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Steven Soderbergh on the state of Cinema. 
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http://www.deadline.com/2013/04/steven-soderbergh-state-of-cinema-address/

It's one thing for a critic to say. But its another when a (albeit soon to be retired) Hollywood director does.

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You're absolutely right. Soderbergh's thoughts echo JB's on a lot of levels, about how everything now is ALL about the bottom line. No wonder he's retiring. That paragraph about how fewer and fewer executives are in the business because they really love movies is quite disturbing. Seems like all most of these guys really love is money. How you get to it is irrelevant.

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Interesting article but I have to agree with the comments on the site about Steve coming off as hypocritical, some of the things he says are downright ludicrous, how did he know that the guy on the plane would be watching action sceens for 5/1/2 hours? What makes him think people care more about Sopranos then someone getting stoned?

I've found his filmography to very hit and miss, I enjoyed the Oceans films and Haywire, but found Side Effects, Magic Mike and Contagion to be extremely mediocre and forgettable.

There's nothing new about what he's saying here, people have been saying the same thing about Hollywood for the past 20 years or so. What I wonder is why he dosen't just start his own movie studio so he can make the films he wants to?


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Does his rant contain a mea culpa for the laughably bad Magic Mike?

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The problem with what Soderbergh is saying is that he is saying on the heels of what not just me, but a lot of people declared 2012 to be a great year for movies. Both mainstream hollywood movies AND independent films as well. 2012 was an absolute stellar year. So when I hear somebody bitch about the current state of cinema, I say, yeah, right. Clearly you saw no movies last year.


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Does his rant contain a mea culpa for the laughably bad Magic Mike?

He said the film tested very poorly, gee it couldn't possibly be because it just wasn't a very good movie now could it?

I think Steve would benefit more from actually trying to start his own production company rather then just doing another anti-Hollywood rant which most of us have already heard before in one form or another.

Oh and the guy on the plane actually posted in the comments and claimed he was watching just the action scenes because he was a filmmaker doing his "homework" for his next project. So it looks like Steve was WAAAAAYYYYY off in his asumption of today's audience eh?


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Ironically my favourite Soderbergh movie is probably his most uber commercial - Ocean's 11.

I find his pseudo-realistic shit to be tedious. Magic Mike is filmed like a bad documentary but with "Saved by the Bell" level diologue. Tatum has one gear and one gear only - dumb hunk.

And does anyone remember The Limey? How 7th grade was that??!

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NotHughGrant wrote:
Ironically my favourite Soderbergh movie is probably his most uber commercial - Ocean's 11.

I find his pseudo-realistic shit to be tedious. Magic Mike is filmed like a bad documentary but with "Saved by the Bell" level diologue. Tatum has one gear and one gear only - dumb hunk.

And does anyone remember The Limey? How 7th grade was that??!

I thought that one was passable, but don't get me started on Che, that was bloated and pretentious crap.


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I avoided Che like the plague.

The chemistry felt all wrong. Che deserves a film, but not from Soderbergh. I wish Soderbergh would have realised that.

I mean, would you get Ken Loach on-board as a hired gun for Transformers 4?

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Ironically my favourite Soderbergh movie is probably his most uber commercial - Ocean's 11.

That's a good one. I'm also partial to Traffic and his Solaris remake. I have to appreciate that he tried his hand at so many different styles and subjects, and did pretty well at a lot of them. I'd be a lot less forgiving of Mediocre Mike if it had come from a less adventurous filmmaker.

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Post Re: Steven Soderbergh on the state of Cinema.
I've always liked Ocean's 11. It's almost the perfect caper/family/hang-out movie.

Even the much lamented Ocean's 12 was basically OK. It's odd that Soderbergh (considering his attitude) finds himself so at home with such establishment stuff.

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I think Soderbergh is absolutely correct. We're reaching a point where the studios will eventually have to change the way they do business. They spend too much money for diminishing returns, and when the foreign market stops being so profitable - an inevitability - they're going to have to figure out something new to appeal to audiences. This has happened before and it will happen again.

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Soderbergh is probably the most diverse filmmaker working today, and easily one of the most diverse ever. He's not afraid to take on something different, while still maintaining his own style. He's a true artist even if some of his movies are less than great.

I really don't understand why anyone would bash him. If all filmmakers had his ambition, we wouldn't have to read their rants about how the movie business stinks.


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Soderbergh is probably the most diverse filmmaker working today, and easily one of the most diverse ever. He's not afraid to take on something different, while still maintaining his own style. He's a true artist even if some of his movies are less than great.

I really don't understand why anyone would bash him. If all filmmakers had his ambition, we wouldn't have to read their rants about how the movie business stinks.

I actually agree with what he says, but it's hardly a groundbreaking revelation. This is also coming from a guy whose idea of art is to cast a porn-star as an escort.

Hollywood concerned about the bottom line when green-lighting films? Who knew?

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PeachyPete wrote:
Soderbergh is probably the most diverse filmmaker working today, and easily one of the most diverse ever. He's not afraid to take on something different, while still maintaining his own style. He's a true artist even if some of his movies are less than great.

I really don't understand why anyone would bash him. If all filmmakers had his ambition, we wouldn't have to read their rants about how the movie business stinks.

I actually agree with what he says, but it's hardly a groundbreaking revelation. This is also coming from a guy whose idea of art is to cast a porn-star as an escort.

