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Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls 
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Post Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
I came across this link which I thought some of you may enjoy. Sight & Sound is I believe the longest running organized critics poll(started 1952) In 1992 they started polling directors as well(publishing a separate list for them)

Here are their lists throughout the years(you can see how Chaplin's stock fell over the years, Keaton's rose, when Citizen Kane's stock started rising, when Vertigo & The Searchers started being re-evaluated, etc)

also you can see what specific directors & critics(tarantino, ebert) submitted as their top 10 for the 2002 poll(its held every 10 years) if you click around there. And you can see the votes totals for every film that received a vote that year, who voted for each film, etc.

Quote:
1952:
1. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
2. City Lights (Chaplin)
2. The Gold Rush (Chaplin)
4. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
5. Intolerance (Griffith)
5. Louisiana Story (Flaherty)
7. Greed (von Stroheim)
7. Le Jour se lève (Carné)
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
10. Brief Encounter (Lean)
10. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)


Quote:
1962
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. L'avventura (Antonioni)
3. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
4. Greed (von Stroheim)
4. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
7. Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein)
9. La terra trema (Visconti)
10. L'Atalante (Vigo)


Quote:
1972
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
3. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
4. 8 1/2 (Fellini)
5. L'avventura (Antonioni)
5. Persona (Bergman)
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
8. The General (Keaton)
8. The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)
10. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)
10. Wild Strawberries (Bergman)


Quote:
1982
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
3. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)
3. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen)
5. 8 1/2 (Fellini)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7. L'avventura (Antonioni)
7. The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)
7. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
10. The General (Keaton)
10. The Searchers (Ford)


Quote:
1992
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Regle du Jeu (Renoir)
3. Tokyo Story (Ozu)
4. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
5. The Searchers (Ford)
6. L'Atalante (Vigo)
6. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
6. Pather Panchali (Ray)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
10. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)


Quote:
2002
1 Citizen Kane (Welles)
2 Vertigo (Hitchcock)
3 La Régle du jeu (Renoir)
4 The Godfather and The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
5 Tokyo Story (Ozu)
6 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)
7 Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7 Sunrise (Murnau)
9 8 1/2 (Fellini)
10 Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen)


http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/

Battleship Potemkin & La Régle du jeu are the only films to make every list.


Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:21 pm
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calvero wrote:
I came across this link which I thought some of you may enjoy. Sight & Sound is I believe the longest running organized critics poll(started 1952) In 1992 they started polling directors as well(publishing a separate list for them)

Here are their lists throughout the years(you can see how Chaplin's stock fell over the years, Keaton's rose, when Citizen Kane's stock started rising, when Vertigo & The Searchers started being re-evaluated, etc)

also you can see what specific directors & critics(tarantino, ebert) submitted as their top 10 for the 2002 poll(its held every 10 years) if you click around there. And you can see the votes totals for every film that received a vote that year, who voted for each film, etc.

Quote:
1952:
1. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
2. City Lights (Chaplin)
2. The Gold Rush (Chaplin)
4. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
5. Intolerance (Griffith)
5. Louisiana Story (Flaherty)
7. Greed (von Stroheim)
7. Le Jour se lève (Carné)
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
10. Brief Encounter (Lean)
10. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)


Quote:
1962
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. L'avventura (Antonioni)
3. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
4. Greed (von Stroheim)
4. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
7. Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein)
9. La terra trema (Visconti)
10. L'Atalante (Vigo)


Quote:
1972
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
3. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
4. 8 1/2 (Fellini)
5. L'avventura (Antonioni)
5. Persona (Bergman)
7. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
8. The General (Keaton)
8. The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)
10. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)
10. Wild Strawberries (Bergman)


Quote:
1982
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
3. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)
3. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen)
5. 8 1/2 (Fellini)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7. L'avventura (Antonioni)
7. The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)
7. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
10. The General (Keaton)
10. The Searchers (Ford)


Quote:
1992
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. La Regle du Jeu (Renoir)
3. Tokyo Story (Ozu)
4. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
5. The Searchers (Ford)
6. L'Atalante (Vigo)
6. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
6. Pather Panchali (Ray)
6. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
10. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)


Quote:
2002
1 Citizen Kane (Welles)
2 Vertigo (Hitchcock)
3 La Régle du jeu (Renoir)
4 The Godfather and The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
5 Tokyo Story (Ozu)
6 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)
7 Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)
7 Sunrise (Murnau)
9 8 1/2 (Fellini)
10 Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen)


http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/

Battleship Potemkin & La Régle du jeu are the only films to make every list.



