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November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy" 
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I not only remember movie-reviews.colossus.net -- but I also remember reading your reviews on http://www.cybernex.net/~berardin!

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Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:20 am
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First, I loved the first sentence of this ReelThoughts! Hilarious. Second, I would not be opposed to a small fee either. I don't click on many ads anymore. I tried to before, and you would still comment that less people are clicking, so I figured it wasn't helping much. I do click through your site when I need to purchase something from Amazon.com though.

I have been visiting your site since the mid to late 90's while I was in high school. I enjoy your writing style and find that your reviews always help me know if I'll enjoy a film. Even when we disagree.

So, again, I agree with other posters that a subscription fee would not stop me from coming. Maybe have someone make an app for you so you can advertise your site to people with smart phones and tablets. Just another way to access your reviews and create more awareness of your site.


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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
moviemkr7 wrote:
Interesting idea. Would love to hear JB speak. Wonder what his voice sounds like lol...


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ehaislar wrote:
The answer is in your own column. Why pay when you can get it for free. The simple answer is print is dead and why compete in a dying market. It's time to move your love of film from print on the computer screen to you on the computer screen. Start a YouTube channel and create your own movie review show. The only cost will be a camera and editing time.

The cost of the everything else will fall onto google and YouTube. This is the Future. You must evolve if you want to stay relevant.


My intent with this column was not so much to complain about my own situation but to examine things in a larger context. The phrase "Why pay for something when you can get it for free" is central to my thesis. Paid film reviewing is dying. Paid porn is dying. Both are being killed by the availability of free reviews/porn on-line. I'm not making a value judgment; I'm stating a fact.

20, 15, maybe 10 years ago you could come out of college and pursue film criticism as a viable career. Not today. It has shifted from vocation to avocation. It doesn't matter how good you are. Sad, perhaps, but true.


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mikedevx wrote:
I've been visiting less frequently.

Partly, a number of movies I'd expect to see reviewed aren't on your list. The most recent is "Puss In Boots". It's an odd omission, not to be on your list.

Also, our tastes have diverged over the years. I used to be right in line with your viewpoints and ratings. Your rating was something I could absolutely trust. Three stars or more, and I was guaranteed a movie worth my money. But lately that has less and less been the case. And some two star movies have ended up among my faves.

It could be me that has diverged, I'm not sure. Ever since 9-11 I've gotten a lot more conservative, and it has *seemed* to me that you've gotten a lot more liberal.


You have wandered into the topic of the *next* ReelThoughts, which will be called "My Favorite Things."

As for PUSS IN BOOTS, circumstances prevented me from seeing it - there was a local film festival that weekend, we got a snowstorm, and my son got sick.

I'll see it at some point (Dreamworks will probably provide a screener for awards consideration), but there probably won't be a review unless it blows me away.


Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:16 pm
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James Berardinelli wrote:
I'll see it at some point (Dreamworks will probably provide a screener for awards consideration), but there probably won't be a review unless it blows me away.

It won't.


Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:19 pm
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James Berardinelli wrote:
moviemkr7 wrote:
Interesting idea. Would love to hear JB speak. Wonder what his voice sounds like lol...


http://www.fictionalfrontiers.podcastpe ... osts/44421


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Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:41 pm
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ehaislar wrote:
The answer is in your own column. Why pay when you can get it for free. The simple answer is print is dead and why compete in a dying market. It's time to move your love of film from print on the computer screen to you on the computer screen. Start a YouTube channel and create your own movie review show. The only cost will be a camera and editing time.

The cost of the everything else will fall onto google and YouTube. This is the Future. You must evolve if you want to stay relevant.


I think that's somewhat related to the decline in readership.

Think back. Not too far. 10 years ago. Have a look at the RottenTomatoes page for the average film. Not too many reviews. By posting reviews online in the early 90s James was way ahead of the times. These days, there are literally hundreds of reviews on a site like RottenTomatoes. With so many options it only stands to reason that the readership would be diluted.

Then James started blogging with Reelthoughts. Sure, there were many blogs. There were little or no critic's blogs though. Again, way ahead of the curve. We knew about James' thoughts about a whole bunch of things apart from movies. Most critics still don't blog in the manner that James does, but a lot more of them do (Ebert, most notably). Again, dilution of the readership.

Imho, starting a forum was another good example of James' foresight/willingness to try things. Really, how many critics have a forum? Sure, there are user comments on some sites, but this is the only forum I can think of. Time will tell if it helps readership or not. Ultimately, I don't think it will, but I imagine that all of us are extremely grateful to JB for creating this space.

