life.

On the matter of prayer in schools, I say that prayer will never be totally erased form them. As my father says, "As long as math tests exist, there will be prayer in schools". There is no law that forbids anyone from privately praying if they choose to do so.

That's what I can think of to say for now. I'm sure more will come to mind later.

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Ragnarok73 wrote:
Ken wrote:
Unless I misread his motives, I think the intention here is to keep this stuff out of threads where it doesn't belong. It's sort of like the toilet of forum topics.

The tone of his original post makes it sound like he just wanted people to talk about U.S. politics as opposed to creating a thread specifically to act like a latrine for people's political views/rants. I don't think it will work if the latter is the case, though.


If I may quote me in the other thread:

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After this and some rumblings in the Wolf of Wall Street thread, I'm making an American politics thread. If you want to talk about politics unconnected to movies, go there.


So, no, I'm not bored. I'm trying to keep this cancer contained

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Jeff Wilder wrote:
Generally I'm in favor of low taxes. I'm not against setting them at a reasonable level should the need arise. But I don't like seeing the government take our money, throw it away, then take even more and throw it away.

The significant problem with most tax cuts is that they're not offset with spending cuts as well. Hence the equation noted above.

Ah, but then the question arises: if we must cut something, what do we cut? And then something else also arises, which is the whispers of the powerful and influential in the ears of our elected officials, and the snapping open of fat pocketbooks.

There is a reason we see much criticism lobbed at relatively inexpensive programs--welfare, healthcare, scientific research, and so on--but relatively little criticism lobbed at far larger expenditures such as corporate subsidies, private contracts, and an unaudited military budget laden with waste.

I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with you in theory... but wish in one hand and shit in the other, you know?

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unaudited military budget laden with waste.


This. A million times, this. Our military is built to defeat Russia. We have the biggest military in the world and it's not even close. Bigger than the next 13 combined I believe. We have a majority of the world's aircraft carriers--if they all were sentient and got to vote, we'd win every election. We have billion-dollar (literally - the program has cost north of 40 billion and produced 21 aircraft) stealth bombers. Stealth bombers? The only people we're fighting are insurgents with AK-47s and grenades up their asses.

Why oh why can't we cut the military?

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Why oh why can't we cut the military?


Then I'd be unemployed :(


OK, I deal with Marine pay so I doubt cutting the military is going to make me unemployed but after sequestration, furloughs and the shutdown...I'm twitchy about this subject for purely selfish reasons.


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I about died laughing when I saw the Reuters report that detailed, among other shit you just can't make up, how the Pentagon has squandered billions of dollars since the late '90s on unproductive internal programs to track and eliminate waste in their budget. I repeat: they managed to waste money trying to figure out how to save money.

You have to give them credit, though. They're creating plenty of jobs in the satire business.

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patrick wrote:
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Why oh why can't we cut the military?


Then I'd be unemployed :(


OK, I deal with Marine pay so I doubt cutting the military is going to make me unemployed but after sequestration, furloughs and the shutdown...I'm twitchy about this subject for purely selfish reasons.


Ehhhh I know what you mean. I'm similarly conflicted about teacher tenure

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