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Armond White - Still as classy as ever 
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What the fuck? This sounds like a lot of shit. I agree with Lumenick, why keep on flaming an incident and blowing it this far out of proportion? And the fact that Lumenick himself comes under fire too...what the hell is that all about? This Rothkopf sounds like an angry fraternity brother.


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He loves Steven Spielberg; he can't be all that bad.

On the other hand...

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12 Years a Slave, British director Steve McQueen’s adaptation of the 1853 American slave narrative by Solomon Northup, who claims that in 1841, away from his home in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., he was kidnapped and taken South where he was sold into hellish servitude and dehumanizing cruelty.


:lol: I had skimmed the review before because then I hadn't seen the movie yet (just coming across the ridiculous jabs at Brad Pitt), but NOW I will have to read the whole thing.


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Now wait a minute. Maybe we should apply the no name-calling rule to people besides forum members, yes? I'm not Armond White of course, but I admire him quite a lot and I definitely think there's a prejudicial correlation between how much you agree with his opinions and how much you may be bothered by his abrasive behavior.

Personally, I read him for his opinions and couldn't care less about his behavior one way or the other.



White's a talented writer and his reviews have made me think twice about a few films; but you can't separate his writing from his behaviour at these kind of things because they're both based on obnoxiousness and ad hominem fallacies.

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"A Black viewer just posted he handed kleenex to the white viewers sobbing at #12YearsASlave LOL!"

I haven't liked the little I've read from White and also haven't seen the movie, but that is one of the funniest comments I've read in awhile.


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Armond White is the editor of CityArts, a New York City culture review, and last night he caused quite a stir at the New York Film Critics Circle Awards when he took it upon himself to berate Steve McQueen in front of the entire audience.

Yes, you read that correctly. According to Variety and numerous other sources, White was sitting in the back of the room when McQueen took the stage to receive the best director prize for the critically acclaimed 12 Years A Slave. What happened next is the stuff of heckling legend. Per Variety:

As soon as McQueen took the stage, White started shouting from his table at the back of the room. “You’re an embarrassing doorman and garbage man,” White boomed. “F—you. Kiss my ass.”

McQueen either didn’t hear the comments or pretended not to. He thanked the critics group for honoring him with an award previously given to John Ford and Woody Allen, at which point White hissed “pulease.”

I’m nearly speechless. “You’re a doorman and garbage man” is some top-notch shit-talking, and I’m not even sure what it means. And whether you agree or disagree with his take on the film (personally, like almost everyone else, I thought 12 Years was really good), you have to admit that White has some serious cojones.

As it happens, White is a notorious gadfly who spreads intrigue both in person and in print. He has a habit of panning critically revered films, and in his original review of 12 Years, he compared it to “torture porn” and labeled it a “dud of the week.” If nothing else, the man is consistent. (Note: I highly recommend reading the whole review, which contains gems like, “Steve McQueen’s post-racial art games and taste for cruelty play into cultural chaos. The story in 12 Years a Slave didn’t need to be filmed this way and I wish I never saw it.”)

Still, though, taking on McQueen in that forum, as he’s about to receive an award? That’s a calculated move guaranteed to elicit nothing but rage and recrimination. To stage such a confrontation, in the most public setting possible, is at least a little bit epic. In a batshit way, sure, but that only adds to the hilarity.

Dig a bit deeper, though, and it turns out this is only the tip of the Armond White iceberg. The man is combative, tireless and totally fearless. They actually let him host the awards show in 2011 (he was chairman at the time, but still, bad move!), and the results, as recorded by Vulture the next day, are incredible. A few choice highlights:

—White repeatedly made it clear that he disagreed with the NYFCC’s decisions, which made everyone uncomfortable. When he had to introduce the presenter who was set to give Annette Bening the Best Actress award, he talked about her performance in Mother and Child instead of The Kids Are All Right, which he hated. Gawker reported that the whole ordeal made Bening cry.

—White had panned Black Swan that year, and director Darren Aronofsky used his time on stage to strike back at White: “Keep it up, because you give all of us another reason not to read the New York Press,” he said. “Hey, my only chance to have revenge against this guy, and now it’s done. I’m sorry.” After his speech, White took the stage with his retort ready: “That’s all right. Darren reads me. That’s all I want. And because he reads me, he knows the truth.”

