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Gimme your Top10 of the 00s: I'd like to collate our lists.. 
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And come up with a Reelviews Forums Top 10 of the Decade, which I think would be pretty neat.

So list your Top 10 best films (not favorite films: I don't want to see The Happening on anyone's entry :D) ranked in order of greatness and plunk it down. When we get enough lists I'll collate the data, assigning 14 points to each number one, 9 to each number two, 8 to each number three, and so on down the line. Of course you can also critique other's lists and so on--it's for fun not for a study or anything. If you want to list honorable mentions you may, but I'm not going to count them.

10. Revolutionary Road (2008)
9. Memento (2001)
8. The Constant Gardener (2005)
7. Gone Baby Gone (2007)
6. The Last King of Scotland (2006)
5. Lilya-4-Ever (2002)
4. The Grey Zone (2001)
3. City of God (2002)
2. Pan's Labyrinth (2006)
1. Requiem for a Dream (2000)

A pretty good list I think, though when I come back here later I'll probably have a different view on the harder-to-fill-out 7-10 section. I'm sad I had to leave off Casino Royale, but though it is a favorite film that is more dear to me than, say, Memento, it's not as good a film.

P.S. Oh, and if you try to count the LotR movies as one film, I will punch you in your face. :)

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Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:04 pm
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Even when people put down their list for the 10 best films, their opinion and tastes are going to be taken into account just like with the favorites list.


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Yeah, agreed. Subjectivity is impossible to avoid with art. As well it should be. And I happen to love many movies I consider great. However, that doesn't mean I would include The Towering Inferno on a list of great films of the 70s just because it meant a lot to me as a child. Make sense?

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So list your Top 10 best films (not favorite films


I'm sure I'm not the first one to find your making a distinction between 'favorite' & 'best' a little odd. Many film critics would agree(I remember Ebert being asked this many times over the years, to him there is no difference)

check out what types of films some critics & filmakers submitted for Sight & Sound's poll for the best films of all time in 2002

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/index.html

a vote for Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! is equal to a vote for Rashomon, they aren't weighed differently.


Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:35 pm
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I'd rather watch 'The Happening' over pretentious, pointless garbage like 'The Grey Zone'. If you think Mark Wahlberg mugs it up in the former, wait until you see Harvey Keitel literally scenery chew all of Auschwitz into sizable bits.


What if our favorite films happen to be the films we decide are the best of the decade? I mean, why else would they be favorites unless we have high opinions of them anyhow? I don't 'get' your central premise, but I'll play along and list the movies that I think were truly the best of the decade.


10. 'The Pianist' (Which is far better than Nelson's defunct downer.)

9. 'Million Dollar Baby' (Which, upon inspection, is truly one of the most multi-dimensional films of the decade.)

8. 'No Country For Old Men' (A very good thriller, but more a perfect drama which hammers its central message home without either sensationalism or compromise.)

7. 'Memento' (An excellent film with a few holes and a tendency towards the conventional that occasionally seeps through. My personal #2 of the decade in terms of emotional impact, but that's very subjective, obviously.)

6. 'Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers' ( A superior film to the successful but occasionally patch-work epilogue 'Fellowship', this is quite possibly the best second installment of any widely acclaimed trilogy out there.)

5. 'Lost In Translation' (Easily one of the best dramas of the decade, this unhurried, mesmerizing film has the power to suck you into its world with unconditional success. The best film Bill Murray has ever been attached to, which also contains his definitive performance.)

4. 'The Dark Knight' (It is difficult to deny such heavily concentrated quality. This film literally has the chance to please any member of any audience with both it's formidable action scenes and its tremendously oppressive sense of utter ghoulishness.)

3. 'Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King' (The best film of the most artistically successful trilogy of all time. Elaboration is pointless.)

2. 'City Of God' (By far the best 'virtuoso' directorial job of the decade, this film has an intensity unlike anything else put on celluloid these past ten years.)

1. 'YiYi' (The best film of the decade, if not for breadth than for sheer artistry and consistency. Not one scene rings false.)


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10.Ray
9.Crash
8.The 25th Hour
7.The Last King of Scotland
6.Monster's Ball
5.Ratatouille
4.LOTR: TROTK
3.No Country for Old Men
2.The Departed
1.Mulholland Dr.


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Post Re: Gimme your Top10 of the 00s: I'd like to collate our lists..
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I don't 'get' your central premise, but I'll play along and list the movies that I think were truly the best of the decade.


Thanks for your responses.
Evenflow: I don't understand why people have such trouble with distinguishing between favorites and bests. Don't you like any bad movies? Because if you think "best" is synonymous with "favorite," then it's literally impossible to like a bad film, since your liking makes it a good film. Right? So yeah while Zulu is my favorite film of all time, I certainly don't think it's a better film than Apocalypse Now.
I'm surprised you hate The Grey Zone so much. I do like The Pianist quite a lot, and it would have made my Top 15 had I extended it in such a manner.
Corpen: Interesting to see a Crash supporter on the Forums

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There is a very small factor of subjectivity to me between favorite films and 'best' films, in that I react to films that are intelligent and display a proper amount of gravity. These are usually the sorts of films that become critically acclaimed, and I admire them, for my own purposes, because they are well-constructed and are truly delightful to watch unfold. Even the most rose-colored lenses cannot diminish a film with glaring inadequacies. This might be different for other people, but for me, it is unthinkable. I also need to film to have an impact, which alot of more elitist efforts lack in place of implied meaning and abstract interpretation. This is why I approach lists from Sight And Sound (especially those detailing recent years) very cautiously. Sometimes, I think the people who praise these films secretly hate cinema and wish to condemn the art of criticism. Usually, they succeed.

