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Gimme your Top10 of the 00s: I'd like to collate our lists..
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Kyle
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:02 am |
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Kyle
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 |  |  |  | Pedro wrote: It probably would've been better if you didn't say anything, because... it happened. Criticize me all you want for it, I stand by my choice. My reasonings:
1. Cache is directed by a talented man with a talented cast and crew. It simply isn't a bad film and when I do see it, I'll appreciate it on that level alone. 2. I'm familiar with Michael Haneke's work. I saw Funny Games and found it to be very powerful. I've also seen part of The Piano Teacher. I dug what I saw. I'm very much looking forward to The White Ribbon. 2.5. Ed posted a list - that I criticized, mind you - in another topic that declared the aforementioned Thai film the best of the decade. It may very well be the best of the decade; I didn't put it on my list, nor did I see anyone else putting it on theirs. Why not? No one's familiar with Weerasethakul's work. Maybe it's a shame; I'll never know until I see it, and yet the topic called for a post now. Another list I saw declared Cache as the best of the decade. When I saw that, I went, "I get it." That's not something I could say about Syndromes. 3. Every list that I've seen from people I respect rate Cache very highly, so taking that into account, plus what I know about the story, there's no reason for me to think that my enjoyment of it won't be INCREDIBLY high.
If you're going to criticize anything, criticize my placement of it. Of all ten, for that matter. The placement of the ten in general is fairly arbitrary. However, these ten exemplify skill that deserve to be put in the best category. I purposefully excluded There Will Be Blood, WALL-E, 4 Months..., Requiem For a Dream, Lost in Translation, and others because I didn't find them worthy. Some of those I flat out enjoyed more than the ten I chose, but they didn't make the cut. I chose the ten I chose because that's where I am at this moment in time. I don't know why I have to explain this.
(For the record, I do see the difference between "best" and "favorite". However, it's pretty pointless given that I couldn't find a better film than my favorite.)
Look, I see where you're coming from, but I'll probably watch Cache later this month and go, "Yep, deserves to be mentioned as one of the best of the decade." I can make that judgment because I know what movies I like. Maybe in a year, it'll be nothing but foreign films that I uncovered plus Memento. Who knows? This is my snapshot, my subjective objectivity of the decade right this second, as that's what the topic called for. I have nothing more to say on the matter. |  |  |  |  |
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JamesKunz
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Thanks for your lists guy; this is fun. Pedro: I loved Funny Games and came out comparatively unmoved by Cache when I saw it for the first time this week. Wouldn't even crack my Top 100 of the decade, though overall I thought its strengths overcame its weaknesses. Moreover, your logic is flawed--Hitchcock is my favorite director, but I don't think Rear Window is great. Could I have put Rear Window in a "Best of the 50s" list before I saw it, assuming that because it was by Hitchcock and critically beloved that I would have loved it too? As for the LOTR as one film logic, it admittedly holds up better than "The Godfather I & II as one film" (um...no) and the "Three Colors as one film" logic (absolutely ridiculous) because they were all made together, like the second and third sequels to Back to the Future, Matrix, or Pirates of the Caribbean films. HOWEVER, in ALL cases the filmmakers were well aware that they weren't making one giant film. It was known all along that they were going to be separated, unlike (say) The Kill Bill films. The filmmakers told the story of LotR fully cognizant that they were making three films. Fellowship, for instance, definitely draws to a conclusion (and, ironically, a more fulfilling one than RotK  ). Therefore to include all three as one film seems off base. *Face-punch*
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:00 am |
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Unke
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10. X-Men 9. Let the Right One in 8. Apocalypto 7. Moon 6. City of God 5. Memento 4. Caché 3. Mulholland Dr. 2. No Country for Old Men 1. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship(*)
Btw, I don't think that it is possible to make a difference between personal favourites and "best" films. How do you define "best" differently from "what I liked best"?
(*) The problem with singling out individual LotR-films is that most people (I know) watch them in succession or on successive days. You just don't pop in any LoTR movie into the DVD player and stop there. Normally, I would have to add the other LotR movies in the top 10 of the decade, but that'd be a boring list, wouldn't it?
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:51 am |
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JamesKunz
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I'm not being confrontational or annoyed, just perplexed, when I say that I have no idea why people have such difficulty differentiating between "best" and "favorite" when it comes to movies (or books for that matter). Do you not like any movies you know are bad? Do you not have any 'guilty pleasures?' Both concepts imply that personal affection is different from a less-biased evaluation.
For example:
-I loved watching the movie Scarecrow Gone Wild with my friends at college. It was enjoyable and I've seen it three times. I've only seen The Seventh Seal once and found it much less enjoyable to sit through. But the latter is a FAR better film. -V for Vendetta is one of my favorite films. Own it, saw it in theaters twice, etc. But I STILL wouldn't give it more than ***. Because it has major problems as a film. But I like it more than, say, Apocalypse Now, which is a flawless **** piece of moviemaking. -My brothers and I can quote almost the entire screenplay of 15 Minutes, a forgotten Robert DeNiro vehicle. We love that film much more than, say, Taxi Driver, but all of us would find Scorsese's film to be much more meritorious.
