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...Detour? Good little dirty noir, but how can you call it perfect with that code-tacked-on ending?

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...Detour? Good little dirty noir, but how can you call it perfect with that code-tacked-on ending?


I was answering Josh's question pretty truthfully, if sparsely, when I put up ten movies with Detour among the others. What makes it perfect? It's so insanely flawed; from the overacting to the stock footage to the crazy femme fatale to the obvious cheapness of the whole endeavor, it's pathetically obvious that Detour was rushed through production in all of 6 days. SIX! What a fucking mess that movie is! It's kind of honest for that messiness. I love the atmosphere and the cheapness, how they combine to form this surreal little movie that has GRADE B stamped all over it. I love me some b-grade movies and Detour is the most b-gradiest of them all -- it's got that LET'S GET THIS FUCKING THING DONE!!!! charm and remains the greatest B movie of all time. Who said a perfect movie had to be perfect? Not I said the me.


Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:45 pm
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Pedro wrote:
9. Cache (2005)

JJoshay's list is long and full of films I disagree on regarding their merits. At the same time, I love it. What is wrong with Dazed and Confused?


Did you finally watch Caché Pedro? ;)
I actually did edit my list of four-star films, two notable films being The Blair Witch Project and Paranormal Activity both dropped from 10/10 to 9/10. I replaced my original list at the front of this topic, those in bold are the four-star films I champion above the others.


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Post Re: What Films Do You Consider Four-Star Perfect?
majoraphasia wrote:
JamesKunz wrote:
...Detour? Good little dirty noir, but how can you call it perfect with that code-tacked-on ending?


I was answering Josh's question pretty truthfully, if sparsely, when I put up ten movies with Detour among the others. What makes it perfect? It's so insanely flawed; from the overacting to the stock footage to the crazy femme fatale to the obvious cheapness of the whole endeavor, it's pathetically obvious that Detour was rushed through production in all of 6 days. SIX! What a fucking mess that movie is! It's kind of honest for that messiness. I love the atmosphere and the cheapness, how they combine to form this surreal little movie that has GRADE B stamped all over it. I love me some b-grade movies and Detour is the most b-gradiest of them all -- it's got that LET'S GET THIS FUCKING THING DONE!!!! charm and remains the greatest B movie of all time. Who said a perfect movie had to be perfect? Not I said the me.


Well I can't really argue with you there.
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Did you finally watch Caché Pedro?


Hahahahaha good one Josh

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Post Re: What Films Do You Consider Four-Star Perfect?
JJoshay wrote:
Did you finally watch Caché Pedro? ;)

I've actually seen Cache three times. I can safely say it's a better movie than Jonah Hex. Wait, I haven't seen that yet.

JamesKunz wrote:
I gotta say Pedro, you've seemed a little glum lately. Everything okay?

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Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:46 pm
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Pedro wrote:
3. Citizen Kane (1941)
6. Do the Right Thing (1989)
7. Pulp Fiction (1994)

9. Cache (2005)
10. In the Mood For Love (2000)

16. It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
18. The Seventh Seal (1957)
19. Solaris (1972)

22. Dogville (2003)
24. The Rules of the Game (1939)
25. Naked (1993)
28. The Blair Witch Project (1999)

33. M (1931)
38. Seven Samurai (1954)


44. La Strada (1954)
45. Rashomon (1950)
46. Man With the Movie Camera (1929)
47. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)

53. The Conformist (1970)
54. 8½ (1963)

56. Casablanca (1942)
58. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
60. An Evening With Kevin Smith (2002)

66. The Battle of Algiers (1966)

76. The Battleship Potemkin (1925)

85. Modern Times (1936)


Oh my God. I fucking love you Pedro. That list. Naked? M? Dogville? The Conformist? By the time I reached 8 1/2 I had nearly came all over my screen. I might disagree with you on some of those being perfect, but oh my God. Can I have your children? You know what Pedro, I've got a free movie night in front of me. Just for those choices, I'm finally going to watch Eraserhead. Let's see what happens.

