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Introductory:
Citizen Kane
Godfather
Singin' In The Rain
Casablanca
Rashomon
Some Like It Hot
City Lights
Gold Rush
Taxi Driver
Sunset Boulevard
Psycho
Chinatown
Doctor Strangelove
Four Hundred (400) Blows
It's A Wonderful Life
Blade Runner
Rear Window
Modern Times
North By Northwest
Strada, La
Apartment, The
Gone With The Wind
Wizard Of Oz, The
Rio Bravo
To Be Or Not To Be
All About Eve
Notorious
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The
Madame De
Bringing Up Baby
Stagecoach
Double Indemnity
Battle Of Algiers, The
Goodfellas
Sherlock Jr.
Bicycle Thief
Letter From an Unknown Woman
Voyage In Italy
The General

Intermediate:
Searchers, The
Vertigo
Battleship Potemkin
Seven Samurai
Tokyo Story
Sunrise
Lawrence Of Arabia
Raging Bull
Godfather Part II
Touch Of Evil
Third Man, The
Grande Illusion
Dolce Vita, La
Enfants Du Paradis, Les
Night Of the Hunter
Jules Et Jim
Magnificent Ambersons
Wild Strawberries
M
Pather Panchali
Wild Bunch, The
Conformist, The
Leopard, The
Nashville
Metropolis
Once Upon A Time In The West
Fanny And Alexander
Ikiru
My Darling Clementine
Barry Lyndon
Clockwork Orange, A
Sansho The Bailiff
Open City aka Rome, Open City
The Man With The Movie Camera

Advanced:
Rules Of The Game
2001
Eight And A Half
L'Atalante
Passion Of Joan Of Arc
Breathless
Ordet
Playtime
Last Year at Marienbad
Apocalypse Now
L'Age D'Or
L'Avventura
Persona
Andrei Rublev
The Mirror
Intolerance
Seventh Seal
Ugetsu
Contempt
Au Hasard Balthazar
Greed
Viridiana
Pickpocket
Amarcord
Pierrot Le Fou
Hiroshima Mon Amour
Aguirre The Wrath Of God


Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:18 am
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Okay...thanks to this list I have moved Vertigo from my #1 spot on Netflix and replaced it with Rashomon. You guys had convinced me in the Vertigo thread to watch it, until Rob made the comment of not letting it be your first on this journey. I trust you Rob, through your comments...I trust you.

Though I have to say that I might not be that much of a rookie as I realized that I have seen 16 of the movies on the list.

Aw hell, who the eff am I trying to fool. As much as I think I love and know about movies, this forum has made me realize that there is so much more out there to explore...I'm just a newborn. I'll grow up though.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:33 am
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ram1312 wrote:
Okay...thanks to this list I have moved Vertigo from my #1 spot on Netflix and replaced it with Rashomon. You guys had convinced me in the Vertigo thread to watch it, until Rob made the comment of not letting it be your first on this journey. I trust you Rob, through your comments...I trust you.

Though I have to say that I might not be that much of a rookie as I realized that I have seen 16 of the movies on the list.

Aw hell, who the eff am I trying to fool. As much as I think I love and know about movies, this forum has made me realize that there is so much more out there to explore...I'm just a newborn. I'll grow up though.



Hi Ram1312

Thanks for the kind words

Vertigo is an interesting one because it's just so dark. I had to see it several times to really get down there. As you can read, I'm not alone.

I'm not sure what the 16 are that you've seen, but would suggest you do the Hitchcock's and save Vertigo till last. Don't be disappointed if you have the same reaction as me on first viewing - which was huh?

Rear Window, Psycho, North By Northwest and Notorious are all easier to digest

If I could relive my movies again I'd encourage you to see Night of the Hunter before Vertigo

and then.... go for it!

What ever you do. Let us know.

Have fun
Rob


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ram1312 wrote:
Okay...thanks to this list I have moved Vertigo from my #1 spot on Netflix and replaced it with Rashomon. You guys had convinced me in the Vertigo thread to watch it, until Rob made the comment of not letting it be your first on this journey. I trust you Rob, through your comments...I trust you.


Not to bash on Vertigo, it is my favorite Hitchcock movie, but you will be glad that you are watching Rashomon first. If there is any movie that will encourage you to stick with the cinematic journey, that's it. It is one of my favorite of all time. Plus, it has a great intro by Robert Altman.

