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Casino Royale below Goldeneye? Madness. Utter madness.
Rescuing the franchise does not excuse Casino Royale for its problems. At the same time, it is a worthy Bond flick.

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Yeah, and how is Man With The Golden Gun lower-mid tier? That's easily the WORST Bond film of all, it decends so far into outright lunacy that's it's not the least bit exciting or compelling.
Christopher Lee.

Live and Let Die is the worst.
So you agree with me then? And are you saying that the lower mid-tier is actually WORSE then the Not-worth-giving-a-crap-about tier is? :?


Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:11 pm
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No.

I figured "Live and Let Die is the worst" was making things pretty clear.


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Ken wrote:
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Casino Royale below Goldeneye? Madness. Utter madness.
Rescuing the franchise does not excuse Casino Royale for its problems. At the same time, it is a worthy Bond flick.



I think that quote refers better to Goldeneye than Casino Royale.

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Clever point. But I maintain that Goldeneye, while not the most remarkable Bond film, is more even and has a higher ratio of good-to-bad than Casino Royale, which is more impressive in parts but far less cohesive as a movie.


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Clever point. But I maintain that Goldeneye, while not the most remarkable Bond film, is more even and has a higher ratio of good-to-bad than Casino Royale, which is more impressive in parts but far less cohesive as a movie.


I just have never seen anything impressive about Goldeneye except for the fact that it existed at all and Bond could work post-Cold War. The Bond girls are forgettable, the one-liners are lame, the villains (with Sean Bean excepted) unmemorable, the gadgetry perfunctory, etc. I like the locales and some of the stunts, but otherwise it just seems uninspiring.

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Goldeneye is quite sturdy. It's shot and edited cogently, while at the same time managing to sell the stunts. There's the intentionally over-the-top stuff, such as the tank scene. There's the perfunctory moment of psychological realism, which acknowledges the limitations of the formula without impeding the film. There's the revenge subplot, which is the sort of thing that the franchise has occasionally attempted, but rarely this well.

Casino Royale, by contrast, isn't quite as fanciful, which fits its change of direction. There are moments that recall the best of the Bond movies, the ones least bound by the mythology. But it's also sloppy in many ways that Goldeneye is not, and--incredibly enough for an allegedly realistic piece of spy fiction--includes material that ranks among the franchise's more ridiculous moments. To compound the problem, the final act is a strange lapse that feels as though the pages of the script were out of order and mixed up with the pages of a script from a different movie entirely.


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I've come across more than a few 20somethings who think pretty highly of Goldeneye, partly because it inspired a very popular video game that many of that generation spent much of their childhood playing.

Its so weird meeting people who's first Bond experience was a Pierce Brosnan Bond.


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Goldeneye was technically my first Bond film, given that I missed out on the Dalton era, but I didn't remember it well. My real introduction to the series was through the ubiquitous holiday movie marathons. I eventually rediscovered Goldeneye and found it to be one of the better Bond movies.

I did enjoy playing the Goldeneye game with friends, though it wasn't closely related to the film of the same name and its timing coincided more with Tomorrow Never Dies.


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The best are:

Goldfinger
From Rusia with Love
Dr No
Thunderball
On her Majesty Secret Service
Skyfall
Casino Royale
Golden Eye
The Spy Who Loved Me


So so tier

Live and Let Die
Tomorrow Never Dies
The World is not enough
You Only Live Twice
Diamonds are forever
Moonraker
For your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights
License to Kill
Never Say Never Again


The ones not to worry if you missed them:

Quantum Solace
Die Another Day
Octopussy
The Man with the Golden Gun
A View to a Kill

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I need to catch up with a lot. Haven't seen the last ones from Connery, or the Lazenby one. I know I saw a lot of the Roger Moore ones when I was a kid/teen, but they're mostly a blur now. Same with the Dalton ones. So, with that said...


From Russia with Love
Goldfinger
Casino Royale
GoldenEye
Tomorrow Never Dies
Skyfall
Quantum of Solace
Dr. No
The World Is Not Enough
Die Another Day


Those are the only ones I've seen that I can really remember and rank properly.

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Clever point. But I maintain that Goldeneye, while not the most remarkable Bond film, is more even and has a higher ratio of good-to-bad than Casino Royale, which is more impressive in parts but far less cohesive as a movie.


I just have never seen anything impressive about Goldeneye except for the fact that it existed at all and Bond could work post-Cold War. The Bond girls are forgettable, the one-liners are lame, the villains (with Sean Bean excepted) unmemorable, the gadgetry perfunctory, etc. I like the locales and some of the stunts, but otherwise it just seems uninspiring.



I realize that this post is fairly old, but I wanted to respond to it.

I totally disagree that the Bond girls in Goldeneye are forgettable. Famke Jansen is one of the best Bond girls there ever was and a damn great villainous too! Also loved the introduction of Judi Dench as the new M.

