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Has this actually been confirmed? Either way, they can't not do a Lex Luthor story. The character is nearly as important in the Superman cast as Lois Lane. You might as well complain about The Dark Knight for using the Joker.


Yes. It's going to be Bryan Cranston from Breaking Bad.

http://news.sky.com/story/1133594/bryan ... -in-sequel


I saw Bryan Cranston on an improv comedy show (similar to Who's Line is it Anyway) a number of years ago. It seems like this was around the time he was playing Malcolm's dad or maybe Seinfeld's dentist. Incredible comedian and proving to be very diverse in performance talent. I love the guy and have NEVER seen "Breaking Bad".
-and at this point I've completely forgotten where the hell I was going with this post, but didn't feel like deleting it. Ima go drink some coffee now and maybe be back later. :? :oops:

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I don't think it's unfair to equate movie talk with political talk. Both inevitably lead to heated arguments. One thing I wish people would keep in mind though: there's a difference between fighting for an underdog and fighting for something that already succeeded in a massive way. I mean, I think Pawn Shop Chronicles is the year's best movie so far. Under the right circumstances, you really could make a positive difference for that movie's promotion. But Nolan's Batman films don't need anymore promotion; they grossed a billion apiece and were critically acclaimed. And they don't really need defending anymore than Gone with the Wind does. Charities don't donate to the rich. And if his fans didn't act the way they do, I would have much less to say about it.

It's really just that claiming his Batman movies to be the best for all time, no matter how many more are made, is a disrespectful thing to say. It's puzzling to me that you don't understand why it's disrespectful. Because what about people who are fans of the character and place the character above any individual incarnation? What about the people who just didn't like those movies and are hoping for something that may offer a different appeal in the future? What about artists who see something different in Batman that Nolan didn't touch on? This thread is supposed to be about Affleck's future in the role, not re-asserting a promotion blurb which has already been said 10000000 times.


Holy shit dude, take a chill pill. I'm sure the next incarnation of Batman will please some people more than me. All I'm doing is making a prediction. Hey, id love to be wrong.

And as for promoting "underdog" movies? I do it all the time. My favorites of the year so far include FRUITVALE SATION, DISCONNECT, and BLUE JASMINE, amongst other non-box office-juggernauts.

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I saw Bryan Cranston on an improv comedy show (similar to Who's Line is it Anyway) a number of years ago. It seems like this was around the time he was playing Malcolm's dad or maybe Seinfeld's dentist. Incredible comedian and proving to be very diverse in performance talent. I love the guy and have NEVER seen "Breaking Bad".
-and at this point I've completely forgotten where the hell I was going with this post, but didn't feel like deleting it. Ima go drink some coffee now and maybe be back later. :? :oops:


I've never seen Cranston in comedy roles; I know him purely through Breaking Bad, so reading about his effective comedy is interesting. He seemed to be very excellent match for Lex Luthor then, a blend of menace and comic. His menace in Breaking Bad is incredible.


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I saw Bryan Cranston on an improv comedy show (similar to Who's Line is it Anyway) a number of years ago. It seems like this was around the time he was playing Malcolm's dad or maybe Seinfeld's dentist. Incredible comedian and proving to be very diverse in performance talent. I love the guy and have NEVER seen "Breaking Bad".
-and at this point I've completely forgotten where the hell I was going with this post, but didn't feel like deleting it. Ima go drink some coffee now and maybe be back later. :? :oops:


I've never seen Cranston in comedy roles; I know him purely through Breaking Bad, so reading about his effective comedy is interesting. He seemed to be very excellent match for Lex Luthor then, a blend of menace and comic. His menace in Breaking Bad is incredible.


-and I have never seen him in a non-comedic role. I found this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ19KnbMKp4

Should be interesting as Luther.

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It's not going to be Cranston.

I'm in a hurry at the moment, but if anybody wants confirmation, I assume the news will be common currency soon enough.

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I love Christopher Nolan, clearly a lot more than you MGames. I like all the movies that he's directed. And I like him as a director more than all of the directors you listed that are blending mainstream and art house movies. That doesn't mean that I think he's the only director doing in. We must understand subjectivity a different way.


We do understand it differently, because I understand that film is really a matter of objectivity. I already knew that you liked Nolan better than all those other directors, which is why I listed them specifically. I hate Nolan as a person, I hate his movies. I don't think he has a style or a sense of film direction at all. I made two videos about a year and half ago detailing the objective visual flaws in The Dark Knight, I would do the same for Inception if I could even get myself to watch that film all the way through, but I can't. Everyone has a right to an opinion, per se, but some are more informed than others.

