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Ranking Martin Scorsese films with the Tier approach. 
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After re-watching Casino today and thinking about the upcoming WOlf Of Wall Street I figured it was time. So without further ado:

Great:
Taxi Driver
Goodfellas
Raging Bull
The Last Waltz

Very Good:
The Departed
The Age Of Innocence
The Last Temptation Of Christ
Mean Streets
Casino
Shine A Light

Pretty Good:
Bringing Out The Dead
Hugo
Gangs Of New York
Shutter Island
After Hours
The King Of Comedy
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
The Aviator

Lesser. But still worth viewing:
Cape Fear
The Color Of Money
Boxcar Bertha
Who's That Knocking At My Door
New York New York
Kundun

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Haha, I was prepared to come in here and rage if any of your tiers strayed too far below the realm of "pretty good".

Commendable work. I might work up a non-comprehensive list over the weekend.

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This should be interesting...

Pretty Good:
Hugo
Casino
The Departed
Taxi Driver

Good:
Raging Bull
Goodfellas
Cape Fear

Average or Poor:
Shutter Island
Mean Streets
Gangs of New York

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Great:
Taxi Driver
The Departed
Hugo
The Last Temptation of Christ
After Hours

Very Good:
Goodfellas
The Last Waltz
The Blues: Feel Like Going Home
Bringing Out the Dead

Good:
The Aviator
Raging Bull

Average:
Gangs of New York
New York, New York
The Color of Money

Bad:
Shine a Light

I'm including his episode of the Blues, which was made for television but feels more like a documentary movie. I'd include his Bob Dylan and George Harrison documentaries, too, if I ever see them. I don't care for his Stones documentary, but he otherwise is very skilled at making them.

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Tier 1 - Great by all standards

Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
Goodfellas

Tier 2 - Very good by Scorsese standards, great by all others

Mean Streets
Last Temptation of Christ
Bringing out the Dead

Tier 3 - Good by Scorsese standards - very good by all others

Casino
The Departed
The Color of Money

Tier 4 - Mediocre by Scorsese standards, good films by all others

The Aviator
Cape Fear

Tier 5 - Poor by Scorsese standards, reasonable films by all others (not a compliment)

Shutter Island
Gangs of New York

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Brilliant:
"Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
"Taxi Driver"
"Raging Bull"
"The King of Comedy"
"The Last Temptation of Christ"
"Casino"
"The Departed"

Very Good:
"Who's That Knocking at My Door"
"Mean Streets"
"The Last Waltz"
"After Hours"
"A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies"
"My Voyage to Italy"
"No Direction Home: Bob Dylan"
"George Harrison: Living in the Material World"
"Hugo"

Good:
"Boxcar Bertha"
"New York, New York"
"GoodFellas"
"The Age of Innocence"
"Bringing Out the Dead"
"Shine a Light"
"Shutter Island"

Decent:
"The Color of Money"
"Cape Fear"
"Kundun"
"Gangs of New York"
"The Aviator"


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Great with a capital "G"
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver

Exceptionally Good
Casino

Very Good
Gangs of New York
After Hours
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
Hugo

Solid
Cape Fear
Shutter Island
The Aviator
The Departed

Movies Other People Think Are Great That I Wish I Did Too But I Just Don't Quite
Raging Bull
Mean Streets
Bringing Out the Dead

And the only Scorsese Movie I Haven't Given At Least 3 Stars to
The Color of Money

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Syd Henderson wrote:
I don't care for his Stones documentary, but he otherwise is very skilled at making them.

"Shine a Light" would've likely been better had The Stones played ONLY songs from their 'Golden Era' (i.e. 1963-1974). :ugeek:


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JamesKunz wrote:
Great with a capital "G"
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver

Exceptionally Good
Casino

Very Good
Gangs of New York
After Hours
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
Hugo

Solid
Cape Fear
Shutter Island
The Aviator
The Departed

Movies Other People Think Are Great That I Wish I Did Too But I Just Don't Quite
Raging Bull
Mean Streets
Bringing Out the Dead

And the only Scorsese Movie I Haven't Given At Least 3 Stars to
The Color of Money


A disturbingly high ranking for Gangs of New York there.

I'd consider it one of his worst ever.

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A disturbingly high ranking for Gangs of New York there.

I'd consider it one of his worst ever.


Does Gangs of New York work perfectly? Nope, not at all. There are two dozen things about the movie I might change. BUT it is as good as any movie I've seen at creating and fully inhabiting a world. I don't care that much for the main characters or the central plot thread. But I love that world.

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Excellent:

Goodfellas
Bringing Out the Dead
Gangs of New York
The Aviator
The Departed
Hugo
Shutter Island


Very Good:

Casino


Decent:

Raging Bull
Cape Fear
The King of Comedy



The reason why I have Raging Bull in my decent group is because to me that movie is one of those movies that is easy to admire but difficult to love.


