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Batman (1989). Not a good movie. But there's a moment or two. Very strangely, this movie occasionally abandons standard blockbuster visual storytelling and encroaches upon a more primal, dreamlike association between images and sound, which make it almost like an experiment in surrealism. Those moments are great. They're just held together by a childish and laughable attempt at superhero storytelling.


Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:06 am
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The scene in Bobby when Sen Kennedy arrives and gives his speech followed by the inevitable asassination. That scene works quite well yet the rest of the movie is a trite late 60s soap opera. If the rest of the movie had been as effective as that scene we might have gotten the great movie Estevez intended it to be instead of something that was only a tiny step above the latest TV movie of the week.

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The scene in Bobby when Sen Kennedy arrives and gives his speech followed by the inevitable asassination. That scene works quite well yet the rest of the movie is a trite late 60s soap opera. If the rest of the movie had been as effective as that scene we might have gotten the great movie Estevez intended it to be instead of something that was only a tiny step above the latest TV movie of the week.

I liked that scene and the performances by Demi Moore, Elijah Wood, Lindsay Lohan, Laurene Fishburne, Martin Sheen, and Helen Hunt.


Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:23 pm
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The Matrix Revolutions is largely mediocre, but I've always loved Agent Smith's quite lengthy speech in the middle of his fight with Neo:

"Why, Mr. Anderson? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace?? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?"


Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:43 pm
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I think it's fucking ace when a Doris Day movie stops being a Doris Day movie and becomes The End Credits for a Doris Day movie. I LOVE THAT. I love it when I don't have to see a single additional second of a godforsaken Doris Day movie. Oh sweet pants of Christ, that feeling... victory. It tastes like victory. Sweet. And it means something really, really awesome: Once a Doris Day movie is over, I get to enjoy the longest amount of time possible before another Doris Day movie. They should bottle that as a juice because, gentlemen, I'd gladly have sexual relations with that juice.


Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:51 pm
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I think it's fucking ace when a Doris Day movie stops being a Doris Day movie and becomes The End Credits for a Doris Day movie. I LOVE THAT. I love it when I don't have to see a single additional second of a godforsaken Doris Day movie. Oh sweet pants of Christ, that feeling... victory. It tastes like victory. Sweet. And it means something really, really awesome: Once a Doris Day movie is over, I get to enjoy the longest amount of time possible before another Doris Day movie. They should bottle that as a juice because, gentlemen, I'd gladly have sexual relations with that juice.

I was super-pissed about this for the five or so seconds it took me to realize that I was conflating Doris Day with Jayne Mansfield for some weird reason.


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Freedomland was a mediocre, extremely hokey/preachy thriller-drama, but I'll be damned if Edie Falco wasn't amazing in it. Acted circles around Julianne Moore, who I was crushed to see give an overtly screechy and totally unconvincing performance.



Definitely with you on this! Sam Jackson was pretty solid in it too. But Juliana, whom I usually love, was awful in the movie!


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I like the way the Hanniball 2001 movie depicts the post-Silence of the Lambs life of Hannibal himself. I think the character is quite beautifully portrayed by Hopkins and Scott, the latter of which I usually don't rate too highly.

It's not a great film, but does this well.

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Almost positive that I've mentioned this before, but the design of the Cynus in The Black Hole is the coolest spaceship design I've ever seen. Too bad the rest of the film isn't up to that level.


Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:14 pm
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The Saw franchise sucks pretty bad, but some of the deaths are pretty cool admittedly, and some of the acting is OK I guess.


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Well this topic is similar to Mark Kermode's last video blog: great performances in a bad movie.

As a musician I must of course point out the brilliant soundtrack in "E.T." - which is definitely too sappy, cheezy and manipulative to be a great movie. I rather hear the soundtrack than watching the movie. There is a reason why the main theme from this movie is being played during many years in the musical overture from Oscar Night.

Going back as fas as the 60's/70's I would point out Vincent Price as a wonderful actor in otherwise mediocre B movies. Ys: he is hammy, stagey and overacting, but he saves many a movie. Examples:

"Witchfinder General - The Conqueror Worm", "The Abominable Dr. Phibes (and perhaps the awful sequel)"

Jason Statham in just about everything he is in. His movies are mostly trashy but the fact that he doesn't even try to act an just du his thing is simply great. On a less convincing level this can be said about Dolph Lundrgen: all the movies I saw whith him suck big hairy balls, but he has the ability of self-trashing humor which redeems everything.


Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:35 pm
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I would say that the 30-minute recreation of the titular attack and Cuba Gooding's performance were the only redeeming qualities of the otherwise abysmal Pearl Harbor


This. I couldn't help but get a bit emotional during that whole stretch. The rest of the film was garbage.

Reminds me of Titanic. You could call the film a sappy, broad soap opera, but the ship sinking sequence is still incredibly well made. To this day it still gives me chills... and it's also the only part of the film I bother to watch, since with the rest I always find something new to make fun of with every repeat viewing.


Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:48 pm
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oafolay wrote:
I would say that the 30-minute recreation of the titular attack and Cuba Gooding's performance were the only redeeming qualities of the otherwise abysmal Pearl Harbor


This. I couldn't help but get a bit emotional during that whole stretch. The rest of the film was garbage.

Reminds me of Titanic. You could call the film a sappy, broad soap opera, but the ship sinking sequence is still incredibly well made. To this day it still gives me chills... and it's also the only part of the film I bother to watch, since with the rest I always find something new to make fun of with every repeat viewing.


Honestly, watching Pearl Harbor made me think that much more highly of Titanic than I did before. Sure, some of the same criticisms could apply to both films but the 1997 film did a much better job of developing the story and characters than did its 2001 counterpart. It's pretty obvious that with the earlier film, a fair deal of though went not only into perfecting the historical and technical details but in the more substantive elements as well, even if the screenplay wasn't the stuff of dreams. On the other hand, Bay's film was just a transparent attempt to cash in on the success of the earlier film with a screenplay that you could almost swear was intended as a parody of epic romances. Maybe it's just because I swear by nearly everything that James Cameron touches but I'm am far more willing to cut Titanic a lot of slack because I feel that it was able to get a great deal of mileage out of something that probably shouldn't have worked nearly as well as it did.


Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:34 am
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oafolay wrote:
neco82 wrote:
oafolay wrote:
I would say that the 30-minute recreation of the titular attack and Cuba Gooding's performance were the only redeeming qualities of the otherwise abysmal Pearl Harbor


This. I couldn't help but get a bit emotional during that whole stretch. The rest of the film was garbage.

Reminds me of Titanic. You could call the film a sappy, broad soap opera, but the ship sinking sequence is still incredibly well made. To this day it still gives me chills... and it's also the only part of the film I bother to watch, since with the rest I always find something new to make fun of with every repeat viewing.


Honestly, watching Pearl Harbor made me think that much more highly of Titanic than I did before. Sure, some of the same criticisms could apply to both films but the 1997 film did a much better job of developing the story and characters than did its 2001 counterpart. It's pretty obvious that with the earlier film, a fair deal of though went not only into perfecting the historical and technical details but in the more substantive elements as well, even if the screenplay wasn't the stuff of dreams. On the other hand, Bay's film was just a transparent attempt to cash in on the success of the earlier film with a screenplay that you could almost swear was intended as a parody of epic romances. Maybe it's just because I swear by nearly everything that James Cameron touches but I'm am far more willing to cut Titanic a lot of slack because I feel that it was able to get a great deal of mileage out of something that probably shouldn't have worked nearly as well as it did.
I'm not a fan of either film, but i'll gladly take Pearl Harbor over Titanic ANY day of the week, as the former at least had some decent acting and well executed battle scenes, I don't get why people praised Kate and Leo so much, they're acting struck me as incredibly mediocre.


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I never got Titanic.

I thought the story of a huge unsinkable ship sinking on its maiden voyage would be story enough. But intead we get this cheap holiday fling hammered into it.

Shite.

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How about the Rock in Be Cool? That was a horrible movie, but I really enjoyed his performance.

He has natural screen presence/charisma and has been good in more than a few bad films.


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Almost positive that I've mentioned this before, but the design of the Cynus in The Black Hole is the coolest spaceship design I've ever seen. Too bad the rest of the film isn't up to that level.


The Black Hole was the first movie I thought of when I saw this threat. The plot is absolute gibberish and the acting is horrible, but the damn thing is so darkly beautiful that it's like looking at a piece of abstract art. I kind of see it as a warm-up for Tron.


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I'm not a fan of either film, but I'll gladly take Pearl Harbor over Titanic ANY day of the week, as the former at least had some decent acting and well executed battle scenes, I don't get why people praised Kate and Leo so much, they're acting struck me as incredibly mediocre.


Wow, I'm am convinced that you're high now, Pearl Harbor had decent acting, better than Titanic? MY ASS!!!!


Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:01 pm
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Vexer wrote:
I'm not a fan of either film, but I'll gladly take Pearl Harbor over Titanic ANY day of the week, as the former at least had some decent acting and well executed battle scenes, I don't get why people praised Kate and Leo so much, they're acting struck me as incredibly mediocre.


Wow, I'm am convinced that you're high now, Pearl Harbor had decent acting, better than Titanic? MY ASS!!!!

Relax dude it's just my opinion, and I would NEVER dream getting high under any circumstances :lol:


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Same here with the Black Hole. Excellent, moody production design and music, torpedoed by Disney cuteness.

The opening montage in Up. Sorry, I just didn't think the movie was all that special aside from that.

The pod race and the final lightsaber battle (this title is pretty obvious)

The low frequency bass effects in The Haunting.......

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