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Good review as always. Funniest part of this movie IMHO:

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When Jon explains via voiceover that one annoying thing with porn is that right when you're about to climax, the video shows the guy


It's funny 'cuz it's true. :lol:

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Whether or not this movie is good, I don't see why the marketing had to be as excessive as it is.


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Honestly, the whole semi-'Jersey Shore' vibe I'm getting from both JGL's and ScarJo's characters in the previews is rather off-putting. :?


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
Honestly, the whole semi-'Jersey Shore' vibe I'm getting from both JGL's and ScarJo's characters in the previews is rather off-putting. :?


That's what I thought too. But in the movie itself, they come across as real people, not caricatures.

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No huge interest in film, probably will catch on Netflix.
And heads up, James, in the sixth paragraph you write "Levitt-Gordon" instead of "Gordon-Levitt" twice.

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It is fairly well made first movie with some good and bad. The good is that Gordon Levitt has something to say about a subject where so many films are empty and pointless.The bad is the borderline racist and class conscious caricature of the main character and his father. It is kind of lazy writing to play to latent biases in the audience. Checking Gordon Levitt is a West Coast kid who's family is pretty middle class and white collar would probably explain why it didn't sit right or authentic.

Aside from that he makes good points about porn and how pervasive it is everywhere including in tv shows and advertising. Had a laugh when he tries to say that romantic movies are girl porn and I thought of Twilight. Where he goes wrong is saying using porn is the same addiction as crack use. They have shown with MRI testing that sex addicts brains don't light up like people who gamble,do drugs or are sugar addicts. There is plenty of reasons people use porn and most have girlfriends and wives without being dysfunctional but there is a segment where it is a symptom of a serious underlying mental health and socializing problem not the problem of itself.

The other part Levitt Gordon botched is the scenes in the confession box which shows he hasn't done that either. If he did he would have worked in a better joke where when you confess about sex and your asked for more details. It would have been a good running joke.


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They have shown with MRI testing that sex addicts brains don't light up like people who gamble,do drugs or are sugar addicts.


This is my basic problem which also applies to Shame and I suppose Californication. There's really no such thing as a "sex addict." Addict is the wrong word. There's such thing as a person who feels insecure unless they sleep with several times as many people as the average person, and there's such a thing as someone who has issues being more attracted to porn stars than they are to anyone they could date in their own league. And there's other tangential things, but addict is not the right word for any of that.

Here's the thing: it's no secret that sexual deviance is rampant. I've seen all sorts of weird, disquieting things in people my age. I've walked in on off-putting things, and I've encountered some unpleasant stuff regarding both close friends and family members. It's not a happy subject, and I feel that Don Jon is in danger of trivializing some of it.


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People in general are just waaaaayyyyy too into sex, if you ask me. It's kind of funny how so much time is devoted to something that was just fundamentally designed to continue the species -- even to the point of 'cheating the system,' so to speak (i.e. condoms, birth control, contraception, etc.) all for the sake of a few minutes of physical pleasure. :?


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
People in general are just waaaaayyyyy too into sex, if you ask me. It's kind of funny how so much time is devoted to something that was just fundamentally designed to continue the species -- even to the point of 'cheating the system,' so to speak (i.e. condoms, birth control, contraception, etc.) all for the sake of a few minutes of physical pleasure. :?

If it's only a few minute, then you must be doing something wrong :lol:


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
People in general are just waaaaayyyyy too into sex, if you ask me. It's kind of funny how so much time is devoted to something that was just fundamentally designed to continue the species -- even to the point of 'cheating the system,' so to speak (i.e. condoms, birth control, contraception, etc.) all for the sake of a few minutes of physical pleasure. :?


It's definitely put on a pedestal too much. Teenagers can't help doing that though, and you can't really blame them. But it shouldn't be the main focus of someone's life. The great joke in Chronicle was that even after they became super-powered gods, they still felt completely subservient to social norms and getting laid in their particular social sphere. The sad part is, it felt very realistic and believable in that sense.

Leveling a city and flying around the world like superman are both inconsequential next to facebook etiquette.


