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Question for you Vexer: Have you ever actually experienced any of these programs first hand or are you forming your opinions based on the opinions / reports of others? I find it quite depressing that in one post you can say "Sean Hannity: never heard of him" and then a few posts later say he's said more revolting things that have EVER come from the other side.


You beat me to it Johnny. I was wondering how this leap could be made from "never heard of him" to he's evil incarnate. Unfortunately, I think this leap is made by a lot of people.

Milwaukee had some decent talk radio when I lived there. Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner... Mark Belling would grate on me and tended to dwell on tedium, beating it into the ground for longer than it could ever be worth. He'd be talking about how stupid soccer was and I'd flip to 102.9 for an hour or so, then flip back and he'd still be bouncing up and down about soccer. The national stuff had less appeal for the same reason.

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Greta Van Susteren. She has a Fox News show called On The Record.

I wouldn't mind all these self-styled news channels having non-news programming if they all hired Jon Stewart to come in and chaperone.

Bonus points if it's with O'Reilly, considering that their chemistry together's actually pretty good.

Let me guess, she's a woman who hates other women? those types seem to be pretty commonplace on Faux news.


Question for you Vexer: Have you ever actually experienced any of these programs first hand or are you forming your opinions based on the opinions / reports of others? I find it quite depressing that in one post you can say "Sean Hannity: never heard of him" and then a few posts later say he's said more revolting things that have EVER come from the other side.

From my personal perspective, and so everyone knows where I'm coming from, I do NOT regularly watch these shows. I have been without cable for over a year now after having had it for 20+ years. I never regularly watched anything on Fox News. I would watch John Stossel on Fox Business Network to get the Libertarian perspective and Bill Maher on HBO to get the loony left, but that was about it. I would have watched Jon Stewart, but I couldn't make a daily comittment to a non-news show like that; the other 2 were weekly. On major political event evenings (election nights, state of the union addresses, conventions, etc.) I would flip around between the OTA networks, Fox, MSNBC, so I am familiar with the personalities, though I am not an acolyte of any of them.

As for radio, I rarely, if ever, listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. My prime drive time hours are devoted to talk radio that emanates locally, and yes it is of a conservative bent, though it's not as sensationalized as the national shows. When they go to commercial I will flip over to Michael Medved nationally or to a local African-American issues station that spews out anti white folk rhetoric from the left perspective. But those are really when my main channels are in commercial or the personality is on vacation or whatever for the most part. Otherwise my primary news source is the Yahoo news portal online and I receive the daily newspaper which I read every day.
Well after I heard about Hannity, I did a little digging and found out about some of the crap he's done, even some conservatives don't like him,(he was bashing Libya and Egypt and John McCain refused to agree with his xenophobia), he's also racist as he claimed that the murder of Trayvon Martin was "god's plan" and he has a history of taking sides in racial cases, http://thegrio.com/2012/07/20/sean-hannitys-record-of-defending-accused-racists/ needless to say, it didn't take me long to hate his guts.


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Well after I heard about Hannity, I did a little digging and found out about some of the crap he's done, even some conservatives don't like him,(he was bashing Libya and Egypt and John McCain refused to agree with his xenophobia), he's also racist as he claimed that the murder of Trayvon Martin was "god's plan" and he has a history of taking sides in racial cases, http://thegrio.com/2012/07/20/sean-hannitys-record-of-defending-accused-racists/ needless to say, it didn't take me long to hate his guts.


Wow, Vexer. I suspect you are only "digging" on left-slanted websites in a fit of confirmation bias. First of all, in that link you supplied, it was Zimmerman quoted as saying the Trayvon Martin killing was "God's plan", not Hannity. So I guess you can stop hating Hannity now. Secondly, that piece was authored by David A. Love, who I am not personally acquainted with, but a cursory google search reveals to be "a lawyer and journalist based in Philadelphia, and a contributor to the Progressive Media Project". From their website: The Progressive is a monthly leftwing magazine of investigative reporting, political commentary, cultural coverage, activism, interviews, poetry, and humor. He frequently posts to Huffington Post and Daily Kos. Hardly what I would call an "independent voice". If I were to come on here and serve up warm words of praise for Sean Hannity from the likes of Rush Limbaugh or George Will you would rightly dismiss it outright. I do the same in this context with the commentary from David A. Love.