Hi Calvero

Much has been written about this poll over the years.

It's interesting how some films take a few years to acquire status and how others have gained in respect as well. Others have only recently been discovered. maybe the demise of the concerned director has something to do with it?

Vertigo does seem to have been a film that is gaining respect over the decades. I was disappointed the first time I saw it and with each viewing (over ten) it keeps going up my personal all time list. I think upon first viewing many people expect something like rear Window of North By Northwest, or even Psycho. Yet it now appears so much richer than these films.

I have read that Tokyo Story was only really discovered in the west about twenty years ago?

Our local newspaper film critic flies the flag for Passion of Joan of Arc. I watched it a couple of years ago and could not stop thinking about it. Simply amazing. It's on Criterion.

I love this list though, because if you see the full version it's atreasure trove of viewing inspiration.

Rob


Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:53 pm
Post Re: Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
If Seven Samurai were to weasel its way back in there (in addition to an inclusion of some Scorsese film), the list might be a little better. I hate top 10 lists, though, when they encompass a selection of cinema that is so diverse and good that it's basically impossible to note essentials. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lord of the Rings on there in three years.


Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:41 pm
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Pedro wrote:
If Seven Samurai were to weasel its way back in there (in addition to an inclusion of some Scorsese film), the list might be a little better. I hate top 10 lists, though, when they encompass a selection of cinema that is so diverse and good that it's basically impossible to note essentials. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lord of the Rings on there in three years.



Hi Pedro

You should Google the list and see that there are many films that are voted for.

Actually i did it for you :-)

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/top ... -long.html

The top Scorsese movie sits at 35.

As for LOTR. I would be shocked if it ever made a top 10 list of film critics. When you stand back and look at this amazing list it would be a very hard case to claim that it deserves to be in there.

Rob


Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:58 pm
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I'm surprised at the number of votes for Touch of Evil for some reason. Oh well, no Scorsese or another thirty years at least. XD I'm glad to see Man With the Movie Camera has a decent number of votes.


Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:59 pm
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Post Re: Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
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Vertigo does seem to have been a film that is gaining respect over the decades


It certainly does, it was only 5 votes behind Kane in this poll! Could we be in for a 'dethroning' in 2012? Kane was 14 votes ahead of the #2 in the directors poll.

Quote:
I was disappointed the first time I saw it


when/where did you first see it? just curious why it disapointed you.

Quote:
Oh well, no Scorsese or another thirty years at least.


The directors poll does seem to give a higher rank to more recent films:

Quote:
2002
1 Citizen Kane (Welles)
2 The Godfather and The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
3 8 1/2 (Fellini)
4 Lawrence of Arabia (Lean)
5 Dr. Strangelove (Kubrick)
6 Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
6 Raging Bull (Scorsese)
6 Vertigo (Hitchcock)
9 La Régle du jeu (Renoir)
9 Rashomon (Kurosawa)
9 Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)


Quote:
1992
1. Citizen Kane (Welles)
2. 8 1/2 (Fellini)
2. Raging Bull (Scorsese)
4. La strada (Fellini)
5. L'Atalante (Vigo)
6. The Godfather (Coppola)
6. Modern Times (Chaplin)
6. Vertigo (Hitchcock)
9. The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
10. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
10. Rashomon (Kurosawa)
10. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)


here were how some notable directors voted:

Quote:
Cameron Crowe:
The Apartment (Wilder)
La Règle du jeu (Renoir)
La dolce vita (Fellini)
Manhattan (Allen)
The Best Years of Our Lives (Wyler)
To Kill a Mockingbird (Mulligan)
Harold and Maude (Ashby)
Pulp Fiction (Tarantino)
Quadrophenia (Roddam)
Ninotchka (Lubitsch)


Quote:
Sidney Lumet:
The Best Years of Our Lives (Wyler)
Fanny and Alexander (Bergman)
The Godfather (Coppola)
The Grapes of Wrath (Ford)
Intolerance (Griffith)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)
Ran (Kurosawa)
Roma (Fellini)
Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen)
2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)

his comments: "Top ten is an impossible category. What I put down are ten movies that I can't resist watching, no matter when or where."