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***1/2

Gordon-Levitt does well in his first directorial effort. Not a completely assured debut (Ala Gone Baby Gone). But more assured than others by actors turned directors.

Some of the story tropes are pretty old (immature young man schooled by older woman). But the way they're presented is fresh.

Gordon-Levitt's directorial approach is flashy but not show-offy although the use of the same piece of music before a porn scene did get tiring after a while.

Definitely worthwhile and definitely marks Gordon-Levitt as a filmmaker to watch.

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Some of the story tropes are pretty old (immature young man schooled by older woman). But the way they're presented is fresh.



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Julianne Moore as the Magical Cougar that transfers mystical life lessons like art porn is cool but that other stuff is not(okay sure) then magically transfers empathy and stops a life long habit instantaneously is probably the weakest idea in the movie and not too convincing. I would have liked a different resolution where Jon realizes he is a narcissist where porn is a symptom but takes the long hard steps to get professional help and practice empathy with people around him like his friends and family(and other drivers on the road?) who he is really mean to and then tries to start a real relationship with someone from the opposite sex.


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They have shown with MRI testing that sex addicts brains don't light up like people who gamble,do drugs or are sugar addicts.


This is my basic problem which also applies to Shame and I suppose Californication. There's really no such thing as a "sex addict." Addict is the wrong word. There's such thing as a person who feels insecure unless they sleep with several times as many people as the average person, and there's such a thing as someone who has issues being more attracted to porn stars than they are to anyone they could date in their own league. And there's other tangential things, but addict is not the right word for any of that.


Jon isn't a sex addict nor is there any attempt to portray him as such. He's a porn addict and the movie goes to great lengths to differentiate "porn" from "sex." In fact, the difference is part of the theme. Now, you might argue there's no such thing as "porn addiction" but psychologists and psychiatrists are split on that issue. Seems to me that pretty much anything can cause unhealthily compulsive behavior if taken to extremes. Whether or not that constitutes addiction is another matter. At no point during DON JON is Jon's obsession with porn presented as a classic addiction, so the film works just as well if you don't view it as an "addiction." The film works just a well whether you view Jon's situation as one of addiction or obsession.

SHAME is a different matter altogether in that the sex addiction can be seen as masking a deeper emotional void that the main character attempts to fill with sex. CALIFORNICATION is a portrait of someone who has completely lost his moral compass. He's not a sex addict; he just does whatever feels good in the moment without considering the consequences.


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MGamesCook wrote:
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They have shown with MRI testing that sex addicts brains don't light up like people who gamble,do drugs or are sugar addicts.


This is my basic problem which also applies to Shame and I suppose Californication. There's really no such thing as a "sex addict." Addict is the wrong word. There's such thing as a person who feels insecure unless they sleep with several times as many people as the average person, and there's such a thing as someone who has issues being more attracted to porn stars than they are to anyone they could date in their own league. And there's other tangential things, but addict is not the right word for any of that.


Jon isn't a sex addict nor is there any attempt to portray him as such. He's a porn addict and the movie goes to great lengths to differentiate "porn" from "sex." In fact, the difference is part of the theme. Now, you might argue there's no such thing as "porn addiction" but psychologists and psychiatrists are split on that issue. Seems to me that pretty much anything can cause unhealthily compulsive behavior if taken to extremes. Whether or not that constitutes addiction is another matter. At no point during DON JON is Jon's obsession with porn presented as a classic addiction, so the film works just as well if you don't view it as an "addiction." The film works just a well whether you view Jon's situation as one of addiction or obsession.

SHAME is a different matter altogether in that the sex addiction can be seen as masking a deeper emotional void that the main character attempts to fill with sex. CALIFORNICATION is a portrait of someone who has completely lost his moral compass. He's not a sex addict; he just does whatever feels good in the moment without considering the consequences.


I definitely view it as addiction in this film. The kicker is when he utters the classic addict's creedo, "I can stop whenever I want."