As for the list. I understand putting the movies that are higher on the list in the advanced section, but I have to disagree about your placement of Citizen Kane. I think it would be a lot easier to appreciate after another Orson Welles film, like Touch of Evil. I also think that My Darling Clementine really isn't that difficult of a movie. It might make sense to switch the two.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:05 am
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darthyoshi wrote:
Not to bash on Vertigo, it is my favorite Hitchcock movie, but you will be glad that you are watching Rashomon first. If there is any movie that will encourage you to stick with the cinematic journey, that's it. It is one of my favorite of all time. Plus, it has a great intro by Robert Altman.


Thank you for that darthyoshi...it's encouraging. I was just really unsure which of the list to start out with, not that I feel I could go wrong with any of them. One of my good buddies is Japanese, which is why I leaned towards this film.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:21 am
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Robert Holloway wrote:
ram1312 wrote:
Okay...thanks to this list I have moved Vertigo from my #1 spot on Netflix and replaced it with Rashomon. You guys had convinced me in the Vertigo thread to watch it, until Rob made the comment of not letting it be your first on this journey. I trust you Rob, through your comments...I trust you.

Though I have to say that I might not be that much of a rookie as I realized that I have seen 16 of the movies on the list.

Aw hell, who the eff am I trying to fool. As much as I think I love and know about movies, this forum has made me realize that there is so much more out there to explore...I'm just a newborn. I'll grow up though.



Hi Ram1312

Thanks for the kind words

Vertigo is an interesting one because it's just so dark. I had to see it several times to really get down there. As you can read, I'm not alone.

I'm not sure what the 16 are that you've seen, but would suggest you do the Hitchcock's and save Vertigo till last. Don't be disappointed if you have the same reaction as me on first viewing - which was huh?

Rear Window, Psycho, North By Northwest and Notorious are all easier to digest

If I could relive my movies again I'd encourage you to see Night of the Hunter before Vertigo

and then.... go for it!

What ever you do. Let us know.

Have fun
Rob


How coincidental you post this as I send you that PM Rob. And in fact, I had added Night of the Hunter on to my queue. Now it will go up higher in the list. Thanks man.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:29 am
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ram1312 wrote:
How coincidental you post this as I send you that PM Rob. And in fact, I had added Night of the Hunter on to my queue. Now it will go up higher in the list. Thanks man.


Oh, Night of the Hunter... that movie is amazing. It wouldn't be terrible if you saw Night of the Hunter first, but I think it makes for a much better experience if you see previous works done by the two lead actors, Robert Mitchum and Lilian Gisch. What I did, I watched Out of the Past, a quitessential film noir, which is a good introduction to Mitchum. I also saw Broken Blossoms, which is a silent film, which is a good introduction to Lilian Gisch (haha, both of those movies were from the TCM movie threads). Sorry to keep giving you directions about all of this. I always smile when I look back on Night of the Hunter. Best shit ever.

All I can do here is tell people NOT to do what I've done, which is start on all the advanced movies. Oops.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:44 am
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If you can knock out a viewing of 2001 and Apocalypse Now everything else on the list should be a relative cinch.

The only change I'd make to the list is the inclusion of Fanny and Alexander in the second tier. It's just about the perfect movie for a contemporary audience -- familial soap opera, some sweetness, a few scares here and there. It's more like an Altman film than an Altman film.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:29 am
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majoraphasia wrote:
If you can knock out a viewing of 2001 and Apocalypse Now everything else on the list should be a relative cinch.


Those are 2 out of the 16 that I have watched from the list. I have a deep appreciation for 2001...took a couple of viewings but I got there.

Apocalypse Now on the other hand...the only time I "watched" that movie was when I was doing overnight security at the high school I was teaching at. It was Senior Night and they had us watching the cars so there we're no pranks. Anyways, the guy I was working with throws this movie on at 2:30 in the effing morning. It was too much for me that late at night man. Needs another viewing.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:55 am
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ram1312 wrote:
majoraphasia wrote:
If you can knock out a viewing of 2001 and Apocalypse Now everything else on the list should be a relative cinch.


Those are 2 out of the 16 that I have watched from the list. I have a deep appreciation for 2001...took a couple of viewings but I got there.

Apocalypse Now on the other hand...the only time I "watched" that movie was when I was doing overnight security at the high school I was teaching at. It was Senior Night and they had us watching the cars so there we're no pranks. Anyways, the guy I was working with throws this movie on at 2:30 in the effing morning. It was too much for me that late at night man. Needs another viewing.


Give it another try, it's definitely worth it. It's long, draining, and definitely not a late-night movie. What kind of pyscho puts that movie on at 230 am?


Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:16 am
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PeachyPete wrote:
Give it another try, it's definitely worth it. It's long, draining, and definitely not a late-night movie. What kind of pyscho puts that movie on at 230 am?


A religion teacher...


Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:35 am
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Good job calvero, that was really well done. Also, thanks to Rob for posting it. There really isn't too much here that I could complain about.

I'd probably switch Rashomon and Seven Samurai. The latter is an action film and isn't as complex as Rashomon. It's also really high up in imdb's top 250, so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to get into.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:42 am
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I don't think that apocalypse now belongs in the advanced section, its complex but not at the same level as say 2001, which quite frankly i still am not a big fan of despite multiple viewings.


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ram1312 wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
Give it another try, it's definitely worth it. It's long, draining, and definitely not a late-night movie. What kind of pyscho puts that movie on at 230 am?


A religion teacher...


What the hell kind of confused religion teacher puts on Apocalypse Now at 2:30 in the morning? I think that person has some underlying issues. I would stay away...


Meatloaf wrote:
I don't think that apocalypse now belongs in the advanced section, its complex but not at the same level as say 2001, which quite frankly i still am not a big fan of despite multiple viewings.


I think I agree with this. Apocalypse Now is a fairly accessible film. Yes, it is complex and draining, but Coppola helps you along the way. It's even better if you have read the book.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:11 pm
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darthyoshi wrote:
Apocalypse Now is a fairly accessible film. Yes, it is complex and draining, but Coppola helps you along the way. It's even better if you have read the book.


I don't know about accessible but it's definitely helped by Coppola along the way. A Clockwork Orange and other 'difficult' fare seem far more accessible by comparison.

Now, as for having read the book... I'm quick to believe that, although libraries are built on the predication that the public enjoys reading, most of those that tune in the film aren't familiar with the source material in the slightest. Heart of Darkness is so frequently abandoned in favor of its Spark Note that Apocalypse Now is likely considered the only way in for the viewer. Sad as it is that the book may be relatively unread by the thirstiest moviegoer, the movie shouldn't come with any prerequisites. As such, Apocalypse Now stands as a (deliberately) confusing film for a good percentage of its potential audience.


Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:23 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Good job calvero, that was really well done. Also, thanks to Rob for posting it. There really isn't too much here that I could complain about.

I'd probably switch Rashomon and Seven Samurai. The latter is an action film and isn't as complex as Rashomon. It's also really high up in imdb's top 250, so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to get into.


Yeah - huge thanks to Calvero

I actually think Seven Samurai is more of a slog than Rashomon mainly because of the length. Most people will struggle at 3 hour medieval Japanese movies.

But it's a toss up as Rashomon is a little more complex (unless you've deciphered memento :lol: )

Rob


Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:31 am
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If our regular readers don't mind I'm going to resist altering Calvero's excellent list

I am sure we can all find the odd switch but overall it's very good.

Unless there is mass howling from the gallery about an egregious brain lapse, let's let it rest for a while

I hope people find it useful

Rob


Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:34 am
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Is it just me or are there nine movies missing from the list? I didn't see The Mirror in there, which DEFINITELY belongs in advanced. Really, it's the last Tarkovsky film you should see, and it's arguable it's the last film you should watch on the journey because it's ridiculously hard to appreciate.


Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:36 am
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Pedro wrote:
Is it just me or are there nine movies missing from the list? I didn't see The Mirror in there, which DEFINITELY belongs in advanced. Really, it's the last Tarkovsky film you should see, and it's arguable it's the last film you should watch on the journey because it's ridiculously hard to appreciate.



Hi Pedro

I added it as suggested

Thanks
Rob


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majoraphasia wrote:
darthyoshi wrote:
Apocalypse Now is a fairly accessible film. Yes, it is complex and draining, but Coppola helps you along the way. It's even better if you have read the book.


I don't know about accessible but it's definitely helped by Coppola along the way. A Clockwork Orange and other 'difficult' fare seem far more accessible by comparison.

Now, as for having read the book... I'm quick to believe that, although libraries are built on the predication that the public enjoys reading, most of those that tune in the film aren't familiar with the source material in the slightest. Heart of Darkness is so frequently abandoned in favor of its Spark Note that Apocalypse Now is likely considered the only way in for the viewer. Sad as it is that the book may be relatively unread by the thirstiest moviegoer, the movie shouldn't come with any prerequisites. As such, Apocalypse Now stands as a (deliberately) confusing film for a good percentage of its potential audience.


I'm kind of surprised that you think A Clockwork Orange is more accessible than Apocalypse Now. I think the latter is much more in line with traditional Hollywood than ACO.

About Heart of Darkness... It is sad, isn't it? This is one of the greatest literary accomplishments of all time, and most people forsake it for the Sparknotes or ignore it altogether. Sigh...


Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:25 am
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