My hatred for 'The Grey Zone' comes from a variety of factors. For one, the continued impact of 'Night And Fog' (the one and only film of exhaustive despair the Holocaust will ever need) renders it redundant. The production values, even for a film derived from a stage play, are unremittingly minimalist, so therefore any visceral impact to be gained from Nelson's darker intentions is negated. "Schindler's List", despite being a much more hopeful film, also displayed the horror of the Holocaust, but did so within the context of a story which gave the material additional depth, and with the sort of production values that made the atrocities even more detailed and punishing. Therefore, Spielberg's film manages to display a streak of determinism without pulling one punch about the horrors of the Nazi's actions. I see no reason, all of the above considered, to count 'The Grey Zone' as an important work. I do not dislike defiantly oppressive or hopeless films, but there has to be a compelling reason to watch the maelstrom ensue other than one director's desire to 'tell it like it was' without the trimmings of superior, or even dynamic, storytelling.


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Do me a favor and watch Night and Fog and count how many times you hear the word "Jew." That's my problem with Resnais's film. But even if it was the end-all be-all, your logic seems too harsh. Even if you consider 8 1/2 to be the definitive film of its type, that doesn't render All That Jazz redundant. More than one worthy film can be made of the same subject.

Judging from the movies you own it would seem though that your tastes more clearly align with what might be considered "good" cinema, though I daresay most of us have some movies like The Happening or The Blob that we like irrespective of their merits. Hell, V for Vendetta is one of my favorite movies and I STILL wouldn't give it more than *** despite all my love for it because it has major problems as a film. But who cares, we're different.

As to the rest of you, I still very much want to hear what your top 10 of the decade were.

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I'm pulling this from my favorites, because that's just how I am. They are my favorites because I think they are great films. Nuff said.

1. The Dark Knight (2008)
2. Atonement (2007)
3. Harry Potter & The Half-Blood Prince (2009)
4. Adventureland (2009)
5. Inglourious Basterds (2009)
6. Into the Wild (2007)
7. Pan's Labyrinth (2007)
8. Rachel Getting Married (2008)
9. Memento (2000)
10. 3:10 to Yuma (2007)


Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:34 pm
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Do me a favor and watch Night and Fog and count how many times you hear the word "Jew." That's my problem with Resnais's film. But even if it was the end-all be-all, your logic seems too harsh. Even if you consider 8 1/2 to be the definitive film of its type, that doesn't render All That Jazz redundant. More than one worthy film can be made of the same subject.

Judging from the movies you own it would seem though that your tastes more clearly align with what might be considered "good" cinema, though I daresay most of us have some movies like The Happening or The Blob that we like irrespective of their merits. Hell, V for Vendetta is one of my favorite movies and I STILL wouldn't give it more than *** despite all my love for it because it has major problems as a film. But who cares, we're different.

As to the rest of you, I still very much want to hear what your top 10 of the decade were.


My problem with 'The Grey Zone' is that it present Resnais' point entirely without variation. 'The Pianist' is a perfect counterpoint; it lacks the uplift of Spielberg's film (it only supplies a catharsis right after it devastates us with a cruel piece of information), but finds a story about a survivor which is able to make statements about both the Polish resistance, about the power of art in times of strife and terror, and uses the protagonist's journey to slyly comment on the Holocaust in general. Also, Keitel's lack of a Razzie nod for his role might be the kindest thing that committee has ever done.

I own 'V For Vendetta', and enjoy it (despite parts of the film being complete rubbish). If you want a clearer idea of what I own and watch (mind that this list is over 200 films behind my current total - this was posted in 2007), here is a list I assembled to organize the lot of films I own:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=7273438&page=2

I will now end my participation in the extended rant on this thread. Apparently, Nelson's dogmatically downbeat saga was a bone I was very willing to pick.


Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:44 pm
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10. Mulholland Drive
9. Spirited Away
8. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
7. Cache*
6. No Country For Old Men
5. In the Mood For Love
4. The Dark Knight
3. The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King**
2. City of God
1. Memento

I feel silly for putting Memento at number one, because all of these other films stick out as phenomenal for their own reason. There's no clear cut answer for best of the decade in my book. For the 1940s, it's Citizen Kane. For the 1960s, it's 2001: A Space Odyssey. I can't speak for any other decade, and this one's the hardest.

Unless Avatar's a game changer. But let's not get excited.

*I haven't seen Cache, but I felt like including a Haneke film. I can't deny the power his work can hold.
**I haven't seen ROTK in a long time, but I'll get flack for not including it.