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JamesKunz wrote:
Does Gangs of New York work perfectly? Nope, not at all. There are two dozen things about the movie I might change. BUT it is as good as any movie I've seen at creating and fully inhabiting a world. I don't care that much for the main characters or the central plot thread. But I love that world.


THANK YOU. I think you solved one of the greatest mysteries in my life. For years now I've been really fond of Gangs of New York without really understanding why. But I think I feel just about the same way you do.

Great

The Departed
Goodfellas

Very Good

Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
Gangs of New York
Casino
Mean Streets

Pretty Good
The Age of Innocence
Shutter Island
Cape Fear
The King of Comedy
Hugo

Meh

The Aviator
Bringing Out the Dead

Haven't Seen

The Last Waltz
The Last Temptation of Christ
Shine a Light
After Hours
Alice Doesn't Live here Anymore
The Color of Money
Boxcar Bertha
Who's that Knocking at my Door
New York New York
Kundun

Wow, this thread put how many Scorses films I haven't seen into perspective.

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JamesKunz wrote:
NotHughGrant wrote:
A disturbingly high ranking for Gangs of New York there.

I'd consider it one of his worst ever.


Does Gangs of New York work perfectly? Nope, not at all. There are two dozen things about the movie I might change. BUT it is as good as any movie I've seen at creating and fully inhabiting a world. I don't care that much for the main characters or the central plot thread. But I love that world.



It's odd for you to brush off the need for a coherent plot or well-formed main characters. Your description of why you like it reads like a begrudging endorsement of one of Tim Burton's recent failures.

I'm entertained by certain passages of Gangs of New York. But I find the film to be an awful mess. Almost soap-opera level stuff. Di Caprio is badly cast here. He's Hollywood's most overcast actor ever to begin with, but in this he doesn't convince me one iota that he is who they say he is.

And Cameron Diaz - goodness me! In another thread Threeper remarked that Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell was the definition of bad casting; for me the definition is Cameron Diaz in the Gangs of New York. Terrible stuff. The one highlight for me is the actors in the lesser roles – such as Brendon Gleeson and Jim Broadbent. But even so.

A good description of it I read on here previously was that it is like a really shit Spielberg film. In fact, you could say that about the Aviator too, although the latter as some moments of levity.

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NotHughGrant wrote:
JamesKunz wrote:
NotHughGrant wrote:
A disturbingly high ranking for Gangs of New York there.

I'd consider it one of his worst ever.


Does Gangs of New York work perfectly? Nope, not at all. There are two dozen things about the movie I might change. BUT it is as good as any movie I've seen at creating and fully inhabiting a world. I don't care that much for the main characters or the central plot thread. But I love that world.



It's odd for you to brush off the need for a coherent plot or well-formed main characters. Your description of why you like it reads like a begrudging endorsement of one of Tim Burton's recent failures.

I'm entertained by certain passages of Gangs of New York. But I find the film to be an awful mess. Almost soap-opera level stuff. Di Caprio is badly cast here. He's Hollywood's most overcast actor ever to begin with, but in this he doesn't convince me one iota that he is who they say he is.

And Cameron Diaz - goodness me! In another thread Threeper remarked that Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell was the definition of bad casting; for me the definition is Cameron Diaz in the Gangs of New York. Terrible stuff. The one highlight for me is the actors in the lesser roles – such as Brendon Gleeson and Jim Broadbent. But even so.

A good description of it I read on here previously was that it is like a really shit Spielberg film. In fact, you could say that about the Aviator too, although the latter as some moments of levity.


Hey I normally like plot and characters as much or more than the next person. But there are so few movies I feel I can truly immerse myself in, and this is one of them. Agreed that DiCaprio is unconvincing in the film, and double-agree on Cameron Diaz (if only it had been Sarah Polley like it was originally planned to be!) but I don't buy the Spielberg angle to me. This is Scorsese through and through...in some ways it's been what he had been aiming at for years: a movie *about* New York.

And there are so many pleasures in the film. Daniel Day-Lewis is amazing. I'll still take this performance over Daniel Plainview and Lincoln (barely). My man Brendon Gleeson and Jim Broadbent are terrific, as you mention. The opening and closing action sequences are very well done. John C Reilly's character has a wonderfully poetic arc. And the world, man, the world! Just watch the first 2 minutes of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAiif-W04Ig

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Great

Taxi Driver
GoodFellas
Raging Bull

Very Good

Mean Streets
The Departed
The King of Comedy
Casino
Hugo

Good

Shutter Island

Good, but lacking

Aviator
Gangs of New York

Mediocre

Cape Fear

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