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Apocalypse Now - great war movie, or the greatest?

I mean, there aren't many other movies out there that stand to contest that title with this behemoth standing in the way. Full Metal Jacket and Platoon maybe, but I personally like Apocalypse Now better.

This really is a personal favorite. It's based on Heart of Darkness, a book I love. It is my favorite Francis Ford Coppola movie, made at the height of his career, just after Godfather I and II. It has a perfect cast, and Marlon Brando is really the only one who could have played Kurtz. This is my favorite roll for Robert Duvall. It has some of the most quoted and best lines from of a movie of all time. Its visuals are stunning. All that AND it has the best use of a Doors song EVER.

If you plan on seeing this movie anytime soon. I highly recommend that you see the Redux version. Sure, it makes it longer, but the added scenes just add to the greatness of the film as a whole.


Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:21 am
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This is also one of my personal favourites and my favourite war movie (a genre I don't admire much). But I disagree on the Redux version.

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The "Playboy bunny scene" and the "French plantation scene" bring the movie to a standstill and don't add to the film, in my opinion. When I watch Apocalypse Now Redux, I usually fast forward through these scenes. I really like the added footage of Marlon Brando, though. The other changes I have noticed (extended scene of stealing the surfboard) were pretty much neutral.


Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:33 am
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I do somewhat agree with the playboy bunny scene, but it does try to humanize the sex objects while at the same time undercutting its own purpose by having the men caressing them. There is a bit of the French plantation that I thought was one of the stronger parts of the movie actually. It was when they were sitting down to dinner, and the guy becomes really passionate and says "You can win here! You have the resources! You can win!" or something similar. I will agree that Martin Sheen didn't need to have sex with that one French lady.


Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:57 am
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Unke wrote:
This is also one of my personal favourites and my favourite war movie (a genre I don't admire much). But I disagree on the Redux version.

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The "Playboy bunny scene" and the "French plantation scene" bring the movie to a standstill and don't add to the film, in my opinion. When I watch Apocalypse Now Redux, I usually fast forward through these scenes. I really like the added footage of Marlon Brando, though. The other changes I have noticed (extended scene of stealing the surfboard) were pretty much neutral.



Me too. I was surprised by the redux recommendation and had the same reaction as you. I prefer a double bill of AN and Hearts of Darkness.

Rob


Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:20 am
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I need to rewatch Apocalypse Now. It is the source of one of my favorite movie experiences.

My friend and i went to the our local 2 screen cinema and could not get into the film of our choice. We'd not heard of Apocalypse Now but gave it a try.

We walked out with our mouths agape.

In the late seventies there was no internet and we relied on newspapers and magazines for news about movies. Neither of had ever heard about the film and the title just seemed cool.

Rob


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My friend and i went to the our local 2 screen cinema and could not get into the film of our choice. We'd not heard of Apocalypse Now but gave it a try.

We walked out with our mouths agape.


I love it when that happens. It's what makes this all worthwhile.


Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:03 pm
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Yeah

My guess is that this happens less these days. back in the seventies and earlier it was far harder to find stuff out about movies. I'd often stare at a poster, look at the actors / director and take the plunge.

No such thing as IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, james or trailer downloads

At least there was an air of mystery as we read the Friday local paper to see what had opened.

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Well, it's happening more and more nowadays because of the cinematic journey. I'm catching up on all I missed. But I do agree with you, there is less innocence when you go to see a movie nowadays. A lot of the time, I just refuse to see things because of what I have read about them. That's not to say that I'm missing out. This strategy saved me from seeing Night at the Museum 2.


Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:18 pm
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Well, it's happening more and more nowadays because of the cinematic journey. I'm catching up on all I missed. But I do agree with you, there is less innocence when you go to see a movie nowadays. A lot of the time, I just refuse to see things because of what I have read about them. That's not to say that I'm missing out. This strategy saved me from seeing Night at the Museum 2.


I'm 51 and many nights during the 70's and early 80's my friends and I would walk round the three cinemas arguing over posters of movies we we had no idea about.

I used to help out at the local ABC cinema in Torquay. I vividly remember helping put up the letters that spelt Earthquake and getting a free pass to see it in Sensurround

The issue at the colony was that on Friday and Saturday's they showed horror double bills. I must have seen hundreds of movies there as a spotty 13 year old masquerading as an 18 year old. they didn't care they wanted my pounds sterling :-)

On Sunday (to honor our Lord) they showed porn double bills. I never understood why it was so easy to get into the horror movies and so hard to get into the porn.