Speaking of which, the last time I put my list up, that was obviously before Skyfall came out. Well, Skyfall is officially my all time favorite James Bond movie. I LOVE it. Die Another Day gets bumped down to my #2 slot.


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Ken wrote:
Clever point. But I maintain that Goldeneye, while not the most remarkable Bond film, is more even and has a higher ratio of good-to-bad than Casino Royale, which is more impressive in parts but far less cohesive as a movie.


I just have never seen anything impressive about Goldeneye except for the fact that it existed at all and Bond could work post-Cold War. The Bond girls are forgettable, the one-liners are lame, the villains (with Sean Bean excepted) unmemorable, the gadgetry perfunctory, etc. I like the locales and some of the stunts, but otherwise it just seems uninspiring.



I realize that this post is fairly old, but I wanted to respond to it.

I totally disagree that the Bond girls in Goldeneye are forgettable. Famke Jansen is one of the best Bond girls there ever was and a damn great villainous too! Also loved the introduction of Judi Dench as the new M.

Speaking of which, the last time I put my list up, that was obviously before Skyfall came out. Well, Skyfall is officially my all time favorite James Bond movie. I LOVE it. Die Another Day gets bumped down to my #2 slot.

Agreed, I also thought Denise Richards was a pretty underrated Bond girl.


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While I don't think she's quite as bad as people say she is, I definitely will say Richards didn't do much for me. She's meh. Not good, but not quite horrible.

But another one of my favorite Bond girls is from the same movie: Sophie Marceau. LOVE her.


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Denise Richards' distinctiveness and skills as an actress are debatable, but it always rubbed me wrong when people complained that they couldn't buy her as a nuclear scientist. As if scientists and pretty girls who don't speak in technobabble are mutually exclusive categories.

I'm not just making a theoretical argument, either. Hang around the medical and science buildings on MSU campus sometime. Plenty of hotties, very few Egon Spengler types.

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Ken wrote:
Denise Richards' distinctiveness and skills as an actress are debatable, but it always rubbed me wrong when people complained that they couldn't buy her as a nuclear scientist. As if scientists and pretty girls who don't speak in technobabble are mutually exclusive categories.

I'm not just making a theoretical argument, either. Hang around the medical and science buildings on MSU campus sometime. Plenty of hotties, very few Egon Spengler types.

Yeah it always bugged me big time when people said that, it's a pretty sexist thing to say when you really think about it.


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Certainly. Bad enough that it negatively stereotypes both women and scientists in one fell swoop. Worse that it adds to an awfully discouraging social role for girls who very well might develop a serious interest in the sciences, if they didn't grow up in a culture in which our experts have to be either men or unattractive women in order to be seen as credible.

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Ken wrote:
Certainly. Bad enough that it negatively stereotypes both women and scientists in one fell swoop. Worse that it adds to an awfully discouraging social role for girls who very well might develop a serious interest in the sciences, if they didn't grow up in a culture in which our experts have to be either men or unattractive women in order to be seen as credible.

For me, it was/is more Richards' general lack of gravitas as an actress. That's why I personally didn't fully buy her in that role. I don't think I'd have had any problem with someone like Anne Hathaway (well, she'd have been far too young at the time :? ) or Rachel Weisz in the role. Granted, only a handful of women cast as Bond heroines over the half century of the franchise's existence have ever truly had genuine acting chops. :|


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
Ken wrote:
Certainly. Bad enough that it negatively stereotypes both women and scientists in one fell swoop. Worse that it adds to an awfully discouraging social role for girls who very well might develop a serious interest in the sciences, if they didn't grow up in a culture in which our experts have to be either men or unattractive women in order to be seen as credible.

For me, it was/is more Richards' general lack of gravitas as an actress. That's why I personally didn't fully buy her in that role. I don't think I'd have had any problem with someone like Anne Hathaway (well, she'd have been far too young at the time :? ) or Rachel Weisz in the role. Granted, only a handful of women cast as Bond heroines over the half century of the franchise's existence have ever truly had genuine acting chops. :|

I think she's a pretty underrated actress as a whole, she gave really good performances in Empire and Drop Dead Gorgeous.


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Words can not convey how much I LOATHE Drop Dead Gorgeous! One of the worst movies I have EVER seen.

One movie I did like with Denise Richards was Starship Troopers though. Fun flick. And the World is Not Enough, the movie that got us talking about her to begin with. But that's about it that I really liked from her. Just those two.


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Words can not convey how much I LOATHE Drop Dead Gorgeous! One of the worst movies I have EVER seen.

One movie I did like with Denise Richards was Starship Troopers though. Fun flick. And the World is Not Enough, the movie that got us talking about her to begin with. But that's about it that I really liked from her. Just those two.

What was so bad about that film?


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