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I'm new to the politics thread, but I might as well throw in my two cents on the gun control issue.

I believe that this amendment was explicit in its guarantee that all individuals are entitled to a basic right to defend themselves from governments that infringe upon their most basic liberties.


Well regardless of your opinion, that statement is factually wrong. Explicit means "fully or clearly expressed or developed. The second amendment says:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed


That's not explicit about anything, and certainly not about the peoples' "basic right to defend themselves." Now the founding fathers may well have agreed with you, if they were able to comprehend a person using an assault rifle, but it certainly isn't clear


I admit that my use of the term "explicit" was contextually incorrect here. Nevertheless, let us analyze the Second Amendment of the Constitution for a second here. There are several analogies that are comparable to gun control in this sense. For example, let us assume that an individual's right to purchase gasoline cannot be infringed upon if they require gasoline to get to work. Is it fair to say that only individuals who own automobiles can purchase gasoline? Ergo, it is entirely erroneous to assume that one can only own a weapon if he or she is part of a militia. Furthermore, one cannot form a militia if one does not even have arms in the first place.

Look at the terminology used in the Constitution. It constantly refers to the "people", not just a particular subset of the community at large. Keep in mind that at the time of its penning, the Constitution's definition of a militia referred to male citizens in good health and within the appropriate age range. The right to bear arms goes hand-in-hand with the ability to take part in a militia.

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Well after I heard about Hannity, I did a little digging and found out about some of the crap he's done, even some conservatives don't like him,(he was bashing Libya and Egypt and John McCain refused to agree with his xenophobia), he's also racist as he claimed that the murder of Trayvon Martin was "god's plan" and he has a history of taking sides in racial cases, http://thegrio.com/2012/07/20/sean-hannitys-record-of-defending-accused-racists/ needless to say, it didn't take me long to hate his guts.


Wow, Vexer. I suspect you are only "digging" on left-slanted websites in a fit of confirmation bias. First of all, in that link you supplied, it was Zimmerman quoted as saying the Trayvon Martin killing was "God's plan", not Hannity. So I guess you can stop hating Hannity now. Secondly, that piece was authored by David A. Love, who I am not personally acquainted with, but a cursory google search reveals to be "a lawyer and journalist based in Philadelphia, and a contributor to the Progressive Media Project". From their website: The Progressive is a monthly leftwing magazine of investigative reporting, political commentary, cultural coverage, activism, interviews, poetry, and humor. He frequently posts to Huffington Post and Daily Kos. Hardly what I would call an "independent voice". If I were to come on here and serve up warm words of praise for Sean Hannity from the likes of Rush Limbaugh or George Will you would rightly dismiss it outright. I do the same in this context with the commentary from David A. Love.


I couldn't agree more. As much as I despise Hannity and the rest of the Fox News coalition, I must admit that doing some research on their political stances is key to understanding them and actually offering well-informed arguments against them. Just as with discussing movies, Vexer, it is just as important to understand the topic as it is to take part in an active discussion about it.

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There is no point in posting news stories of individual incidents. Every one of them can be countered with an individual incident that speaks equally for the opposite position.


I believe that the point revolves around the singular concept that there is a clear bias in the media against well-meaning individuals who oppose gun control, as opposed to NRA sociopaths who reflect poorly on the entire Second Amendment camp.


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Vexer may not know much about Sean Hannity, but let me chime in as someone who has studied mass media and journalism for nearly 15 years.

Hannity is a complete horse's ass. No real thought goes into the positions he takes; he just takes the opposite of whatever position the Democrats hold. I suppose that makes for good conservative radio, but it doesn't make for good intellectual discussion. He constantly confuses Marxism, communism, and socialism...they are three separate philosophies, not the same thing. It's obvious he has little to no knowledge of economics, and I wonder sometimes if he even knows how our government works. I'm sure there are intelligent conservatives out there, but Sean Hannity is not one of them.

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Vexer may not know much about Sean Hannity, but let me chime in as someone who has studied mass media and journalism for nearly 15 years.