I've never watched CALIFORNICATION, but SHAME is one of my favorite movies of the decade thus far. What's important to remember is that no one explicitly refers to Brandon's condition as "sex addiction" in the film. That's just what a majority of critics/viewers have described it as. That scene where he can't "perform" in bed with a co-worker he really likes as a person? Superb in the way it shows how he's afraid that a relationship will force him to give up "meaningless sex" forever.

DON JON is more straightforward but this condition, however you choose to categorize it, DOES exist, and I'm glad there are movies out there willing to explore it.

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Vexer wrote:
H.I. McDonough wrote:
People in general are just waaaaayyyyy too into sex, if you ask me. It's kind of funny how so much time is devoted to something that was just fundamentally designed to continue the species -- even to the point of 'cheating the system,' so to speak (i.e. condoms, birth control, contraception, etc.) all for the sake of a few minutes of physical pleasure. :?

If it's only a few minute, then you must be doing something wrong :lol:


LMAO!!!


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Some guy came to my movie theater the other day and informed me that it was "filthy."

Someone put up that Nic Cage meme.

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StatGuy2000 wrote:
Vexer wrote:
H.I. McDonough wrote:
People in general are just waaaaayyyyy too into sex, if you ask me. It's kind of funny how so much time is devoted to something that was just fundamentally designed to continue the species -- even to the point of 'cheating the system,' so to speak (i.e. condoms, birth control, contraception, etc.) all for the sake of a few minutes of physical pleasure. :?

If it's only a few minute, then you must be doing something wrong :lol:


LMAO!!!

Yes indeed, Vex and his old taking-you-literally wit. ;)

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It's definitely put on a pedestal too much. Teenagers can't help doing that though, and you can't really blame them. But it shouldn't be the main focus of someone's life. The great joke in Chronicle was that even after they became super-powered gods, they still felt completely subservient to social norms and getting laid in their particular social sphere. The sad part is, it felt very realistic and believable in that sense.

Leveling a city and flying around the world like superman are both inconsequential next to facebook etiquette.

The trouble is, most of them go out and lose their virginity seemingly purely for the sake of it. Suddenly you're considered a loser if you're still a virgin in your 20's (or later). As one of my former co-workers once quipped, 'there's nothing someone else's genitalia can do that your hand can't, kids.' :lol:


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Jon isn't a sex addict nor is there any attempt to portray him as such. He's a porn addict and the movie goes to great lengths to differentiate "porn" from "sex." In fact, the difference is part of the theme. Now, you might argue there's no such thing as "porn addiction" but psychologists and psychiatrists are split on that issue. Seems to me that pretty much anything can cause unhealthily compulsive behavior if taken to extremes. Whether or not that constitutes addiction is another matter. At no point during DON JON is Jon's obsession with porn presented as a classic addiction, so the film works just as well if you don't view it as an "addiction." The film works just a well whether you view Jon's situation as one of addiction or obsession.


No the movie is quite clear in portraying Jon as borderline OCD with his cleaning behavior which everyone notes and his repetitive ritualistic behavior with working out,picking up girls and going to church. There is a reason the scenes are shot and edited in exactly the same way each time. Whether the porn is part a separate mental health problem or is another accompanying OCD behavior is never made clear. His actual sexual activity is shown as a classic sex "addict" with doing it excessively(10 times a day) with porn as an aid then doing it with anyone he can find and still doing again even while they are still there. Jon even openly compares himself to a drug addict and Julianne Moore seems to back that idea with some of her dialogue.

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DON JON is more straightforward but this condition, however you choose to categorize it, DOES exist, and I'm glad there are movies out there willing to explore it.


No it doesn't exist outside of the self serving byzantine politics of the people who put together the DSM-V Handbook. Your confusing symptoms for a disease. If you changed sex or porn for spending too much time and money with model trains,painting Warhammer figures or fantasy football would it be classified as an entry into a mental health handbook? No. Yet any activity becoming consuming and obsessive says something else is going on underneath.


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Yet any activity becoming consuming and obsessive says something else is going on underneath.


If you look at his family, it's not hard to guess what that "underneath" is.


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