I recognize that some people (like Evenflow, apparently) only like movies that are great, but most people I've met have favorite movies that they'll admit have major, major issues when viewed as films. I finished watching Citizen Kane and was awestruck at its greatness. I came out of Dark City thinking the ending was kinda weak. But Dark City is a favorite movie of mine and Citizen Kane is a great movie but not one I even own. Is that so hard to fathom?
Thanks for your list though
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:10 am |
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Unke
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 |  |  |  | JamesKunz wrote: I'm not being confrontational or annoyed, just perplexed, when I say that I have no idea why people have such difficulty differentiating between "best" and "favorite" when it comes to movies (or books for that matter). Do you not like any movies you know are bad? Do you not have any 'guilty pleasures?' Both concepts imply that personal affection is different from a less-biased evaluation.
For example:
-I loved watching the movie Scarecrow Gone Wild with my friends at college. It was enjoyable and I've seen it three times. I've only seen The Seventh Seal once and found it much less enjoyable to sit through. But the latter is a FAR better film. -V for Vendetta is one of my favorite films. Own it, saw it in theaters twice, etc. But I STILL wouldn't give it more than ***. Because it has major problems as a film. But I like it more than, say, Apocalypse Now, which is a flawless **** piece of moviemaking. -My brothers and I can quote almost the entire screenplay of 15 Minutes, a forgotten Robert DeNiro vehicle. We love that film much more than, say, Taxi Driver, but all of us would find Scorsese's film to be much more meritorious.
I recognize that some people (like Evenflow, apparently) only like movies that are great, but most people I've met have favorite movies that they'll admit have major, major issues when viewed as films. I finished watching Citizen Kane and was awestruck at its greatness. I came out of Dark City thinking the ending was kinda weak. But Dark City is a favorite movie of mine and Citizen Kane is a great movie but not one I even own. Is that so hard to fathom?
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You assume that there are objective criteria to judge a film. Granted, with the necessary expert knowledge, you could probably say that the technical aspects like the lighting, editing, soundmix etc. of one movie are objectively better than of another one. But there are several "soft" criteria for judging a film. Ultimately, when a film is judged overall, it comes down to the experience of watching it, which is completely subjective. And no, I don't like any film that I consider to be bad. Of course, I like films that most people/critics/cinephiles etc. consider to be bad. You know what? I think they're wrong, even if I may be in a minority of one. And I'm usually able to back up my opinion with arguments. I also don't think that there is any film, which is flawless. If you really wanted to, you could find something to dislike in any film. For instance, I once watched 2001 - A Space Odyssey with a friend. This is one of my favourite films and generally regarded as a classic. My friend thought it was a ridiculous movie, mostly because he thought the ape costumes were silly and he couldn't get into the film after having giggled his way throughout the first third of the film. I never even noticed that the ape costumes aren't exactly convincing, because I don't mind these things very much. It all comes down to personal preference in the end.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:56 am |
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 Re: Gimme your Top10 of the 00s: I'd like to collate our lists..
 |  |  |  | JamesKunz wrote: I'm not being confrontational or annoyed, just perplexed, when I say that I have no idea why people have such difficulty differentiating between "best" and "favorite" when it comes to movies (or books for that matter). Do you not like any movies you know are bad? Do you not have any 'guilty pleasures?' Both concepts imply that personal affection is different from a less-biased evaluation.
For example:
-I loved watching the movie Scarecrow Gone Wild with my friends at college. It was enjoyable and I've seen it three times. I've only seen The Seventh Seal once and found it much less enjoyable to sit through. But the latter is a FAR better film. -V for Vendetta is one of my favorite films. Own it, saw it in theaters twice, etc. But I STILL wouldn't give it more than ***. Because it has major problems as a film. But I like it more than, say, Apocalypse Now, which is a flawless **** piece of moviemaking. -My brothers and I can quote almost the entire screenplay of 15 Minutes, a forgotten Robert DeNiro vehicle. We love that film much more than, say, Taxi Driver, but all of us would find Scorsese's film to be much more meritorious.
I recognize that some people (like Evenflow, apparently) only like movies that are great, but most people I've met have favorite movies that they'll admit have major, major issues when viewed as films. I finished watching Citizen Kane and was awestruck at its greatness. I came out of Dark City thinking the ending was kinda weak. But Dark City is a favorite movie of mine and Citizen Kane is a great movie but not one I even own. Is that so hard to fathom?
