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"Some Like It Hot" Guys in drag trying to actually pass as women in an all girl band, Tony Curtis posing as a rich guy to get the girl.... nothing of this even remotely works for me. It's jut painful to watch.

I agree with "The Bridge Over The River Kwai" and "Doctor Zhivago" - both are absolutely boring, dragged out and pretentions in my opinion.

"The Quiet Man" that's a movie I want to like - but I just can't.

"The Sound Of Music" here's another person who can't stand this.

Well I still have to see quite a lot of the "classics".

Just a few closing words: I saw "2001" twice on a very large screen in genuine 70mm. It's simply breathtaking. It doesn't work on smaller screens. I saw it once on tv (letterboxed). It didn't work. Many scenes seem overlong and pointless - and why no cuts? If you see it in 70mm on a large screen it all makes sense: you have time to look around and absorb all the details and the typical Kubrick lensing complete with fisheye lens distortion and deep focus. Many of Kubrick's movies seem to take place in a parallel universe, strangely familiar and nightmarish at times (A Clockwork Orange and the Shining are two other examples). Pure genius.


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"Rocky". With the exception of the first and last ten minutes, it's dreadfully paced. Plus, I live about 15-20 min. East of Philadelphia, where I'm pretty sure it's the law to like it. :D

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"Rocky". With the exception of the first and last ten minutes, it's dreadfully paced. Plus, I live about 15-20 min. East of Philadelphia, where I'm pretty sure it's the law to like it. :D


Sounds like someone wanted more Rocky smash-smash and less Rocky drama-romance. I think it's a fine film

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This thread is kind of similar to the unpopular opinion one...

I also like Rocky in that, after years of hearing about its legend, it is pleasantly more low key than I expected. Adrian is a pretty unique and realistic love interest for this genre, which makes their romance effective.


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This thread's definitely good for elevating the ol' blood pressure. Several of the films that made my most recent top 10 have been namechecked multiple times, including the top two.

Deep healing breath, Ken...

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Not a fan of Frank Capra at all, his films are just too damn sentimental for my tastes. Also not a fan of Citizen Kane in the least, i'm completely dumbfounded as to how it ends up on so many top movie lists. Heck even Welles himself admitted to not liking Kane.

Not a fan of the LOTR films at all, I just find them boring and uninteresting.

Drive-Not terrible but definitely nowhere near as good as critics made it out to be, for me "Only God Forgives" was a far superior effort.

Shame-Who knew that a film about sex addiction could be so goddamn boring?

We Need To Talk About Kevin-Badly acted film that comes across as incredibly insulting and disrespectful in how it's presents it's subject matter.

Funny Games-I know what this film was trying to accomplish, and that dosen't make me like it anymore, I don't like films that go out of their way to insult the audience, and all this movie did was make me want to watch those so-called "torture porn" films that Hanecke condemned even more.


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Man, Vexer, I was just kidding about this being like the "unpopular opinion" thread. :lol: No need to lift it wholesale from that thread. Except from the first paragraph, all other movies you listed don't fit the thread title at all.


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Man, Vexer, I was just kidding about this being like the "unpopular opinion" thread. :lol: No need to lift it wholesale from that thread. Except from the first paragraph, all other movies you listed don't fit the thread title at all.

How do they not fit? I've heard all of these films called "classics" by quite a few people.


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LOTR maybe, just maybe. But Shame, We Need to Talk About Kevin, Drive, and Funny Games being called classics now? You have some weird people to hear from about such matters.


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LOTR maybe, just maybe. But Shame, We Need to Talk About Kevin, Drive, and Funny Games being called classics now? You have some weird people to hear from about such matters.

Well the original post in this thread didn't really give a definition as to what "classic" entailed, so I assumed it meant critically acclaimed films.


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LOTR maybe, just maybe. But Shame, We Need to Talk About Kevin, Drive, and Funny Games being called classics now? You have some weird people to hear from about such matters.

Well the original post in this thread didn't really give a definition as to what "classic" entailed, so I assumed it meant critically acclaimed films.


This points to the main problem: there's no universal defintion of what constitutes a classic.

A while back on here I recall a discussion of the use of the term "instant classic" and how that term is actually quite ridiculous. I went back and pulled up that thread and found I had made the following observation.

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I've walked out of many films thinking they were great. But the only time I ever think I immediately called a film a classic after a first viewing was Magnolia. I agree with the previous observation that a film should be given a decade before judgment is passed on whether or not it's a classic. Magnolia's a classic since I've had almost 13 years to judge it. On the other hand, American Beauty still holds up as a good movie. But I don't quite see it as a classic. I like The Descendants a lot. But I don't know if I'll be calling it a classic in ten years.