Hannity is a complete horse's ass. No real thought goes into the positions he takes; he just takes the opposite of whatever position the Democrats hold. I suppose that makes for good conservative radio, but it doesn't make for good intellectual discussion. He constantly confuses Marxism, communism, and socialism...they are three separate philosophies, not the same thing. It's obvious he has little to no knowledge of economics, and I wonder sometimes if he even knows how our government works. I'm sure there are intelligent conservatives out there, but Sean Hannity is not one of them.

Thank you! I know I may have jumped the gun a bit with my last post, even if Hannity didn't actually say Martin's death was "god's work", I have no doubt that he believed it. People like him just piss me off so much that I admittedly have a hard time being unbiased towards them. So i'll try to do more research in the future, but I can't promise I won't have any bias towards people like him, Ann Coulter, Michelle Bachman, etc.


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Sexual Chocolate wrote:
Vexer may not know much about Sean Hannity, but let me chime in as someone who has studied mass media and journalism for nearly 15 years.

Hannity is a complete horse's ass. No real thought goes into the positions he takes; he just takes the opposite of whatever position the Democrats hold. I suppose that makes for good conservative radio, but it doesn't make for good intellectual discussion. He constantly confuses Marxism, communism, and socialism...they are three separate philosophies, not the same thing. It's obvious he has little to no knowledge of economics, and I wonder sometimes if he even knows how our government works. I'm sure there are intelligent conservatives out there, but Sean Hannity is not one of them.


Oh, there are intelligent conservatives out there. I personally consider myself a social liberal and fiscal conservative, with no overarching political front. Hannity is shameful, yet he is nowhere as bad as, say, O'Reilly, whose show I sometimes watch in the hopes of garnering a laugh or two. Nevertheless, the only individuals I truly care for on Fox News are Judge Andrew Napolitano, whose show was cancelled last year (further proof that Fox News viewers cannot comprehend programming that involves neither flag-waving nor fanatical shouting), and John Stossel, who provides level-headed, intelligent commentary without alienating others.

Other than that, I have no admiration for commentators from both sides of the aisle. To quote the great Joseph Gordon-Levitt: "What I’ve seen on TV focuses on the superficial stuff. It’s a pretty simple notion: People who have lots of money -- people in corporations who have tons of money -- are malevolently manipulating the system to keep their money. And the rest of the world suffers for it. You could show a trillion examples of how Goldman Sachs, McDonald’s, Walmart and Monsanto are clearly f---ing over everybody, but CNN, Fox and MSNBC are owned by Fortune 500 companies, so they never show any of it."

Here is what he had to say about Occupy Wall Street: "I had a lot of long conversations with all sorts of people -- kids, older people, some cops -- I talked to some people who look really rebellious, I talked to some people who were wearing a suit. I talked to all sorts of people, and everyone's just feeling really positive and optimistic. They look around and they see people who are on the same page, and they're not going to just sit around and say, 'Oh, there's nothing I can do,' and it's reassuring, it's exciting."

I don't agree with some of Gordon-Levitt's political views, but I believe that he absolutely correct when it comes down to this.


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Vexer may not know much about Sean Hannity, but let me chime in as someone who has studied mass media and journalism for nearly 15 years.

Hannity is a complete horse's ass. No real thought goes into the positions he takes; he just takes the opposite of whatever position the Democrats hold. I suppose that makes for good conservative radio, but it doesn't make for good intellectual discussion. He constantly confuses Marxism, communism, and socialism...they are three separate philosophies, not the same thing. It's obvious he has little to no knowledge of economics, and I wonder sometimes if he even knows how our government works. I'm sure there are intelligent conservatives out there, but Sean Hannity is not one of them.


Oh, there are intelligent conservatives out there. I personally consider myself a social liberal and fiscal conservative, with no overarching political front. Hannity is shameful, yet he is nowhere as bad as, say, O'Reilly, whose show I sometimes watch in the hopes of garnering a laugh or two. Nevertheless, the only individuals I truly care for on Fox News are Judge Andrew Napolitano, whose show was cancelled last year (further proof that Fox News viewers cannot comprehend programming that involves neither flag-waving nor fanatical shouting), and John Stossel, who provides level-headed, intelligent commentary without alienating others.