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Scarecrow GOne Wild? Love that movie, it's actually a sequel to 2 other Scarecrow films in case you didn't know-Scarecrow, and Scarecrow Slayer, both just as fun, I would much rather watch those types of mindless films over critically accalimed ones like Seventh Seal(Which I haven't seen as it's not my type of film) ANY day of the week.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:17 pm |
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JamesKunz
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Glad to know there are other Scarecrow Gone Wild fans out there. Do you have a Top 10 list Vexer? I'm curious what's on it.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:31 pm |
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... I never said I only enjoy great films; I can enjoy films with heavy flaws. However, almost any film I watch (excepting 'Battle Royale', which I really have no reason to enjoy and thus love thrice as much) has to have some kind of gravity and it has to ring of truth. Is 'Planes, Trains & Automobiles' a great motion picture? Absolutely not - the soundtrack is irritating, most of the characters are simply there to add to jokes/bolster stereotypes (although you have to enjoy Dylan Baker as a redneck, of all things), and some people will find the ending to be extremely misguided in attempting to give the characters some kind of dignity and depth. I think it's a totally enjoyable, atmospheric film (it is one of the few holiday films to actually feel seasonal) that takes a final act plunge into memorability by revealing shades of character which other directors would shy away from or overload with dramatic excess. It understands that it is a mainstream comedy, yet never once does that seem to allow John Hughes to become lazy or uninvolved with the characters. It simply meant that he considered his work with a consistent logic and care, and one of the many reasons I enjoy the film is because I appreciate the subtle attention Hughes pays to the audience's intelligence (for a light comedy, its done well enough for me - it's above Fight Club and Rashomon by a few spots). I also think 'Scarface', which is in some ways a hideously overblown film, to be an excellent piece of film making in it's own bizarro-world kind of way. I think it was made the way it was meant to be made, and if it is flawed, well, that's kind of the point. I also own 'Beverly Hills Cop', 'American Pie', 'Bend It Like Beckham', 'Beetlejuice', 'Flirting', 'The Freshman' (1990), 'Jerry Maguire', 'Lethal Weapon 3', 'Mulan', 'My Cousin Vinny', etc. I suppose mentioning those films as examples of motion pictures that are not, in act, great would make me more pretentious. Whoops  Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoy each of those films despite some glaring holes. I also love 'Apoclaypse Now' (#63), but anyone who says that it is a flawless piece of film making fell asleep during the final half hour.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:56 pm |
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JamesKunz
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Hmmmm I've never understood the Brando hate. I think Apocalypse Now is best viewed as a journey into Hell. Each step on the journey is yet more dark--the Playboy bunnies are beautiful, but they're the grapes Tantalus could never grasp--so what better way to end the journey than with the Devil himself, a monstrous and insane figure of evil surrounded by his legions of imps and demons? And in order to kill Brando, Sheen has to become the new devil (the shot of him rising through the muck is masterful). Sublime.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:06 pm |
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Grrr...2009 isn't over and the pedant in me doesn't want to make any list yet. However, the cause is noble, so I'll oblige. Also, Kunzy is gonna have to do a whole lotta face punching.
10. Artificial Intelligence: AI (2001) 09. Talk to Her (2002) 08. Children of Men (2006) 07. Inglourious Basterds (2009) 06. O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000) 05. Sideways (2004) 04. The Lives of Others (2006) 03. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) 02. Memento (2000) 01. The Lord of the Rings. I won't separate them, but if you want to, go ahead.
FYI, this was unbelievably difficult to do. I can't believe I left both No Country for Old Men AND There Will Be Blood of my list. Perhaps, after some repeated viewing, this will change in the future.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:19 pm |
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JamesKunz
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I agree, but while I'm very much looking forward to seeing Up in the Air, Invictus, et al. I don't think they're gonna crack my Top 10. I like your list for the most part. I'm glad to see some Sideways love, but I'm still mad at you for the #1 slot. *Face-punch*
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:40 pm |
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calvero
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In no order:
No Country For Old Men City of God Almost Famous Memento History of Violence Constant Gardener Lives of Others Brokeback Mountain United 93 Session 9
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:14 pm |
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JamesKunz
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Well for the purposes of the post they needed to be in order, but whatevs 
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:26 pm |
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calvero
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I think ranking movies is sort of inane (& I bet most critics do as well, they just do it because the public loves that stuff. I love it as well, but can't really comprehend what sort of thought process goes into deciding what the difference is between putting a film at #6 & putting it at #7. Presumably you like them both a lot, so what does it matter where there are placed?) It looks like this thread is turning into a list of everyone's 'favorites,' hope you aren't too offended.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:40 pm |
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JamesKunz
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*Grins* What I tried to prevent has in fact come to pass! I'll get over it.
I agree that ranking films 1-10 is pretty silly. Often 3 films, or 2, truly strike me as better than the other 7-8 on the list, and the placement of the rest is always fluctuating (at best) or arbitrary, at worst. Still, I thought collating everyone's lists would be fun, so I was willing to deal with a little artificiality.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:52 pm |
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10. Brokeback Mountain (2005) 9. Children of Men (2006) 8. Pan's Labyrinth (2006) 7. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) 6. Munich (2005) 5. No Country for Old Men (2007) 4. The Wrestler (2008) 3. Serenity (2005) 2. Mulholland Drive (2001) 1. Requiem for a Dream (2000)
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:28 pm |
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corpen11
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I understand your opinion, but even when you rank your films aren't they basically in the same ballpark. I may have a list of my bad films of 2000's from 1-10, but all films are the same because I don't want to see those films again. The list can be interchangable, no problem really.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:02 pm |
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JamesKunz
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Plus making lists is fun. Watching movies is fun. Making lists about movies is really fun.
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| Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:12 pm |
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corpen11
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 True.
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