—When he introduced Michelle Williams to present an award to Mark Ruffalo, he rattled off some passive-aggressive praise for her work in a 2004 film, which everyone took as a “deliberate snub” of her role in Blue Valentine. Williams was nonplussed: “Um, thanks, that was, like, ten years ago. I’m not going to read any of your reviews of my other work because you really had to reach.”

—When introducing Tony Kushner, who was presenting the award for Best Picture, he unleashed one of his best zingers of the night: “Surely, Kushner, whose great play, Angels in America, showed how spiritual and social connections transformed lust and envy to family, friends, and country, has a moral responsibility to explain why The Social Network is good.”

—This closing paragraph is pure gold and needs to be experienced verbatim: “Throughout the evening, as many of the presenters and winners cringed and some openly jeered him, White kept a condescending grin plastered on his face that seemed to pity the poor deluded film illiterates. The evening ended with a few hisses at his final swipe (”I thank the circle for not awarding a single award to Greenberg“), but then relief set in that this was White’s last year as chairman, and therefore, as host.”

A year later, relegated from chairman of the NYFCC to a participating member, he still managed to ruffle feathers by heckling Robert De Niro and Viola Davis, shouting “The Good Shepherd!” at the former and “Ethel Waters!” at the latter. It seems these references were positive; he loved the 2006 De Niro film, and Waters was the second African-American woman to be nominated for an Academy Award. Still, you have to laugh at the timing, which is anything but appropriate.

So it seems that White is the Ignatius J. Reilly of the New York film scene, and I, for one, am glad to have such an eccentric iconoclast around. I look forward to his next incident, and I only hope he can top himself.

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Ignatius Reilly was also an asshole whose deliberate unpleasantness to those around him was impressive mainly to himself. Strange how the parallels keep going.

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MGamesCook wrote:

What does "not joking" mean in this context? It's not like he was attempting to physically harm McQueen or anything like that. The slur he made against McQueen wasn't racial. And it's clear that none of us know exactly what happened, including the people who wrote the articles. Any kind of commentary on the incident seems presumptuous. I'm not gonna try and say his negative opinions contain no hate.


Granted, none of us were there, and I know that everything that gets reported in the news isn't 100% accurate to say the least, but given that none of us were there, what's been reported is what we have to go on. If we limited ourselves to commenting only on events that we had personally witnessed, conversation would be far less interesting.

And yes, racism and physical assault are worse than just being an obnoxious jerk, but that isn't any excuse for being an obnoxious jerk.


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http://www.nyfcc.com/2014/01/armond-whites-better-than-list-for-cityarts/#.Us7YCbLOYqc.twitter

Hmmm, well I stand corrected. Nothing ridiculous about this list at all. Sure, "Bullet to the Head > Mud" seems a little strange but the rest of the movies he compared to one another have much more common ground.

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After drawing ire for heckling “12 Years a Slave” director Steve McQueen at a recent awards show, CityArts film critic Armond White has been booted from the New York Film Critics Circle.

According to NYFCC member Owen Gleiberman, the group voted him out this morning after his behavior at the Jan. 5 New York Film Critics Circle Awards. Variety was the first to report that White yelled “You’re an embarrassing doorman and garbage man,” and ““F—you. Kiss my ass,” when McQueen took the stage to accept his award for best director last week at the ceremony.

White went on to deny the allegations to such outlets as The New York Times and The Hollywood Reporter but as EW’s Glieberman writes, “I was sitting about 40 feet away from him, and though I couldn’t make out everything that was said, I can testify: Everyone at my table lurched around to see where the loud, jeering, disruptive comments were coming from. This unquestionably fit the definition of heckling. It was all meant to be heard by the room at large. When White later claimed that his comments were “sotto voce” (a musical term that literally means “soft voice”), he was either lying or lying to himself, or perhaps both.”

The Film Lincoln Society even posted audio of the incident, which features someone yelling “doorman” and “f— you” as McQueen takes the stage.


http://variety.com/2014/film/news/armon ... 201052799/


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more from Owen Gleiberman here

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/01/13/a ... y-critics/


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LoL. Good Riddance.


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Armond responds to being expelled:

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"I think they did themselves a disservice," said White, who served as chairman of the group in 1994, 2009, and 2010. "Now everybody knows what terrible people and critics they are. Thank you for relieving me of your horrific company."

"I've been a member since 1987," said the Columbia University-educated White, whose Twitter handle is @3xChair. "I'm the guy that got the group to give its first career achievement award to Jean-Luc Godard. I'm the guy who got the group its website. I'm the guy who took that cardboard box of historical papers from 1935 and put them in an archive at the Museum of Modern Art. I'm the guy that started the animated film category — although that is now my one regret."