Anyway. The bolded above would go on my list (the others I just really really really love. But they're not perfect), along with the following:

Andrei Rublev
Apocalypse Now
Carnival of Souls (Go up to major's post on Detour and remove the details and it describes perfectly how I feel about this one)
Juliet of the Spirits
The Spirit of the Beehive
Pulse (2001)
The Enigma of Kausper Hauser
Annie Hall
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Vertigo
Peeping Tom
Odd Man Out
Dawn of the Dead
Viridiana
Ordet

I may be forgetting some seeing as how I don't have my movie log in front of me, but I'm satisfied with that list.


Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:08 pm
Post Re: What Films Do You Consider Four-Star Perfect?
Alright, I'll play. here's my 10's that I feel confident about:


Sin City
Batman Begins
Dark Knight
Batman '89
Lion King
Bambi
My Fair Lady
Gone with the Wind
Toy Story 1 and 2
Dark City
Terminator 1 and 2
Citizen Kane
Jaws
Star Wars Episodes IV and V
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Field of Dreams
Iron Giant
Dr. Strangelove
Manchurian Candidate original
Nightmare before Christmas
Princess Bride
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Goodfellas
Godfather II
City of God
Run Lola Run
Clerks
Alien and Aliens
French Connection
John Carpenter's The Thing
Pulp Fiction
Inglorious Basterds
Cinema Paradiso
Speed
Hard Boiled
Die hard
The Shining
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
Taxi Driver
Saw...fuck you
Almost Famous
Castle in the Sky
Spirited Away
King Kong '33
Some Like it Hot
Se7en
Casino Royale
Hot Fuzz
There Will be Blood
Wall-E


Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:44 pm
Post Re: What Films Do You Consider Four-Star Perfect?
Didn't know you thought so highly of There Will Be Blood Pat.


Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:16 pm
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Patrick wrote:
Alright, I'll play. here's my 10's that I feel confident about:


Sin City
Batman Begins
Dark Knight
Batman '89
Lion King
Bambi
My Fair Lady
Gone with the Wind
Toy Story 1 and 2
Dark City
Terminator 1 and 2
Citizen Kane
Jaws
Star Wars Episodes IV and V
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Field of Dreams
Iron Giant
Dr. Strangelove
Manchurian Candidate original
Nightmare before Christmas
Princess Bride
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Goodfellas
Godfather II
City of God
Run Lola Run
Clerks
Alien and Aliens
French Connection
John Carpenter's The Thing
Pulp Fiction
Inglorious Basterds
Cinema Paradiso
Speed
Hard Boiled
Die hard
The Shining
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
Taxi Driver
Saw...fuck you
Almost Famous
Castle in the Sky
Spirited Away
King Kong '33
Some Like it Hot
Se7en
Casino Royale
Hot Fuzz
There Will be Blood
Wall-E


Liiieeeessssss. Where is The Marine?

On a more positive note, I hadn't realised that you're a big Iron Giant fan too. Very cool Paddy, very cool.


Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:00 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Alright, I'll play. here's my 10's that I feel confident about:


Sin City
Batman Begins
Dark Knight
Batman '89
Lion King
Bambi
My Fair Lady
Gone with the Wind
Toy Story 1 and 2
Dark City
Terminator 1 and 2
Citizen Kane
Jaws
Star Wars Episodes IV and V
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Field of Dreams
Iron Giant
Dr. Strangelove
Manchurian Candidate original
Nightmare before Christmas
Princess Bride
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Goodfellas
Godfather II
City of God
Run Lola Run
Clerks
Alien and Aliens
French Connection
John Carpenter's The Thing
Pulp Fiction
Inglorious Basterds
Cinema Paradiso
Speed
Hard Boiled
Die hard
The Shining
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
Taxi Driver
Saw...fuck you
Almost Famous
Castle in the Sky
Spirited Away
King Kong '33
Some Like it Hot
Se7en
Casino Royale
Hot Fuzz
There Will be Blood
Wall-E


Liiieeeessssss. Where is The Marine?