His Batman movies are just poorly executed on many levels. The cinematography is too damp and dreary. The editing has no sharpness, it looks like raw footage is just being cut together at random sometimes. The story moves at the pace of a snail. Many plot and character elements don't make sense. Dent's gonna shoot a child just because his girlfriend died? Dude needs to man up. And the citizens of Gotham can't handle the failure of the "white knight." Give me a break. The mobsters look like actors, not mobsters. The whole first third of the movie, involving the Chinese money-holder in Hong Kong, is unnecessary and adds nothing to the plot and nothing to the film except a higher budget. The action is impossible to follow. The final building fight with the sonar vision is one of the most incoherent sequences I've ever seen. It's also just a very cynical movie which tries way too hard to make a viewer feel bad about life and human nature. Then it tries to be "dark" by killing off Batman's girlfriend, but really that's no darker than the average movie. It takes itself seriously, but it's no darker than any other average action movie. Even Snyder's Legend of the Guardians is darker with themes of sibling betrayal, children having to utilize violence, and fascistic inclinations.

Snyder's movies are challenging and provocative. He's not afraid to antagonize viewers, which is what a director is supposed to do. Nolan is just a gift-bearer. He gives his audience exactly what they want to see. He stands in every way for complacency.

Perhaps Nolan's approach reminds some people of TV. Personally, I haven't watched a TV show in about 8 years. I used to watch a little Friends with my mom, but that was it. TV is where Nolan probably belongs.


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I actually agree with a lot of those points about the Dark Knight. In fact its my least favorite movie in the trilogy, mostly for the reasons you listed, and it even bothers me sometimes that those issues seem so overlooked. I don't think those things really warrant your scathing opinion of Nolan though. You hate him because you think his movies are bland? Seems a little extreme.

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I actually agree with a lot of those points about the Dark Knight. In fact its my least favorite movie in the trilogy, mostly for the reasons you listed, and it even bothers me sometimes that those issues seem so overlooked. I don't think those things really warrant your scathing opinion of Nolan though. You hate him because you think his movies are bland? Seems a little extreme.


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I don't think those things really warrant your scathing opinion of Nolan though. You hate him because you think his movies are bland? Seems a little extreme.


Time will tell if you're right. I'm remaining moderately optimistic about Interstellar. I'm a sucker for space movies. I thought Rises had some decent scenes at least. The opening plane scene was cool. The tunnel chase was kind of interesting, as was the ice lake (though no more so than in RE5 or Skyfall). But I think it's also fair to just simply say: too much talking. I think you can only have so much dialogue before it starts to weigh a movie down. Nolan's movies are wordy. Most Bond movies, even some bad ones, have sequences of no dialogue, based entirely on visuals and physicality. Nolan has tried that only once in his career so far: the zero-G scene of Inception. That's the reason why I'm interested in Interstellar. Their in space, so we should see that again.....right?

I suppose I hate the image of the man, not the man himself. At the end of the day, I go to a movie to see things, not to hear things. One of the best things to do with any script is to go through it with a fine comb and see how many lines of dialogue you can convert into lines of description. Filmmaking is sort of an exponential process, which is both good news and bad news. Because you get one key thing wrong, the problem branches out into other areas. But in the opposite sense, solving one issue will often allow other issues to solve themselves.


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MGames, I agree to some extent with your analysis of the Dark Knight. Most of those problems you list do exist, especially, as Gedmund says, in the second of the trilogy. But like Homer Simpson once said “you can prove anything with facts”.

I’ll defend Nolan to the point that creating a part-way realistic Batman film, and its world, is damn hard. You really are starting off on a steep incline with that task. And the “dreary” or washed-out cinematography you mention is actually a tool of attempting to make that work, and you know this.

This also goes for the tone, and the sometimes low-key and kind of abstract portrayal of Batman that Christian Bale gives. Apart from Caine and Freeman who offer a more direct kind of observation of commentary of events; all the remaining characters are forced to occupy the small space the project allows between reality and a world where Batman could exist. Now, you may not like Nolan as a film maker, and I have some reservations about him myself, but this is not carelessness on his part. It’s walking a tightrope and swaying from side-to-side with every gust of wind. You don’t like Nolan’s Batmans, which is fair enough. But he is not trying to con anyone, nor is he lazy or reckless. He may be mistaken, but that’s another argument.

And Snyder is far from perfect. Man of Steel has some real problems. The fight sequences are incoherent. The dialogue gives some real WTF moments; and most of the human emotion of the film is anchored on a Costner performance that lasts about 4 minutes out of 2 hours.

Snyder is far from perfect. He has undoubted talent, but how many of his films could you watch in a row without freaking out? 300 is meant to be over the top, sure, but it's over the top even by the standards of a bucket of demented frogs.

Watchmen is 40 minutes of genius contained in 2 and a half hours of mind-bludgening chaos. And Man of Steel hardly proves his departure from any of this.

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Watchmen is definitely Snyder's high point for me. It's as good an adaptation of the source material as there could be. Then again, I enjoyed Sucker Punch.