Other than that, I have no admiration for commentators from both sides of the aisle. To quote the great Joseph Gordon-Levitt: "What I’ve seen on TV focuses on the superficial stuff. It’s a pretty simple notion: People who have lots of money -- people in corporations who have tons of money -- are malevolently manipulating the system to keep their money. And the rest of the world suffers for it. You could show a trillion examples of how Goldman Sachs, McDonald’s, Walmart and Monsanto are clearly f---ing over everybody, but CNN, Fox and MSNBC are owned by Fortune 500 companies, so they never show any of it."

Here is what he had to say about Occupy Wall Street: "I had a lot of long conversations with all sorts of people -- kids, older people, some cops -- I talked to some people who look really rebellious, I talked to some people who were wearing a suit. I talked to all sorts of people, and everyone's just feeling really positive and optimistic. They look around and they see people who are on the same page, and they're not going to just sit around and say, 'Oh, there's nothing I can do,' and it's reassuring, it's exciting."

I don't agree with some of Gordon-Levitt's political views, but I believe that he absolutely correct when it comes down to this.

Agreed on Stossel, I remember watching his special "Stupid In America" which perfectly described the problem with the public school education system.

Levitt sounds pretty level-headed in comparison to say Sean Penn, who is a total-dick most of the time.


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On the 2nd Amendment: the popular argument is that it is the one-stop guarantee of the right to bear arms. Over 200 years of case law and historical precedent oppose this view. As a point of fact, the right to bear arms has been limited in various ways since square one. Sometimes it's related to the oppression of minority groups and sometimes it's related to legitimate public safety concerns.

What I think is important to remember is that all but the looniest of loonies are in favor of limiting citizens' rights to arm themselves on some level--whether it be assault weapons, concealed handguns, weapons grade nuclear material, or what have you. The real issue is the degree to which that should be, not the polarized "gun rights vs. gun control" argument that we're constantly being fed. We're all on the same side: the side of finding the sensible balance between public safety and individual autonomy.

On John Stossel: I've disliked the guy ever since I saw his show when he was walking around a junkyard smashing car windows with a baseball bat. It was supposed to be a metaphor. I can't remember for what.

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On John Stossel: I've disliked the guy ever since I saw his show when he was walking around a junkyard smashing car windows with a baseball bat. It was supposed to be a metaphor. I can't remember for what.


It's been a few years; I recall it either being a direct reference to Cash For Clunkers or else a more oblique metaphor to the theory that destroying things is good for the economy because it takes jobs and investment to replace that which you already had (and destroyed). Like saying a hurricane is good for the economy because of all the construction work that will come about after the event.


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On the 2nd Amendment: the popular argument is that it is the one-stop guarantee of the right to bear arms. Over 200 years of case law and historical precedent oppose this view. As a point of fact, the right to bear arms has been limited in various ways since square one. Sometimes it's related to the oppression of minority groups and sometimes it's related to legitimate public safety concerns.

What I think is important to remember is that all but the looniest of loonies are in favor of limiting citizens' rights to arm themselves on some level--whether it be assault weapons, concealed handguns, weapons grade nuclear material, or what have you. The real issue is the degree to which that should be, not the polarized "gun rights vs. gun control" argument that we're constantly being fed. We're all on the same side: the side of finding the sensible balance between public safety and individual autonomy.

On John Stossel: I've disliked the guy ever since I saw his show when he was walking around a junkyard smashing car windows with a baseball bat. It was supposed to be a metaphor. I can't remember for what.


I oppose any attempt to curtail the Second Amendment rights of ordinary citizens. In fact, I would much rather see the government disarmed drastically, seeing as it poses a much greater threat to anyone's right to life or liberty. Whenever a major mass shooting occurs stateside, people go into a panic. However, whenever an innocent civilian or child is killed on the streets of Afghanistan or by a drone in Pakistan, we regard it as a statistic that is to be read before transitioning to a commercial break or a more lighthearted topic. I find it not just sickening, but also truly saddening.