Hollywood concerned about the bottom line when green-lighting films? Who knew?

I'm not bashing him, I just find his rant to be more then a little misguided. Magic Mike was anything but ambitious, and I found Solaris more "pretentious" then anything else. I don't see what "lack of ambition" has to do with people saying the movie business "stinks".

Also it's ironic he's citing Steve Jobs for saying that "stealing is wrong"(in regards to movie piracy) when Apple itself has accused of stealing numerous times.


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I don't see what "lack of ambition" has to do with people saying the movie business "stinks".


Are you being serious here? You don't have to agree with it, but can you honestly not understand why some of us want some ambition from filmmakers? Why we don't want to see the same regurgitated shit again and again? I know that your taste is for Hollywood action and that you don't care much for anything outside the box, and that's fine, but I feel like it's still worth caring about how no major player in Hollywood ever tries anything new or interesting these days. A genuine love for anything should by it's very nature cause someone to be ambitious in some way. Hollywood isn't ambitious because they're a consumer product producer, not a film producer. There's just no willingness or desire to take risk. McDonald's looks downright risk-happy compared to Hollywood in the past ten years.


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I actually agree with what he says, but it's hardly a groundbreaking revelation.


This is how I feel. Surf around, you find several such statements written by bloggists and critics over the past several years. They all contain truth though, so a new one can only mean more discussion I would think. It's definitely something worth discussing. The main thing that hit home in this article for me is how Soderbergh described the exec meetings. I've experienced this very thing myself, to a degree, on a lower level of course. The feeling that the people in charge don't care as much about movies as they should.


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I actually agree with what he says, but it's hardly a groundbreaking revelation.


This is how I feel. Surf around, you find several such statements written by bloggists and critics over the past several years. They all contain truth though, so a new one can only mean more discussion I would think. It's definitely something worth discussing. The main thing that hit home in this article for me is how Soderbergh described the exec meetings. I've experienced this very thing myself, to a degree, on a lower level of course. The feeling that the people in charge don't care as much about movies as they should.


Agreed with both of you on this. People seem to be jumping on him because what he said isn't anything new, but that doesn't make it not worth discussing. I mean, gay marriage isn't anything new, but it's still something worth talking about.

He's a guy who has plenty of experience both in the studio system and outside of the studio system. He's incredibly more qualified to make these sorts of claims (and back them up with actual numbers/facts) than virtually anyone else in the world. So yes, it's a pretty big deal that he came out and said these things. But, some people choose to ignore that and ignorantly dismiss the points he's making because they didn't like Magic Mike. Because, you know, those things are so related.


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Vexer wrote:
I don't see what "lack of ambition" has to do with people saying the movie business "stinks".


Are you being serious here? You don't have to agree with it, but can you honestly not understand why some of us want some ambition from filmmakers? Why we don't want to see the same regurgitated shit again and again? I know that your taste is for Hollywood action and that you don't care much for anything outside the box, and that's fine, but I feel like it's still worth caring about how no major player in Hollywood ever tries anything new or interesting these days. A genuine love for anything should by it's very nature cause someone to be ambitious in some way. Hollywood isn't ambitious because they're a consumer product producer, not a film producer. There's just no willingness or desire to take risk. McDonald's looks downright risk-happy compared to Hollywood in the past ten years.

But Steve did mention that were more independent films released last year then there were ten years ago, and he says that like it's a bad thing. Isn't the fact that were seeing more independent films a good thing?

I'm not "dismissing" his points because I don't like some of his films, i'm not "dismissing" what he says at all, but I think he got the wrong impression, seeing someone on a plane watching action scenes "inspired" this piece? it seems incredibly judgemental of him to assume all those things about the passenger, and he seems to infer the wrong things (I don't see what the "stoning" and the Sopranos ending has to do with the state of movies) Also he mentioned how the guys behind Memento started their own production company so they could get it distributed, why dosen't Steve do something productive like that instead of making complaints that don't really make a lot of sense. I don't think it's a "big deal" that he's made such a rant when countless other directors have had similar things to say about Hollywood. Plus Steve said multiple times that maybe he's "wrong" about Hollywood.


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He's a guy who has plenty of experience both in the studio system and outside of the studio system. He's incredibly more qualified to make these sorts of claims (and back them up with actual numbers/facts) than virtually anyone else in the world. So yes, it's a pretty big deal that he came out and said these things. But, some people choose to ignore that and ignorantly dismiss the points he's making because they didn't like Magic Mike. Because, you know, those things are so related.


No question about it. When a respected filmmaker makes a claim that echoes what critics have been saying for more than a decade, it's worth listening to just because he has the insider knowledge.

Obviously, there's room for all sorts of movies in this world. Just because most of us on here are "serious" moviegoers who look for meaning in things doesn't mean all we like is hard-hitting, depressing drama. I for one enjoy a good action movie or silly comedy just as much as the next guy. But there needs to be balance. Once again, this is why I hate the term "Oscar bait." Soderbergh makes quite a few baseball references in his article, and I'll make one here. In sports, athletes who shoot for greatness, awards, and the Hall of Fame ultimately earn a lot more respect than guys who are mostly in it for the fattest paycheck (and those in the former ultimately get their money anyway). So give me a filmmaker who wants to say something and win something any day over one who cares more about the green.

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