And I maintain that's the best way to judge a film in that regard. Let's consider a few recent examples.

Right after The Departed was released, there was much use of the term "instant classic" and many people were saying it was on a par with Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas. From the standpoint of seven years later, there's a sense it may have been a tad overpraised. But I don't think there's a massive wave of antipathy towards it. It may not quite reach the level of the three aforemetnioned films. But it's still upper tier Scorsese. Of the nominated films that year (Children Of Men and Pan's Labyrinth were criminally overlooked) the only real competitor to The Departed was Babel.

Crash was regarded as a classic by quite a few people back in 2005. Today it frequently pops up on lists of most overrated recent movies. That's an assesment I'm inclined to agree with, although I wasn't one of the ones mad because Brokeback Mountain lost. Among the nominated films that year both Munich and Good Night And Good Luck were ahead of Crash.

The Artist took home the Best Picture Oscar and was was highly praised. Two years later it seems to have been more or less forgotten by much of the general public and those who do remember it regard it as a novelty picture. Likewise The King's Speech beat The Social Network at the Oscars. But three years later The Social Network is regarded as one of the best movies of recent years (still too early to determine whether it's classic or not) while The King's Speech seems to have either been forgotten or written off as Oscar bait by a significant portion of the public.

As far as the ones you mentioned I have yet to see We Need To Talk About Kevin. I liked even loved Drive. Once the ten years are up it might not reach full level of new classic. But I strongly suspect it will be close or at least on the list of best films of the past 10 years. Shame I'm not too sure about.

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Yeah, if there is one universally necessary requirement for something to be considered a classic--really, in this context, the one and only requirement--it's longevity. Something has to prove its enduring value over time and reward people for returning to it over the years, despite changing times and tastes. If it can do that, it's a classic. If it can't, then you know.

In a different context, a classic is more of a definitive example of something. Again, I think the benefit of hindsight is an important factor, but maybe not the determining one. For example, Halloween as a classic slasher.

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I have a hard and fast rule - I wait a decade before considering any kind of film to be a classic or landmark film. The status of greatness takes time to develop. It doesn't happen overnight.

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A more traditional example of a classic I dislike is Citizen Kane, i'm sorry but I will never understood what's so great about that film or why it's on so many best movie lists, and i'm not alone, Welles himself hated the film.


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A more traditional example of a classic I dislike is Citizen Kane, i'm sorry but I will never understood what's so great about that film or why it's on so many best movie lists, and i'm not alone, Welles himself hated the film.


Show me a source saying so please

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Vexer wrote:
A more traditional example of a classic I dislike is Citizen Kane, i'm sorry but I will never understood what's so great about that film or why it's on so many best movie lists, and i'm not alone, Welles himself hated the film.


Show me a source saying so please
His quote in a 1960 interview "I'm ashamed of Rosebud. I think it's a rather tawdry device. It's the thing I like least in Kane. It's kind of a dollar-book Freudian gag, you know. It doesn't stand up very well."


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Vexer wrote:
A more traditional example of a classic I dislike is Citizen Kane, i'm sorry but I will never understood what's so great about that film or why it's on so many best movie lists, and i'm not alone, Welles himself hated the film.


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His quote in a 1960 interview "I'm ashamed of Rosebud. I think it's a rather tawdry device. It's the thing I like least in Kane. It's kind of a dollar-book Freudian gag, you know. It doesn't stand up very well."


Surely Vexer even you would not try to claim that an artist saying he didn't like one aspect of a movie is not the same as saying he "hated the film"

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Ok maybe hate wasn't the right word, but he sure didn't view the film nearly as highly as most critics did, and he got annoyed that Kane was the only of his that anyone ever wanted to talk about.


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Post Re: "Classics" that you dislike
While I wouldn't use the word 'dislike,' there are definitely a lot of acclaimed movies from the '90s to which I would apply the 'massively overrated' tag:
"GoodFellas"
"Dances with Wolves"
"Schindler's List"
"Braveheart"
"The Usual Suspects"
"The English Patient"
'Titanic"
"Shakespeare in Love"
"Saving Private Ryan"
"The Matrix"
"The Sixth Sense"

And I suppose a case could also be made for these as well: "Forrest Gump," "The Shawshank Redemption," "American Beauty"


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A few months ago I finally watched the Princess Bride. And I still try to understand how this OK movie became such a critically acclaimed sacred cow.
Shrek achieved the same goals considerably better and I would take any day Eddie Murphy's hilarious donkey over Wallace Shawn's irritating Vizzini (not to mention that Michael Myers and Cameron Diaz make for a much more appealing couple than Cary Elwes and Robin Wright).

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