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Ken. thank you. I'm going to get this put on a T-Shirt

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Avatar was hilarious, because people couldn't even agree on which previously-existing movie it was supposed to be.


I know, right?? I said this until I was blue in the face (I went there) in 2009:

If you can't decide whether it's a ripoff of Dances with Wolves, The Last Samurai, Pocahontas, Ferngully, etc., then perhaps this is a broad theme it taps into?


I ask you Reelviews forum: If that exquisite pun can't get any love, what can?

That's some inspired hilarity, sir. Tip of the cap to you.

Ken's right about Avatar. It throws bits and pieces of a thousand different idealogies so as many people as possible who care about such things in movies can grab on to something. It has the same target audience as air and water.


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Regarding Avatar......

I love it in the same way I love Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Raiders of the Lost Ark; its a superior mainstream adventure movie. Are there any insights into the human condition on par with a serious drama? No. But its as good as it gets for the type of movie it wants to be. James Cameron is definitely a polarizing filmmaker; his blockbuster movies are so hugely popular (see also Titanic) that a loud minority backlash just goes with the territory. It's human nature to tear down that which is popular with the unwashed masses.

Don't get me wrong. I believe many who criticize Avatar are voicing their real opinion. I just cant shake the feeling that the hype and popularity colors that opinion somewhat.

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Regarding Avatar......

I love it in the same way I love Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Raiders of the Lost Ark; its a superior mainstream adventure movie. Are there any insights into the human condition on par with a serious drama? No. But its as good as it gets for the type of movie it wants to be. James Cameron is definitely a polarizing filmmaker; his blockbuster movies are so hugely popular (see also Titanic) that a loud minority backlash just goes with the territory. It's human nature to tear down that which is popular with the unwashed masses.

Don't get me wrong. I believe many who criticize Avatar are voicing their real opinion. I just cant shake the feeling that the hype and popularity colors that opinion somewhat.

I don't care about the film's popularity, many of Cameron's other films were also popular, but the difference is that they were actually good film. For me Avatar was just a soulless exercise in filmmaking, with nary a compelling a moment in sight.


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I also have some heavy left political leanings, and i had some issues with the movie too. So it's not an entirely conservative thing. My biggest issue was the whole "white messiah" thing they had going on... meh.


Avatar is what I call a "white savior" film, in which a supposedly "lower" race is redeemed by the presence of a white man. So in that way it is a lot like Dances With Wolves, The Last Samurai, etc.


I think people who took this reading missed something -- Jake's whole plan fails. The rebellion he leads is one step from collapse, and the only reason they succeed is because of their deity and/or the assistance of the indigenous lifeforms, not because of him.


But the deity only heard Jake. That's a line in the film too, not an interpretation. Seems to me that it actually makes a much stronger case for the "white messiah" theme since his coming brings about the salvation of the people thanks to the deity. Sounds messianic to me.


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I've always thought that saying The Last Samurai is about a supposedly "lower" race is redeemed by the presence of a white man is both incorrect at worst and at best an oversimplification at best. It's actually more like the opposite. The "white man" is redeemed by the culture and beauty of another race. It's an absolutely beautiful movie both visually and thematically.


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-Will Ferrell can be hilarious when he's working with someone NOT named Adam McKay.

-I said that I have yet to see a good movie by Curits Hanson, but here's an addendum: I loved In Her Shoes (forgot about that one), and Chasing Mavericks was also good except that Johnny Weston cannot act (and that was partly filmed by Michael Apted (due to Hanson's health problems...I should admit that it seems to be the work of one director).

-I think that Gone with the Wind is great, but Leslie Howard is boring as hell, and the final act is straight out of a soap opera.

-I thought that Lincoln didn't make any sense.

-I enjoyed Crystal Skulls, but Steven Spielberg hasn't done anything truly amazing since Minority Report (Munich worked better as a metaphor than a narrative film).

-I didn't think that Cate Blanchett was very good in Notes on a Scandal, although I loved her in everything else she's done.

-I've seen Shame] and Hunger...and I refuse to see another movie by Steve McQueen...he's just as boring and pretentious as Wes Anderson.

-I'm not a Monty Python fan.

-I could see the humor in A Fish Called Wanda, but I found it to be completely drained of energy.

-I thought that Emma Watson was stiff as a board as Hermione Granger in the Harry Potter movies, but I loved everything else she's done.

-I thought that Magic Mike was the best film of 2012.

-Insidious is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen.

-I think that The Shawshank Redemption is probably the most overrated movie of all time, and that that and The Green Mile are shamelessly manipulative.

-I thought that Million Dollar Baby tried way too hard to be gritty and groundbreaking, and while the final act was different, the generic and pretentious nature of the first two thirds eliminated any possibility of me feeling for the characters.

-I think that Katherine Heigl has to be one of the worst actresses in human history.

-I thought Pocahantas was lame.

-I think that the reputations of Silent Night, Deadly Night and September Dawn are overblown. Neither one is as shocking or offensive as the word of mouth suggests...SNDN is too cheesy to be taken seriously and SD is too dumb to be offensive.

-I thought Lost in Translation was dumb.

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Finally someone else who's not a Monty Python fan and isn't that fond of A Fish Called Wanda! Also did not like Gone With The Wind one bit.