One day I tried and was horrified to see that the lady at the ticket desk knew my mother - eeeeeek!

The Colony cinema ruled
until it was destroyed for a supermarket :-(

sad days
Rob


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Robert Holloway wrote:
I'm 51 and many nights during the 70's and early 80's my friends and I would walk round the three cinemas arguing over posters of movies we we had no idea about.

I used to help out at the local ABC cinema in Torquay. I vividly remember helping put up the letters that spelt Earthquake and getting a free pass to see it in Sensurround

The issue at the colony was that on Friday and Saturday's they showed horror double bills. I must have seen hundreds of movies there as a spotty 13 year old masquerading as an 18 year old. they didn't care they wanted my pounds sterling :-)

On Sunday (to honor our Lord) they showed porn double bills. I never understood why it was so easy to get into the horror movies and so hard to get into the porn.

One day I tried and was horrified to see that the lady at the ticket desk knew my mother - eeeeeek!

The Colony cinema ruled
until it was destroyed for a supermarket :-(

sad days
Rob


Ha, nostalgia... Things are much different nowadays. Theaters are much less personal. People forget though, we can watch DVDs whenever we want. The dynamics have changed. There is more to movies than what they show on the silver screen.

My best memories of movies come from within my own home. I used to watch the original trilogy of Star Wars at least once a week until I was in 2nd grade. Then The Phantom Menace came out, and I watched that a million times as well.

More recently, I just watch movies by myself at my computer. This usually happens late at night and with the lights out. It's about as personal as movies get. For example, one movie I saw this way recently was The Passion of Joan of Arc - in the dark and silence. I don't think there is a better way to view it. Another movie I saw like this was Pierrot le Fou.


Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:31 am
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darthyoshi wrote:
Apocalypse Now - great war movie, or the greatest?

I mean, there aren't many other movies out there that stand to contest that title with this behemoth standing in the way. Full Metal Jacket and Platoon maybe, but I personally like Apocalypse Now better.


I think 'Platoon', 'Paths Of Glory', and 'Saving Private Ryan' are overall better films than 'Apocalypse Now'. Despite it's many strengths (which I have covered elsewhere in this forum), it is a flawed gem that doesn't reward numerous viewings as much as it is required to watch every half year. This being said, the only war film that approaches it in terms of the philosophical is the 1985 Russian film 'Come And See'.

I consider 'Grave Of The Fireflies' to be the best war film ever created (as well as the finest animated motion picture ever created). It is not as grandiose as 'Apocalypse Now', but it takes a more powerful emotional toll on the viewer without collapsing completely into static nihilism.
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It creates two characters of shattering believability and uses both their experiences and their actions towards one another as symbolic statements about the nature of war and the foolishness of blind patriotism while also being an involving and engrossing drama of two children who love each other without condition. It therefore condemns an entire nation and leaves a mark upon the very idea of war while at the same time providing an affirmative sense of hope in it's central story. It has a tragic, beautiful glow that eludes some 90% of other dramas, which either stick with despair and ugliness or shower the viewer with superfluous scenes of character hugging each other in triumph while Beatles songs play in the background.


Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:06 pm
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Don't know why, but I have a weak spot for "The Deer Hunter", I don't rate it higher as Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and of course "Apocalypse Now", but I still think it is a somehow underrated movie. Admittedly, only a fraction actually deals with actual battles in Viet Nam, but I love its cryptic nature (the repetition of rituals, the fact that our group of "heroes" are of Russian descent - at the time this country (in form of the USSR) represented the communist "enemy". I like the depiction of the Pennsylvania working class and the fact that the dialog mostly comes from inarticulate people, which adds a documentary quality to it.
Sure this movie has a lot of flaws, first of all the pacing, editing and lack of proper transitions, but I think it should not be totally neglected when it comes to war movies, Nam pix in particular.

Perhaps I am just too sentimental, since I saw this flick at my 18th birthday...

I don't know why, but Apocalypse Now (including Redux) remains an unfinished picture for me. As soon as Dennis Hopper comes in (that's the time mark, not the fact that it is Dennis Hopper), things stop making sense.
I mean any sense at all. To me that is.


Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:37 pm
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I agree I much prefer the original to the redux version considering the fact that the French scenes were my least favorite and most boring of the movie.I also think the movie tails off a bit once Hopper comes on scene, which was a little disappointing because I was really looking forward to seeing Kurtz. Overall I'd rank it behind Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket even though it is most definitely in my top 100.


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