This is the best I could do. I haven't seen Yi Yi, Phil, so if you're wondering why it's not on there, that's why.


Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:01 am
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1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Dark Knight
3. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
4. V for Vendetta
5. The Incredibles
6. Finding Nemo
7. Bridge to Terabithia
8. Iron Man
9. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
10. The Passion of the Christ


Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:39 am
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ShrunkenHead wrote:
1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Dark Knight
3. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
4. V for Vendetta
5. The Incredibles
6. Finding Nemo
7. Bridge to Terabithia
8. Iron Man
9. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
10. The Passion of the Christ


You have incredibly similar tastes to mine. 7 of those movies I absolutely adore, 1 I like, and 2 I haven't seen. Still, those 7 I mentioned are all 3.5 or 4/4 films for me.


Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:58 am
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:03 am
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Pedro wrote:
*I haven't seen Cache, but I felt like including a Haneke film. I can't deny the power his work can hold.


...did this really just happen? Do I really have to say anything? And again... did this seriously... actually... just... happen?


Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:05 am
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Blace wrote:
ShrunkenHead wrote:
1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Dark Knight
3. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
4. V for Vendetta
5. The Incredibles
6. Finding Nemo
7. Bridge to Terabithia
8. Iron Man
9. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
10. The Passion of the Christ


You have incredibly similar tastes to mine. 7 of those movies I absolutely adore, 1 I like, and 2 I haven't seen. Still, those 7 I mentioned are all 3.5 or 4/4 films for me.

:D Nice.


Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:17 am
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1 - The Lord of the Rings (2001 - 2003 - Peter Jackson): Go ahead, punch me in the face for listing all three, don't even count it if you want, I don't care, I stand by my decision to list it as number one and here's why. The Lord of the Rings is a trilogy by technicality and name only, Tolkien never intended it to be a trilogy, he wrote it as one book and it was split (albeit with permission) by the publishers and Tolkien edited the set appropriately. No part of the Lord of the Rings, I'm talking about the movie, is lesser then the other because, quite frankly no single one of these films could be as great as it is without the other two, they all mesh together into one inseparable mold that is one film. I cannot separate these films, cannot say that one is my favorite or I feel that one is the weakest while another the strongest, or that one holds superior merit above the others, because they are all the same. Think of it as the perfect miniseries missing parts, talk about unsatisfying.

Considering James has the trio together in his top 100, I don't think anyone here will begrudge you for doing the same.


Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:20 am
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JJoshay wrote:
Pedro wrote:
*I haven't seen Cache, but I felt like including a Haneke film. I can't deny the power his work can hold.


...did this really just happen? Do I really have to say anything? And again... did this seriously... actually... just... happen?


It probably would've been better if you didn't say anything, because... it happened. Criticize me all you want for it, I stand by my choice. My reasonings:

1. Cache is directed by a talented man with a talented cast and crew. It simply isn't a bad film and when I do see it, I'll appreciate it on that level alone.
2. I'm familiar with Michael Haneke's work. I saw Funny Games and found it to be very powerful. I've also seen part of The Piano Teacher. I dug what I saw. I'm very much looking forward to The White Ribbon.
2.5. Ed posted a list - that I criticized, mind you - in another topic that declared the aforementioned Thai film the best of the decade. It may very well be the best of the decade; I didn't put it on my list, nor did I see anyone else putting it on theirs. Why not? No one's familiar with Weerasethakul's work. Maybe it's a shame; I'll never know until I see it, and yet the topic called for a post now. Another list I saw declared Cache as the best of the decade. When I saw that, I went, "I get it." That's not something I could say about Syndromes.
3. Every list that I've seen from people I respect rate Cache very highly, so taking that into account, plus what I know about the story, there's no reason for me to think that my enjoyment of it won't be INCREDIBLY high.

If you're going to criticize anything, criticize my placement of it. Of all ten, for that matter. The placement of the ten in general is fairly arbitrary. However, these ten exemplify skill that deserve to be put in the best category. I purposefully excluded There Will Be Blood, WALL-E, 4 Months..., Requiem For a Dream, Lost in Translation, and others because I didn't find them worthy. Some of those I flat out enjoyed more than the ten I chose, but they didn't make the cut. I chose the ten I chose because that's where I am at this moment in time. I don't know why I have to explain this.

(For the record, I do see the difference between "best" and "favorite". However, it's pretty pointless given that I couldn't find a better film than my favorite.)

Look, I see where you're coming from, but I'll probably watch Cache later this month and go, "Yep, deserves to be mentioned as one of the best of the decade." I can make that judgment because I know what movies I like. Maybe in a year, it'll be nothing but foreign films that I uncovered plus Memento. Who knows? This is my snapshot, my subjective objectivity of the decade right this second, as that's what the topic called for. I have nothing more to say on the matter.


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1. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days
2. City of God
3. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
4. Memento
5. The Station Agent
6. Good Night and Good Luck
7. No Country For Old Men
8. Everything Is Illuminated
9. Traffic
10. The Bourne Identity


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