On a more positive note, I hadn't realised that you're a big Iron Giant fan too. Very cool Paddy, very cool.


I think for the purpose of this thread, The Marine was cut, Predator was cut, 300 was cut and Cloverfield was cut for not being that perfect but extremely entertaining. Then I cut more since it's been a while since I saw 'em.


Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:03 pm
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None, there is always something which could have been better - and I am not that picky! But when the word "perfect" comes up, I am!

Here is a list of films which are so well constructed, getting the mood right, drawing you in, so well performed, so well photographed, directed and everything seems to fit, that I will forget their little flaws.

In no particular order:

The Silence of the Lambs
Se7en
12 Angry Men
Once Upon A Time in the West
The Wizard of Oz
Vertigo
Die Hard
Witness for the Prosecution
Memento
Alien
Das Boot
Run Lola Run
Before Sunrise
Midnight Cowboy
Deliverance
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Jaws

O.K. I'd like to explain why not:

Saving Private Ryan: because the opening and closing sequences (not counting the bookends on the graveyard) are far, far superior to the mediorce story in between. I once read a wonderful description of this movie: "crap, genius, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, genius, crap" - that reflects my opinion 100%

Schindler's List: I can't tell you exactly, but something 's off. Still an awesome and brutal - and important - movie.

Amélie: cute but rather an exeercise in style than a movie.

Glengarry Glen Ross: almost, almost, but a story about a run down office where people are forced and threatened into closing deals which are almost impossible to make - too depressing. Still a great flick!

Psycho: near perfect BUT when detective Abogast falls doen the stairs being stabbed with very, very bad special FX (Hitch, whom I worship!, would later be able to top cheezy special FX in Marnie) and the psychologist "explainig" it all to us at the end (very heavy handed), ruin the movie. Take out the final speech and cut the Abogast-stabbing scene to look more convincing - and you have a perfect 4 star movie.

The Sweet Hereafter: again almost, almost: the extreme passive and desparate nature of this movie (it is extremely pessimistic) plus abuses and problems added to the story and almost every adult character - too negative for my taste. Where's the balance? I love this picture, but I don't need the message: "life sucks because it sucks and no matter what you do it sucks and there's no hope, the Pied Piper killed the children - but Canada and it's snowy landscapes are pretty" from a movie. I expect a little more.

Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!

Toy Story: oh you will hate me for that: Woody isn't a cowboy, he is Tom Hanks, a mild mannered guy who does't even look like a cowboy. He has "lovable" built in. Sorry: too sappy.


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Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!


But this wasn't intended to be an "original" movie: it's meant to invoke the serials of the 1930s and 40s, and thus the Nazis are the villain. Would you prefer Crystal Skulled aliens? C'mon Threeperf, think!

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Threeperf35 wrote:
Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!


But this wasn't intended to be an "original" movie: it's meant to invoke the serials of the 1930s and 40s, and thus the Nazis are the villain. Would you prefer Crystal Skulled aliens? C'mon Threeperf, think!


Well I guess I'm a little biased: I'm German-born (please think! Just try. Put yourself in my shoes, there must be an alternative to "the word" vs. Nazis = Germans) I spare you the rest, because I think you are more than educated and intelligent enough.
Furthermore: I greatly appreciate it if the next post would at least try to contradict one of Internet Forums' first rules: if a thread exists long enough, it will invariably end with a post involving WWII, the third Reich, Mr. Hitler from Austria and the unpleasant things (sarcasm/irony alert!) he has done. Thank you for the consideration and not going the easy way - just because you are born somewhere else and as such 1) you are off the hook and 2) free to say anything you want.