Quote:
Tarantino:
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Leone)
Rio Bravo (Hawks)
Taxi Driver (Scorsese)
His Girl Friday (Hawks)
Rolling Thunder (Flynn)
They All Laughed (Bogdanovich)
The Great Escape (J. Sturges)
Carrie (De Palma)
Coffy (Hill)
Dazed and Confused (Linklater)
Five Fingers of Death (Chang)
Hi Diddle Diddle (Stone)


you can see this list of all the directors who voted & their lists here(same can be done for critics)

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/top ... e=director


Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:48 pm
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Very cool link, thanks. i did not know Mark Kermode was part of the vote in 2002
Rob


Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:24 pm
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Hey calvero, you might also find the 1000 Greatest movies at They Shoot Pictures interesting. They compile their ranking using every top movie list they can find. The Sight & Sound poll weighs heavily on their ranking.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/index.htm

Btw, why the hell did Tarantino submit 12 films? More importantly why did the BFI count all 12? I like him, but he shouldn't get special treatment.


Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:17 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Hey calvero, you might also find the 1000 Greatest movies at They Shoot Pictures interesting. They compile their ranking using every top movie list they can find. The Sight & Sound poll weighs heavily on their ranking.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/index.htm

Btw, why the hell did Tarantino submit 12 films? More importantly why did the BFI count all 12? I like him, but he shouldn't get special treatment.



fantasytic list. I'd never seen it

A new addition to my book marks for sure

I now have my 1o00 movies to see before I die list

many thanks

Rob


Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:54 pm
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Post Re: Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
Quote:
Hey calvero, you might also find the 1000 Greatest movies at They Shoot Pictures interesting. They compile their ranking using every top movie list they can find. The Sight & Sound poll weighs heavily on their ranking


thanks, that's a great site!

Quote:
Btw, why the hell did Tarantino submit 12 films? More importantly why did the BFI count all 12? I like him, but he shouldn't get special treatment.


ha, I was think the same thing. but 8 of the 12 films he listed only got one vote in the entire poll, so I don't think it really affected the integrity of the poll.

Quote:
I now have my 1o00 movies to see before I die list


how many in that list haven't you seen?


Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:54 pm
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calvero wrote:
Quote:
Hey calvero, you might also find the 1000 Greatest movies at They Shoot Pictures interesting. They compile their ranking using every top movie list they can find. The Sight & Sound poll weighs heavily on their ranking


thanks, that's a great site!

Quote:
Btw, why the hell did Tarantino submit 12 films? More importantly why did the BFI count all 12? I like him, but he shouldn't get special treatment.


ha, I was think the same thing. but 8 of the 12 films he listed only got one vote in the entire poll, so I don't think it really affected the integrity of the poll.

Quote:
I now have my 1o00 movies to see before I die list


how many in that list haven't you seen?


I reckon it could be 100 as there's a good chunk pre 1930
It's like I have a totally new toy - very exciting :-)

I'll get back with the exact number
Rob


Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:21 pm
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Post Re: Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
Quote:
I'll get back with the exact number


I've only seen around 450. Lots of foreign/silent films among those 550 I haven't seen.


Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:22 pm
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Robert Holloway wrote:
ed_metal_head wrote:
Hey calvero, you might also find the 1000 Greatest movies at They Shoot Pictures interesting. They compile their ranking using every top movie list they can find. The Sight & Sound poll weighs heavily on their ranking.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/index.htm

Btw, why the hell did Tarantino submit 12 films? More importantly why did the BFI count all 12? I like him, but he shouldn't get special treatment.



fantasytic list. I'd never seen it

A new addition to my book marks for sure

I now have my 1o00 movies to see before I die list

many thanks

Rob


Glad that you all found it useful. It's just about the best list I've come across.

FYI, if you browse around you'll notice they also have a list of the Greatest Films of the 21st century which is also a really nice read.


Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:50 pm
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Post Re: Sight & Sound's Top 10 Polls
here is the 2012 list

1) "Vertigo" (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958)
2) "Citizen Kane" (Orson Welles, 1941)
3) "Tokyo Story" (Yasujiro Ozo, 1953)
4) "Rules of the Game" (Jean Renoir, 1939)
5) "Sunrise" (F.W. Murnau, 1927)
6) "2001: A Space Odyssey" (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
7) "The Searchers" (John Ford, 1956)
8) "Man with a Movie Camera" (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
9) "The Passion of Joan of Arc" (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1928)
10) "8 1/2" (Federico Fellini, 1963)

Rules of the Game is now the only film to remain in the top 10 in every list(since 1952)


Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:11 pm
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