I disagree with Stossel on some issues, but I believe that he is truly intelligent and articulate, unlike many of his fellow Fox News contributors. To be fair, Stossel contributes mostly to Fox Business Channel, which is far more open-minded than FNC. His books provide for excellent reading, and he seems to have an excellent understanding of the issues, unlike many television anchors and commentators on both sides of the aisle.

Perhaps it has to do with my total indifference towards tabloid-fueled popular culture, but why does everyone seem to despise Sean Penn? Does he hold some sort of political view that many consider profane? As I have said before, I tend to distance myself from the personal lives of actors and actresses, but why is he the target of so much animosity amongst the film-fan "blogosphere"? The only thing that he may have done to earn my ire revolves around the fact that his performances have become more and more lazy since his Oscar win. And that one time when he called for the arrest of anyone who opposed Hugo Chavez.


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You guys might be interested in this: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#3677250

Now, the assault rifles ban debate is pretty interesting and both sides have many valid points, but I think it's fair to say it wouldn't have been anywhere near as prominently in the public consciousness without Sandy Hook. To find out the guy didn't even use an assault rifle, was turned down from buying a gun before the shooting, and had an altercation at the school prior to the shooting, is a pretty big deal.

The media, as per their usual, dropped the ball on this one by misreporting the facts and fitting it to their own pre-made narratives.


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I oppose any attempt to curtail the Second Amendment rights of ordinary citizens.

Are you sure about that? Absolutely sure?

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You guys might be interested in this: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#3677250

Now, the assault rifles ban debate is pretty interesting and both sides have many valid points, but I think it's fair to say it wouldn't have been anywhere near as prominently in the public consciousness without Sandy Hook. To find out the guy didn't even use an assault rifle, was turned down from buying a gun before the shooting, and had an altercation at the school prior to the shooting, is a pretty big deal.

The media, as per their usual, dropped the ball on this one by misreporting the facts and fitting it to their own pre-made narratives.

I knew about that factoid since December, I personally put some blame on the mother, as teaching someone mentally ill how to shoot a gun is NOT a good idea, and she was careless leaving her guns out in the open instead of locking them up in a safe where Lanza couldn't get to them.


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I oppose any attempt to curtail the Second Amendment rights of ordinary citizens.

Are you sure about that? Absolutely sure?


I am much more concerned about what the government does with weapons, especially drones and nuclear missiles.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -Mahatma Gandhi

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On John Stossel: I've disliked the guy ever since I saw his show when he was walking around a junkyard smashing car windows with a baseball bat. It was supposed to be a metaphor. I can't remember for what.


It's been a few years; I recall it either being a direct reference to Cash For Clunkers or else a more oblique metaphor to the theory that destroying things is good for the economy because it takes jobs and investment to replace that which you already had (and destroyed). Like saying a hurricane is good for the economy because of all the construction work that will come about after the event.


I could not agree more.

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You guys might be interested in this: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#3677250

Now, the assault rifles ban debate is pretty interesting and both sides have many valid points, but I think it's fair to say it wouldn't have been anywhere near as prominently in the public consciousness without Sandy Hook. To find out the guy didn't even use an assault rifle, was turned down from buying a gun before the shooting, and had an altercation at the school prior to the shooting, is a pretty big deal.

The media, as per their usual, dropped the ball on this one by misreporting the facts and fitting it to their own pre-made narratives.

I knew about that factoid since December, I personally put some blame on the mother, as teaching someone mentally ill how to shoot a gun is NOT a good idea, and she was careless leaving her guns out in the open instead of locking them up in a safe where Lanza couldn't get to them.


Lanza's mother should have put that money to greater use, perhaps spending it on seeking treatment for her son instead of purchasing all of these weapons. A foolish decision that ultimately cost her her life.


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Do you all think someone's opinion matters more, when that person survived a massacre? I don't know if it does or doesn't, but I certainly know that opinion shouldn't be lost in the drivel.

Columbine survivor's open letter to the President:

Mr. President,

As a student who was shot and wounded during the Columbine massacre, I have a few thoughts on the current gun debate. In regards to your gun control initiatives:

Universal Background Checks

First, a universal background check will have many devastating effects. It will arguably have the opposite impact of what you propose. If adopted, criminals will know that they can not pass a background check legally, so they will resort to other avenues. With the conditions being set by this initiative, it will create a large black market for weapons and will support more criminal activity and funnel additional money into the hands of thugs, criminals, and people who will do harm to American citizens.

