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Click here for the review of G.I. Joe: Retaliation

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Interesting to see you give Retaliation a lower score than Rise of Cobra. The general consensus seems to be that this sequel is actually better than the original. Either way, both films appear to be nothing more than witless entertainment. Still, a tad surprising.

What are your thoughts on Channing Tatum as an actor, James? When he first came on the scene, I wanted to push him in front of a freight train, but since then, he's slowly started to grow on me. Granted, his best films have been the products of collaborations with the supposedly retiring Steven Soderbergh, but he is also starring in Foxcatcher later this year. I think that he is capable of branching out into a much more versatile actor, provided that he stays away from mind-numbing action movies and cheap rom-coms.


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Somehow this reads more like a 2 star review. Anyways it looks pretty fun, I don't enjoy films like this because they make me feel "intellectually superior", I just enjoy them because they're fun.


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I've been saying for a while that odds are this would suck. All the hallmarks were there: constant rewrites, reshoots, changing the release date. But still, millions will plunk down their money.

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I like dumb action movies every now and again, but the trailers for this look freakin' awful. It's a shame. I like a bunch of the people involved, but I'm not going to waste any more money on another mediocre movie.


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Porn without semen? Justin Beiber fan-wank? What kind of mood were you in when you wrote this, JB? :lol:

Anyways, the reason why people enjoy these types of movies is because it's escapism. They don't want to think at the movies; that's too much like school or work. They just want to relax. Double if it's a "franchise" movie based on toys or comic books. They go because they're conditioned to go or else be "left behind." They lap up the marketing and the hype more than the movie itself. This doesn't necessarily make them dumb people, though. Just unwilling to venture outside what the media blitz tells them they need to see. JB wrote something about this phenomenon in a reelthought about Transformers 2.

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Porn without semen? Justin Beiber fan-wank? What kind of mood were you in when you wrote this, JB? :lol:

Anyways, the reason why people enjoy these types of movies is because it's escapism. They don't want to think at the movies; that's too much like school or work. They just want to relax. Double if it's a "franchise" movie based on toys or comic books. They go because they're conditioned to go or else be "left behind." They lap up the marketing and the hype more than the movie itself. This doesn't necessarily make them dumb people, though. Just unwilling to venture outside what the media blitz tells them they need to see. JB wrote something about this phenomenon in a reelthought about Transformers 2.

I don't see these types of films because the media blitz tells me to, i'm seeing it because I happen to like G.I. Joe and Dwayne Johnson. I couldn't care less about the hype a film gets, I just care if it looks appealing or not.


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I confess a degree of bafflement about why Hollywood apparently considers it necessary to employ the dumbest possible screenplays for movies like this


I have often wondered about this and I think it wouldn't be that hard to actually come up with a story that has some kind of intelligence. When I see something like G.I.Joe and think they got paid for that it gives me confidence that I can be a writer too. I think that they come up with all the cool action scenes first and then make a script while they go along as they are filming. The screenwriter for Conan the Barbarian with Jason Momoa gives a great description of what it is like to write something so bad and own up to it.

http://www.ifc.com/fix/2011/08/conan-the-barbarian-writer-flop

I think G.I. Joe Retaliation would be better if it followed this satirical article about G.I. Joe Veterans for Truth that do a swiftboating of G.I. Joe's war record against Cobra.Now that is clever writing.

http://www.salon.com/2004/08/14/gijoe/


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I confess a degree of bafflement about why Hollywood apparently considers it necessary to employ the dumbest possible screenplays for movies like this


I have often wondered about this and I think it wouldn't be that hard to actually come up with a story that has some kind of intelligence. When I see something like G.I.Joe and think they got paid for that it gives me confidence that I can be a writer too. I think that they come up with all the cool action scenes first and then make a script while they go along as they are filming.


What I find irritating about movies like this is that it's possible to have just as much action and special effects *and* have a smart, engaging storyline. They aren't mutually exclusive and it's not like it hasn't been done before. It comes down to pure laziness. In point of fact, I happen to love action films as long as I'm not taken out of "the moment" by being forced to swallow contrivances so large that they torpedo my enjoyment of the story. And, unless people stop buying tickets to these films, we're not going to see a change.


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Sean wrote:
What are your thoughts on Channing Tatum as an actor, James? When he first came on the scene, I wanted to push him in front of a freight train, but since then, he's slowly started to grow on me. Granted, his best films have been the products of collaborations with the supposedly retiring Steven Soderbergh, but he is also starring in Foxcatcher later this year. I think that he is capable of branching out into a much more versatile actor, provided that he stays away from mind-numbing action movies and cheap rom-coms.


Tatum has transformed himself from an attractive cardboard cut-out into a legitimate actor. Whether he continues to evolve depends largely on who he works with. Now that Soderbergh is out of the feature film directing business, he's going to need to find another mentor who can help him continue to hone his talents.


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How does the sequel connect to its predecessor, G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra? Not very solidly. Disappointed by the box office performance of the 2009 film, Paramount ordered a near-reboot.


Yeah in some ways it surprised me that this warranted a sequel. The original GI Joe didn't flop. But underperformed. But they don't want to derail the gravy train. So re-boot time.

The first GI Joe was mediocre. If it were awful I'd have remembered a lot more of it than I do.

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Great review James! :lol: I couldn't stop the perpetual grin I had while reading it.

I'm the first to admit I have guilty pleasures for Action Movies that may not be "smart," but I agree with James very much on this point:

There *is* a tipping point, where an Action Movie is so stupid, so absurd, so mind-numbingly bad, that it ruins the movie for me, no matter how much 3D CG gets used.

For example, I liked Fast Five (and I'm *not* a fan of the "ricer" / street racing scene); it was enjoyable albeit silly in parts, but still fun.

G.I. Joe 2 looks downright *awful*! :( Every trailer and scene I've seen so far makes me shudder. And these days, I'd rather not blow ~$14 and waste 2 hours of my life on something that might *barely* have a chance of being "alright" (maybe).


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No movie based on a cartoon series from the '80s has ever been good. :P

I can only hope my childhood favorites Voltron and Robotech never get big screen treatment. :o


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H.I. McDonough wrote:
No movie based on a cartoon series from the '80s has ever been good. :P

I can only hope my childhood favorites Voltron and Robotech never get big screen treatment. :o


Add MASK (my childhood favorite) to the list.

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Saw this tonight and it met my expectations more or less, it was pretty good overall. Of the new characters, I really dug Roadblock and Lady Jaye(Flint was kinda eh), the action scenes were more grounded then the previous film and there were less gadgets(but still some neat ones like the exploding fireflies), but still pretty exciting(maybe I had a better opinion of them then JB did because I saw the film in 2-D). While there are a few things about the story that are a tad farfetched, I fail to see how this film is dumb(at least any moreso then most blockbusters).

James-If you saw the film in 2-D, would you have given a slightly higher rating? I ask because for 1.5 star review, it reads more like a 2 star review.


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Vexer wrote:
James-If you saw the film in 2-D, would you have given a slightly higher rating? I ask because for 1.5 star review, it reads more like a 2 star review.


Always tough to project how a 3-D film would work in 2-D but I probably would have been less distracted so this might have translated into a higher rating.


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