So, is video the answer? Who knows? Maybe it was. A lot of folks "review" on youtube already. Not too many actual critics. But (proper) video production takes time and there doesn't seem to be much opportunity to make money out of it.

Also: charging a fee won't work. It just won't. I think JB knows this. For those of you who don't click on ads: use the Amazon links! I've never clicked a single ad in my life so I try to support Reelthoughts by passing every Amazon purchase I make through the Amazon banner on the front page. It might not be a lot, but it's a neat little way to make a contribution.


Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:05 pm
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"I'll see it at some point (Dreamworks will probably provide a screener for awards consideration), but there probably won't be a review unless it blows me away."

It won't blow you away. There *are* a few hilariously funny gags. Overall, it's just a reasonably good movie. I'd say, definitely worth the price of a matinee ticket. I think you'd probably give it either 2 1/2 or 3 stars.


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ed_metal_head wrote:
Also: charging a fee won't work. It just won't. I think JB knows this. For those of you who don't click on ads: use the Amazon links! I've never clicked a single ad in my life so I try to support Reelthoughts by passing every Amazon purchase I make through the Amazon banner on the front page. It might not be a lot, but it's a neat little way to make a contribution.


I can't foresee a time when I'll ever try charging a fee for ReelViews. While I might be surprised at the initial number of subscribers, that number would gradually erode over time and with all of the new reviews walled off from the Internet in general, there would be no opportunity for fresh eyes to read my ramblings. Attrition would kill off the site. Plus, it's a pain in the ass to moderate a pay site. Requires more time than I have available. I'd rather review an extra movie each week.


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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
James Berardinelli wrote:
You have wandered into the topic of the *next* ReelThoughts, which will be called "My Favorite Things."


We MUST know if you're a fan of Rush. You have admitted to being a Star Wars nerd, a Trekkie, and playing D&D. Being a fan of Rush is only a natural progression, and nothing to be ashamed of. :mrgreen:

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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
James

It sounds like you have a well paying job and a family. I won't worry about you missing out on a few hundred grand by not putting ads on your site sooner.

You made the right decision in not taking that print journalism job in Phoenix, you would possibly have been made redundant from there several years ago anyway due to the economy, but instead staying with your "lucrative engineering job".. Ha.

It might be hard times for film critics and the porn industry but you have your cake and can eat it too!


Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:35 pm
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We MUST know if you're a fan of Rush. You have admitted to being a Star Wars nerd, a Trekkie, and playing D&D. Being a fan of Rush is only a natural progression, and nothing to be ashamed of. :mrgreen:

I don't know. I'm willing to bet that a single human vessel cannot contain that much nerdery. It's like a Chinese restaurant: if the menu has Star Wars, Star Trek, D&D, and Rush on it, you may only select a maximum of three items.

Take me, for example. I've been a Star Wars fan since childhood. I'm into Star Trek enough where I can probably be considered a mild Trekkie. Rush is one of my favorite bands. I never did get into D&D. I never found any appeal in it, but, moreover, I suspect that the laws of physics simply wouldn't allow for it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this latest ReelThoughts was composed with the 2112 Overture playing in the background. If this were the case, it would have startling implications for humankind's understanding of the universe.


Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:19 pm
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mikedevx wrote:
I've been visiting less frequently.

Partly, a number of movies I'd expect to see reviewed aren't on your list. The most recent is "Puss In Boots". It's an odd omission, not to be on your list.

Also, our tastes have diverged over the years. I used to be right in line with your viewpoints and ratings. Your rating was something I could absolutely trust. Three stars or more, and I was guaranteed a movie worth my money. But lately that has less and less been the case. And some two star movies have ended up among my faves.

It could be me that has diverged, I'm not sure. Ever since 9-11 I've gotten a lot more conservative, and it has *seemed* to me that you've gotten a lot more liberal. All those truly crappy anti-US, anti-Iraq war movies, you keep giving them three or more stars. Most of the time I have to read your reviews carefully to see if something in the movie is going to royally piss me off, if I'm going to be contributing money to people and to a movie that despises what I believe in, and puts their hatred of my beliefs up there on the screen for no other reason than vicious spite.


This is the same idiot who called In Time "a silly, simple Marxist approach, it's just dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb."

I think since 9/11, you've let yourself get dumber dumber dumber and dumber.


Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:59 pm
Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
James,

In light of your observations, does this mean that Armond White is unlikely to ever be re-hired?


Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:28 pm
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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
James Berardinelli wrote:
ehaislar wrote:
The answer is in your own column. Why pay when you can get it for free. The simple answer is print is dead and why compete in a dying market. It's time to move your love of film from print on the computer screen to you on the computer screen. Start a YouTube channel and create your own movie review show. The only cost will be a camera and editing time.

The cost of the everything else will fall onto google and YouTube. This is the Future. You must evolve if you want to stay relevant.


My intent with this column was not so much to complain about my own situation but to examine things in a larger context. The phrase "Why pay for something when you can get it for free" is central to my thesis. Paid film reviewing is dying. Paid porn is dying. Both are being killed by the availability of free reviews/porn on-line. I'm not making a value judgment; I'm stating a fact.

20, 15, maybe 10 years ago you could come out of college and pursue film criticism as a viable career. Not today. It has shifted from vocation to avocation. It doesn't matter how good you are. Sad, perhaps, but true.


Does this mean that, at least for the time being, you're not going to shut down Reelviews?

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MGamesCook wrote:
James,

In light of your observations, does this mean that Armond White is unlikely to ever be re-hired?


Never mind, I guess he has a new gig.


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ed_metal_head wrote:
ehaislar wrote:
The answer is in your own column. Why pay when you can get it for free. The simple answer is print is dead and why compete in a dying market. It's time to move your love of film from print on the computer screen to you on the computer screen. Start a YouTube channel and create your own movie review show. The only cost will be a camera and editing time.

The cost of the everything else will fall onto google and YouTube. This is the Future. You must evolve if you want to stay relevant.


I think that's somewhat related to the decline in readership.

Think back. Not too far. 10 years ago. Have a look at the RottenTomatoes page for the average film. Not too many reviews. By posting reviews online in the early 90s James was way ahead of the times. These days, there are literally hundreds of reviews on a site like RottenTomatoes. With so many options it only stands to reason that the readership would be diluted.

Then James started blogging with Reelthoughts. Sure, there were many blogs. There were little or no critic's blogs though. Again, way ahead of the curve. We knew about James' thoughts about a whole bunch of things apart from movies. Most critics still don't blog in the manner that James does, but a lot more of them do (Ebert, most notably). Again, dilution of the readership.

Imho, starting a forum was another good example of James' foresight/willingness to try things. Really, how many critics have a forum? Sure, there are user comments on some sites, but this is the only forum I can think of. Time will tell if it helps readership or not. Ultimately, I don't think it will, but I imagine that all of us are extremely grateful to JB for creating this space.

So, is video the answer? Who knows? Maybe it was. A lot of folks "review" on youtube already. Not too many actual critics. But (proper) video production takes time and there doesn't seem to be much opportunity to make money out of it.

Also: charging a fee won't work. It just won't. I think JB knows this. For those of you who don't click on ads: use the Amazon links! I've never clicked a single ad in my life so I try to support Reelthoughts by passing every Amazon purchase I make through the Amazon banner on the front page. It might not be a lot, but it's a neat little way to make a contribution.


I do the same with Netflix. Id click on more but im afraid of viruses :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
A friend of mine called it "driving toward zero", and that content makers were going to have to find new ways to make money because the old ad and subscription systems no longer worked as a viable method for generating revenues. I'm not sure how valid the theory is, but things do seem to be "driving toward zero", in that so much content is now free or cheaply available that premium content takes on a new meaning.

I certainly hope you're not going anywhere, James. I've been reading your reviews since the early 2000's, and as someone on the lower end of the income spectrum, I've always found you to be an invaluable resource when picking out that certain movie worth both my time and money.

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Post Re: November 10, 2011: "The Porn Analogy"
Ken wrote:
Sexual Chocolate wrote:
We MUST know if you're a fan of Rush. You have admitted to being a Star Wars nerd, a Trekkie, and playing D&D. Being a fan of Rush is only a natural progression, and nothing to be ashamed of. :mrgreen:

I don't know. I'm willing to bet that a single human vessel cannot contain that much nerdery. It's like a Chinese restaurant: if the menu has Star Wars, Star Trek, D&D, and Rush on it, you may only select a maximum of three items.

Take me, for example. I've been a Star Wars fan since childhood. I'm into Star Trek enough where I can probably be considered a mild Trekkie. Rush is one of my favorite bands. I never did get into D&D. I never found any appeal in it, but, moreover, I suspect that the laws of physics simply wouldn't allow for it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this latest ReelThoughts was composed with the 2112 Overture playing in the background. If this were the case, it would have startling implications for humankind's understanding of the universe.


You may be onto something there. Not a fan of Rush. Listened to them briefly when I was in 9th or 10th grade but moved on quickly. The 1812 Overture is more my speed.


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