But he does not regret his behavior on the night of Jan. 6. "I did not heckle. I admit to being loud. Do people know what heckling is?"

White then shared a story he found particularly ironic, recalling an exchange with another NYFCC member after this year's voting concluded and "American Hustle" was named Best Picture. "She said, 'Oh, Armond, I feel like crying. We should have given best picture to "12 Years a Slave."' Clearly, she didn't read my review. I thought, 'Why is she saying this to me?' And she went on, 'I feel like crying, slavery was horrible, and people don't know about it' ... I'm not making this up. This is white liberal hypocrisy."

Of his expulsion by his critical colleagues, White continued: "This whole story is not impossible to grasp or write about – it's a big thicket of stuff because they make it personal. It has to do with envy of how I do my work. They envy my intelligence, my ability, my sense of freedom. And I think race has something to do with it, too, frankly.”

White said his colleagues have "repeated lies" about him, stating several controversial instances where he felt wronged: "Back to the lie that I made Annette Bening cry, or the distortion that I insulted Darren Aronofsky, or the misunderstanding about cheering, not heckling, Robert De Niro for his directorial achievement 'The Good Shepherd.'"

White has never been shy about making headlines, or making waves. And he's not backpedaling now: "I never deny yelling 'F--- you at Michael Moore because I was offended at what he said politically and as a Christian. I would never heckle Harry Belafonte and I don't even agree with him politically. He's a hero and I lobbied to get him a Best Supporting Actor Award for 'Kansas City.' Why on earth would I heckle Harry Belafonte? That's just a lie. Or Steve McQueen?"

"I’m the only black man doing this," White continued. "I think I do it well. I don't think I'm perfect. I don't think people want me to do it well. I know I don't do it badly."


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How could they disown him when he brings such dignity to their profession?

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I'm slow, because it just hit me that Amy Poehler's "garbage man" joke at the Golden Globes is a reference to this.


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Playing the race card? Seriously? He should have done his research. There are other black critics out there, including Wesley Morris (grantland.com), and two from the MD/DC/VA area: Michelle Alexandria (eclipsemagazine.com), and Travis Hopson (punchdrunkcritics.com).

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Playing the race card? Seriously? He should have done his research. There are other black critics out there, including Wesley Morris (grantland.com), and two from the MD/DC/VA area: Michelle Alexandria (eclipsemagazine.com), and Travis Hopson (punchdrunkcritics.com).


He was referring to nyfcc critics.

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LoL. Good Riddance.


He's not going anywhere. He retains his job at CityArts, and it's not like he's suffering a pay cut is he? He basically just got kicked out of a fraternity.


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He's not going anywhere. He retains his job at CityArts, and it's not like he's suffering a pay cut is he?


How much money do you think he makes working for City Arts? I should call them and tell them they can pay me half of what they pay him, and I'll write the same stupid shit that he does.


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In a way, White has what he wants out of this - attention.

I hope he doesn't play the race card, and that that's just a rumour. Positioning himself as Muhammed Ali to the establishment's Joe Frazier would be ugly in the extreme.

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How much money do you think he makes working for City Arts? I should call them and tell them they can pay me half of what they pay him, and I'll write the same stupid shit that he does.

Seriously. Writing against-the-grain, shit-stirring reviews is the easiest thing on the planet. He pans Toy Story 3 and people talk about him like he split the atom. Come on now.

Hey, once upon a time, I thought everybody else on the planet was a moron and a sell-out, and I also made myself look like a huge jackass on a constant basis while I convinced myself that I was just too cool for school. The difference is that I got through my teenage years and Armond White is still Armond White.

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It almost seems that when true moral depravity is absent, people have to invent new ways of being immoral. And so an incident like this gets blown way out of proportion, everyone acting like White got arrested for a felony or something. So he mouthed off at a dinner. So? Is it bad enough to make national news? I've heard of far worse. Mountains out of molehills. People grasping at thin air, desperate for something to worry about. And write about. Armond's critics have gotten a healthy supply of readers this past week.

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Hey, once upon a time, I thought everybody else on the planet was a moron and a sell-out, and I also made myself look like a huge jackass on a constant basis while I convinced myself that I was just too cool for school. The difference is that I got through my teenage years and Armond White is still Armond White.


Yeah, and he succeeded.

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and people talk about him like he split the atom. Come on now.


So blame them, not him.


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