Man of Steel was a huge disappointment, however.


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Snyder's movies are challenging and provocative. He's not afraid to antagonize viewers, which is what a director is supposed to do. Nolan is just a gift-bearer. He gives his audience exactly what they want to see. He stands in every way for complacency.

Hello MGamesCook
what is wrong with giving people exactly what they want?

I am of the opinion that Dark Knight is the finest comic book adaptation ever. 300 and watchmen would be a close second/third.
No matter what they do with Ben Affleck's batman I will be amazed if it is any better.
I believe that Nolan is fine director but I believe his best film so far was Momento, which is ironic seeing that it was one of his first.


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Hello MGamesCook
what is wrong with giving people exactly what they want?

I am of the opinion that Dark Knight is the finest comic book adaptation ever. 300 and watchmen would be a close second/third.
No matter what they do with Ben Affleck's batman I will be amazed if it is any better.
I believe that Nolan is fine director but I believe his best film so far was Momento, which is ironic seeing that it was one of his first.


Well Memento was also before he became King Blockbuster. From Memento to Prestige, I never had a problem with Nolan. My problem began when Nolan became the new face of blockbuster filmmaking. Batman Begins definitely got its share of praise. And why not? It's not a bad movie, and I thought it was a pretty good representation of Batman at the time. Most importantly, fans' reaction to Batman Begins was tempered, normal, respectable. People loved the film, but kept things in perspective. I have genuine respect for the Nolan promoters of 2005 and 2006.

Not so with The Dark Knight, which inspired what I consider to be borderline-insanity among fans. Why? I'm still not sure. Perhaps I've been slightly unfair at times in blaming it entirely on the movie itself. But you know, when a person really likes something, it's on their shoulders to keep things in perspective. Zealous haters exist because of zealous fans, and when fans don't keep their enthusiasm in check, they shouldn't expect anything else. And honestly, keeping a perspective on things is not a lot to ask. It's this mentality that Nolan's movies can't be good unless they're great.

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what is wrong with giving people exactly what they want?


Good movies should be challenging. A good director is his own acquired taste. He doesn't conform to a taste that already exists.

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The fight sequences are incoherent


But this is a fact which can be disproven for Man of Steel. They hold up to scrutiny.

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And the “dreary” or washed-out cinematography you mention is actually a tool of attempting to make that work, and you know this.


I do, I just think it's done better in Taken, which is a more complete realization of the aesthetic. The camera focusing on individual objects with lighting that looks natural. The Dark Knight feels more unnatural, mainly because the set pieces look constructed and there's too many of them. They look constructed because the spaces themselves look barren. Like weirdly barren. For instance, Batman's underground layer of white flourescence: why does it have to be that big? Why is Lau chilling in a gigantic office building so late at night? Doesn't he have a house somewhere to go home to? Why are there two little kids chilling in the back of a car among a ridiculously large number of parked, empty (abandoned?) vehicles. Why did Joker bother dressing up as a nurse if he was gonna leave his makeup intact? And the final action set piece in the Trump Tower is much better lit than it should be. And more generally, there's times when there's just nobody around. During the central car chase, the fire escapes are notably barren. I think when a big car chase like that is happening, people like to come out and watch. Like the opening shot: the building that those thugs shoot the grapple hook out of. Aren't there people working in that building? Wouldn't somebody notice them? And if you look at the shot of them sliding across, there are no pedestrians on the street. And then the shot which pulls in on the mask at the intersection (the guy who turns out to be the Joker), there are pedestrians in the background, but no cars and no pedestrians walking in between the Joker and the camera. Why are all those other walkways busy with pedestrians, but this one isn't?

Add to that the sheer number of blank walls in this movie. It's not realism so much as lack of set decoration. Gotham isn't the town of corruption so much as the town of empty space. The restaurant where Dent and Rachel have their date is amazingly large: it's supposed to be a nice restaurant, not a bar mitzvah venue.

How does the Joker know exactly how long to make the rope so that he drops the fake Batman corpse to land specifically at the window of the Mayor? How did Joker print "will the real Batman please stand up?" on the card? You need a specialist to do that. One of the most common problems for beginner screenwriters is writing too many parts in the first draft. Nolan exhibits that problem here, giving close-ups and important dialogue to people who are really just extras.

It's true that anything can be proven with facts, but that's why I kinda prefer not to think of movies in terms of good vs. bad. Better to think more in terms of objective aesthetics. Crane vs. Handheld, saturated color vs. desaturated, flashy editing vs. more conventional editing, etc. Then it's just a question of how they relate to the material. And the objective crossovers are fascinating. Taken has a lot of handheld and flashy editing. Running Scared has flashy editing, but less handheld. Man of Steel has a lot of handheld, but straightforward editing, etc. Aesthetic extremes are interesting to me, simply because they often are so irrefutably objective.