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Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:59 pm
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Threeperf35 wrote:
None, there is always something which could have been better - and I am not that picky! But when the word "perfect" comes up, I am!

Here is a list of films which are so well constructed, getting the mood right, drawing you in, so well performed, so well photographed, directed and everything seems to fit, that I will forget their little flaws.

In no particular order:

The Silence of the Lambs
Se7en
12 Angry Men
Once Upon A Time in the West
The Wizard of Oz
Vertigo
Die Hard
Witness for the Prosecution
Memento
Alien
Das Boot
Run Lola Run
Before Sunrise
Midnight Cowboy
Deliverance
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Jaws

O.K. I'd like to explain why not:

Saving Private Ryan: because the opening and closing sequences (not counting the bookends on the graveyard) are far, far superior to the mediorce story in between. I once read a wonderful description of this movie: "crap, genius, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, genius, crap" - that reflects my opinion 100%

Schindler's List: I can't tell you exactly, but something 's off. Still an awesome and brutal - and important - movie.

Amélie: cute but rather an exeercise in style than a movie.

Glengarry Glen Ross: almost, almost, but a story about a run down office where people are forced and threatened into closing deals which are almost impossible to make - too depressing. Still a great flick!

Psycho: near perfect BUT when detective Abogast falls doen the stairs being stabbed with very, very bad special FX (Hitch, whom I worship!, would later be able to top cheezy special FX in Marnie) and the psychologist "explainig" it all to us at the end (very heavy handed), ruin the movie. Take out the final speech and cut the Abogast-stabbing scene to look more convincing - and you have a perfect 4 star movie.

The Sweet Hereafter: again almost, almost: the extreme passive and desparate nature of this movie (it is extremely pessimistic) plus abuses and problems added to the story and almost every adult character - too negative for my taste. Where's the balance? I love this picture, but I don't need the message: "life sucks because it sucks and no matter what you do it sucks and there's no hope, the Pied Piper killed the children - but Canada and it's snowy landscapes are pretty" from a movie. I expect a little more.

Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!

Toy Story: oh you will hate me for that: Woody isn't a cowboy, he is Tom Hanks, a mild mannered guy who does't even look like a cowboy. He has "lovable" built in. Sorry: too sappy.



I'm with you on Raiders of the Lost Ark. I thought that the special effects at the very end were completely unconvincing. Honestly I found The Temple of Doom to be superior. As for The Sweet Hereafter, I left that movie actually feeling more exhilarated than depressed because of how beautifully crafted everything was and this goes beyond just the cinematography. The way the story was structured and the way everything was tied to "The Pied Piper" just had me floored. Affliction, another movie based on a Russell Banks novel, came close to impacting me for similar reasons. I can understand if it's not to your taste tho. Amelie to me was the perfect compromise between quirky, offbeat art-house fair and more mainstream, traditional film-making. The movie's visual sense was just to die for and the characters, despite their odd quirks (or perhaps because of them) were strangely endearing. As for Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, read James' reviews of those movie, which probably explain how I feel about them better than I could do myself.


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Threeperf35 wrote:
JamesKunz wrote:
Threeperf35 wrote:
Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!


But this wasn't intended to be an "original" movie: it's meant to invoke the serials of the 1930s and 40s, and thus the Nazis are the villain. Would you prefer Crystal Skulled aliens? C'mon Threeperf, think!


Well I guess I'm a little biased: I'm German-born (please think! Just try. Put yourself in my shoes, there must be an alternative to "the word" vs. Nazis = Germans) I spare you the rest, because I think you are more than educated and intelligent enough.
Furthermore: I greatly appreciate it if the next post would at least try to contradict one of Internet Forums' first rules: if a thread exists long enough, it will invariably end with a post involving WWII, the third Reich, Mr. Hitler from Austria and the unpleasant things (sarcasm/irony alert!) he has done. Thank you for the consideration and not going the easy way - just because you are born somewhere else and as such 1) you are off the hook and 2) free to say anything you want.