I dunno if you're in the minority with Insidious, most critics said it was scary, though I personally thought it was asinine.

Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better) and Green Mile

I don't think you're alone on Heigl, most critics seem to hate her in just about anything.

Lost In Translation bored me to death.

Blair Witch Project is an overrated piece of garbage and I wish that it had never been made so we wouldn't have been subjected to all those terrible Paranormal Activity films.


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Finally someone else who's not a Monty Python fan and isn't that fond of A Fish Called Wanda!


Count me in as well.


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Finally someone else who's not a Monty Python fan and isn't that fond of A Fish Called Wanda! Also did not like Gone With The Wind one bit.

I dunno if you're in the minority with Insidious, most critics said it was scary, though I personally thought it was asinine.

Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better) and Green Mile

I don't think you're alone on Heigl, most critics seem to hate her in just about anything.

Lost In Translation bored me to death.

Blair Witch Project is an overrated piece of garbage and I wish that it had never been made so we wouldn't have been subjected to all those terrible Paranormal Activity films.


Vex, are you the one who's always commenting on my movie reviews?

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Finally someone else who's not a Monty Python fan and isn't that fond of A Fish Called Wanda! Also did not like Gone With The Wind one bit.

I dunno if you're in the minority with Insidious, most critics said it was scary, though I personally thought it was asinine.

Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better) and Green Mile

I don't think you're alone on Heigl, most critics seem to hate her in just about anything.

Lost In Translation bored me to death.

Blair Witch Project is an overrated piece of garbage and I wish that it had never been made so we wouldn't have been subjected to all those terrible Paranormal Activity films.


Vex, are you the one who's always commenting on my movie reviews?

On your website?


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North by Northwest has a great story but is hurt by too jokey a tone and a REALLY annoying lead performance from Cary Grant!


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Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better)


I don't think Shawshank is the greatest film ever made. However, I'm going to call you on that challenge: I challenge you to name 100 films better than Shawshank.

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Sexual Chocolate wrote:
Vexer wrote:
Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better)


I don't think Shawshank is the greatest film ever made. However, I'm going to call you on that challenge: I challenge you to name 100 films better than Shawshank.

Ok, but I won't list them all in one post since that would be too long, so here's 50 films that I think are better:
The Departed
I Saw The Devil
Battle Royale
The Killing Fields
Purple Hearts
Under Heavy Fire
The Hurt Locker
Home Of The Brave
Memories Of Murder
12 Monkeys
Hotel Rwanda
Catch A Fire
Sin City
Blood Simple
Fargo
Scarface
Blade Runner
Snatch
Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Die Hard
Aliens
Alien
The Terminator
Batman Begins
Dark Knight
Dark Knight Rises
City Of God
Casino
Goodfellas
Fight Club
Jaws
One False Move
Natural Born Killers
Out Of Sight
Selena
United 93
Platoon
Born On The Fourth Of July
Heaven And Earth
28 Days Later
Looper
Salvador
Heartbreak Ridge
Hamburger Hill
Jackie Brown
The Deep End


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-I've seen Shame] and Hunger...and I refuse to see another movie by Steve McQueen...he's just as boring and pretentious as Wes Anderson.
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You weren't impressed at least a little by the first third of Hunger?

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Sexual Chocolate wrote:
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Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better)


I don't think Shawshank is the greatest film ever made. However, I'm going to call you on that challenge: I challenge you to name 100 films better than Shawshank.

Honestly, "Shawshank" seems far less impressive if/once you've seen Don Siegel's 1979 film "Escape from Alcatraz" (which stars Clint Eastwood). It's almost criminal (no pun intended) how many story elements Stephen King (and/or Frank Darabont) lifted from that film... albeit turning it from a suspense thriller into a prestige drama. :|


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Agreed with Shawshank Redemption(#1 on IMDB? Seriously? I can at least 100 films that are better)


I don't think Shawshank is the greatest film ever made. However, I'm going to call you on that challenge: I challenge you to name 100 films better than Shawshank.

Honestly, "Shawshank" seems far less impressive if/once you've seen Don Siegel's 1979 film "Escape from Alcatraz" (which stars Clint Eastwood). It's almost criminal (no pun intended) how many story elements Stephen King (and/or Frank Darabont) lifted from that film... albeit turning it from a suspense thriller into a prestige drama. :|


I think you're being incredibly reductive here. I might as well tell you that Siegel's film lifts many of its elements from Bresson's A Man Escaped.

...or maybe setting stories inside a prison leads to a limited number of possibilities and thus some creative overlap?

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Finally someone else who's not a Monty Python fan and isn't that fond of A Fish Called Wanda!
The mob is coming with with fish and chips. And they'll have Russian accents.

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The Star Wars prequels are about on the same level as the original trilogy. I enjoy all of them.


James review of Hangover Part III reminded me of another unpopular opinion I share:

I love The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. In fact, if I were to rank all of the Matrix movies, Reloaded is my favorite of the three.


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The Star Wars prequels are about on the same level as the original trilogy. I enjoy all of them.


James review of Hangover Part III reminded me of another unpopular opinion I share:

I love The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. In fact, if I were to rank all of the Matrix movies, Reloaded is my favorite of the three.

Agreed, I also liked the Back To The Future sequels.


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