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How the heck is any of Zack Snyder's movies provocative and challenging? I mean, seriously? Dawn of the Dead and Sucker Punch and the Owl movie (don't remember it's title) and 300 are challenging?!! The only movie of his, that you MIGHT be able to call provocative and challenging is Watchmen. But that's the only Zack Snyder movie that you could call that.

I actually have nothing against Snyder for the most part. I've enjoyed most of his movies. In fact, 300 is the only one I outright didn't like and also found Man of Steel to be rather disappointing because of how he handled the fight scenes in the second half of the movie.

In the end it's all subjective. I love Christopher Nolan, not all of his movies are perfect. I actually do think some people overpraise Inception a little. I think it's a great movie but hardly a masterpiece. But my favorite movies of his easily is the Batman trilogy, Memento and Insomnia.


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I could see where maybe after a first viewing, Steel's fight scenes would seem messy because of how he cuts continuously between three different parts of the world. I could admit that cutting back and forth from Superman fighting the metallic tentacles in India to Perry White outrunning rubble in Metropolis to the Airforce trying different attacks against Zod's giant ship to Zod and Jor El having a debate on their ship all the way up in the Arctic is a bit much. But the more you watch it, the less it becomes an issue.

300 and Watchmen certainly don't hold back on the sex and violence. In fact, Snyder is pretty much the only Hollywood director working right now who does sex scenes. During that part of his career, at least, he plunged headfirst into borderline-grindhouse material, and proved that beneath it lays a very innocent emotional power. Rorschach's death and the scene where the 300 narrator returns the necklace to Gerard Butler's wife I found to be quite powerful.

I won't try to defend Sucker Punch, but his Owl animation movie, Legend of the Guardians, matches Tintin for sheer craziness and fluidity of the simulated camera movements. It also feels subversive in that he repeats his survival of the fittest theme from 300. Two kids sent out into the wild to fight each other, only one of them comes back. Steel, as well, delves into the theme of superior bloodlines, may the best line survive.

Steel in particular is provocative in its unflinching evocation of 9/11. It does for superhero films what War of the Worlds did for disaster films: forcing the viewer to confront the sheer horror of the spectacle even while being awed. Snyder doesn't hold back the truth of the situations he depicts. For instance, he conveys a chilling sense that the kids in the school bus are really about to drown before Clark saves them. And the controversial ending may have put some people off, but I think it's necessary in showing the real truth about heroism (in Guardians, the young owl has to "do the right thing" by impaling the villain with a stick). He also takes realism to a truly raw, Majesty's Secret Service, level. There's times when it's almost The Long Goodbye with Superman. A quasi-collage aesthetic.


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People wanted to hear Bale's Batman with a different voice. Here's their chance.

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BURBANK, CA, January 31, 2014 – Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Jesse Eisenberg has been set to star as Lex Luthor and Jeremy Irons will play Alfred in the upcoming Zack Snyder untitled Superman/Batman film. The dual announcement was made today by Greg Silverman, President, Creative Development and Worldwide Production, and Sue Kroll, President, Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures.

Snyder stated, “Lex Luthor is often considered the most notorious of Superman’s rivals, his unsavory reputation preceding him since 1940. What’s great about Lex is that he exists beyond the confines of the stereotypical nefarious villain. He’s a complicated and sophisticated character whose intellect, wealth and prominence position him as one of the few mortals able to challenge the incredible might of Superman. Having Jesse in the role allows us to explore that interesting dynamic, and also take the character in some new and unexpected directions.”

The director added, “As everyone knows, Alfred is Bruce Wayne’s most trusted friend, ally and mentor, a noble guardian and father figure. He is an absolutely critical element in the intricate infrastructure that allows Bruce Wayne to transform himself into Batman. It is an honor to have such an amazingly seasoned and gifted actor as Jeremy taking on the important role of the man who mentors and guides the guarded and nearly impervious façade that encapsulates Bruce Wayne.”


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Jeremy Irons is a cool choice. I have trouble imagining Eisenberg with other cast members though, especially for the age difference. So young evil genius type, like Mark Zuckerberg gone berserk?

And I guess Eisenberg has to go bald... another weird mental image.


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They could give him the George Costanza classic horseshoe pattern.

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So after researching a bit it appears Eisenberg and Cavill are the same age. Wouldn't have guessed that. The age appearance disconnect still stands though (not having a problem with that; just thinking the dynamics are going to be pretty different from previous incarnations).

A comment gave me a chuckle: "The casting director clearly misheard "Get me Heisenberg!""


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As always, I read casting news like this as "hmmmmm, interesting" and not much more. Even though I believe there are way too many superhero movies nowadays, I will say that a vast majority of them, judging by the finished product, are at least well-cast. The really, REALLY bad examples IMHO like Halle Berry as Catwoman and Topher Grace as Venom are few and far between.

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