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Yeahhhhh I can see where you're coming from, but I think in Raiders the Nazis make a perfect villain. But let's shift the conversation away from the Nazis and towards their polar opposite...that's right, I want to talk about fluffy bunnies with cute widdle noses!

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Threeperf35 wrote:
Threeperf35 wrote:
Raiders of the lost Arc: can't you come up with something more original than Nazis as villains? I mean: c'mon screenwriters: think!


Well I guess I'm a little biased: I'm German-born (please think! Just try. Put yourself in my shoes, there must be an alternative to "the word" vs. Nazis = Germans) I spare you the rest, because I think you are more than educated and intelligent enough.
Furthermore: I greatly appreciate it if the next post would at least try to contradict one of Internet Forums' first rules: if a thread exists long enough, it will invariably end with a post involving WWII, the third Reich, Mr. Hitler from Austria and the unpleasant things (sarcasm/irony alert!) he has done. Thank you for the consideration and not going the easy way - just because you are born somewhere else and as such 1) you are off the hook and 2) free to say anything you want.

I know I'll be in trouble the moment I brought this up.
I know Its a shitty job, but someone has to do it. Quote from?


Yeahhhhh I can see where you're coming from, but I think in Raiders the Nazis make a perfect villain. But let's shift the conversation away from the Nazis and towards their polar opposite...that's right, I want to talk about fluffy bunnies with cute widdle noses!


Tim: Well, that's no ordinary rabbit.
King Arthur: Ohh.
Tim: That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on


Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:59 am
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JamesKunz wrote:
Yeahhhhh I can see where you're coming from, but I think in Raiders the Nazis make a perfect villain. But let's shift the conversation away from the Nazis and towards their polar opposite...that's right, I want to talk about fluffy bunnies with cute widdle noses!


"Put the bunny back in the box!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyEd0dTzG2M

No, Con Air is not one of my favorite movies (it follows the "Sweet Home Alabama" rule, which I mentioned before: stay clear of any movie with that song in it! :lol: ) but a few things and lines from that movie are so extremely bad, they are brilliant. I love this one: "There are only two people in this world I trust. One is me and the other one ain't you!" delivered by a buffed up, sweaty Nick Cage with a filthy Mullet, in a fake southern accent. Doesn't get better than this!


Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:21 am
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My list of absolutely not perfect, but still 4 star movies in my mind (in order newest to oldest just to point out how many movies before 2000 aren't on here so everyone can complain)

Adventureland (2009, Greg Mottola)
Inglourious Basterds (2009, Quentin Tarantino)
The Dark Knight (2008, Christopher Nolan)
Rachel Getting Married (2008, Jonathon Demme)
Slumdog Millionaire (2008, Danny Boyle)
Atonement (2007, Joe Wright)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007, David Yates)
Into the Wild (2007, Sean Penn)
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007, Tim Burton)
3:10 to Yuma (2007, James Mangold)
Pan's Labyrinth (2006, Guillermo del Toro)
Memento (2000, Christopher Nolan)
Toy Story 2 (1999, John Lasseter)
The Matrix (1998, Wachowski Brothers)
Halloween (1978, John Carpenter)
The Wizard of Oz (1939, Victor Fleming)


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Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:57 pm
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I guess I should toss in my picks for films I consider to be worthy of the highest rating:

The Dark Knight
Ran
Blade Runner: The Director's Cut
2001: A Space Odyssey
Platoon
Das Boot
Pulp Fiction
Saving Private Ryan
Thief
Pan's Labyrinth
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Heavenly Creatures
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver
Silence of the Lambs
The Empire Strikes Back (Star Wars)

That's all for me for now. There are plenty of good films out there, of course, but few that I'd rank right up at the very top.


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The Empire Strikes Back (Star Wars)


Thanks for differentiating between the other Empire Strikes Back that aren't Star Wars related

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