Second, universal background checks will create a huge bureaucracy that will cost an enormous amount of tax payers dollars and will straddle us with more debt. We cannot afford it now, let alone create another function of government that will have a huge monthly bill attached to it.

Third, is a universal background check system possible without universal gun registration? If so, please define it for us. Universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation. I am not at all implying that you, sir, would try such a measure, but we do need to think about our actions through the lens of time.

It is not impossible to think that a tyrant, to the likes of Mao, Castro, Che, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others, could possibly rise to power in America. It could be five, ten, twenty, or one hundred years from now ? but future generations have the natural right to protect themselves from tyrannical government just as much as we currently do. It is safe to assume that this liberty that our forefathers secured has been a thorn in the side of would-be tyrants ever since the Second Amendment was adopted.

Ban on Military-Style Assault Weapons

The evidence is very clear pertaining to the inadequacies of the assault weapons ban. It had little to no effect when it was in place from 1994 until 2004. It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher. The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.

Gun ownership is at an all time high. And although tragedies like Columbine and Newtown are exploited by ideologues and special-interest lobbying groups, crime is at an all time low. The people have spoken. Gun store shelves have been emptied. Gun shows are breaking attendance records. Gun manufacturers are sold out and back ordered. Shortages on ammo and firearms are countrywide. The American people have spoken and are telling you that our Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

10-Round Limit for Magazines

Virginia Tech was the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history. Seung-Hui Cho used two of the smallest caliber hand guns manufactured and a handful of ten round magazines. There are no substantial facts that prove that limited magazines would make any difference at all.
Second, this is just another law that endangers law-abiding citizens. I've heard you ask, "why does someone need 30 bullets to kill a deer?"

Let me ask you this: Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens? Under this policy, criminals will still have their 30-round magazines, but the average American will not. Whose side are you on?

Lastly, when did they government get into the business of regulating "needs?" This is yet another example of government overreaching and straying from its intended purpose.

Selling to Criminals

Mr. President, these are your words: "And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this."
Why don't we start with Eric Holder and thoroughly investigate the Fast and Furious program?

Furthermore, the vast majority of these mass murderers bought their weapons legally and jumped through all the hoops ? because they were determined to murder. Adding more hoops and red tape will not stop these types of people. It doesn't now ? so what makes you think it will in the future? Criminals who cannot buy guns legally just resort to the black market. Criminals and murderers will always find a way.

Critical Examination

Mr. President, in theory, your initiatives and proposals sound warm and fuzzy ? but in reality they are far from what we need. Your initiatives seem to punish law-abiding American citizens and enable the murderers, thugs, and other lowlifes who wish to do harm to others.

Let me be clear: These ideas are the worst possible initiatives if you seriously care about saving lives and also upholding your oath of office. There is no dictate, law, or regulation that will stop bad things from happening ? and you know that. Yet you continue to push the rhetoric. Why?

You said, "If we can save just one person it is worth it." Well here are a few ideas that will save more that one individual:

First, forget all of your current initiatives and 23 purposed executive orders. They will do nothing more than impede law-abiding citizens and breach the intent of the Constitution. Each initiative steals freedom, grants more power to an already-overreaching government, and empowers and enables criminals to run amok.

Second, press Congress to repeal the "Gun Free Zone Act." Don't allow America's teachers and students to be endangered one-day more. These parents and teachers have the natural right to defend themselves and not be looked at as criminals. There is no reason teachers must disarm themselves to perform their jobs. There is also no reason a parent or volunteer should be disarmed when they cross the school line.

This is your chance to correct history and restore liberty. This simple act of restoring freedom will deter would-be murderers and for those who try, they will be met with resistance.

Mr. President, do the right thing, restore freedom, and save lives. Show the American people that you stand with them and not with thugs and criminals.

Respectfully,
Severely Concerned Citizen, Evan M. Todd


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Nice letter, but not every survivor feels the same way.


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