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Click here for the review of Fruitvale Station

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James,

Since you mentioned the George Zimmerman trial verdict, what do you think of the verdict?


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Glad to see a strongly positive review from JB. This is my favorite movie of 2013 thus far, the only one I'd give a four-star rating to, and has a pretty good shot at being No. 1 when all is said and done. Had a profound effect on me.

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If the guy really was a drug dealer in real life, then I have no sympathy.


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JayBob wrote:
If the guy really was a drug dealer in real life, then I have no sympathy.


According to both the film and the Wikipedia article on the events behind the film, Oscar Grant had already served his time in prison for drug dealing and was on parole and "doing well" by his family's attorney (which I took to mean that he was trying to turn his life around) at the time of the incident. Furthermore, his past criminal record is irrelevant to the shooting since Grant was unarmed and the officer involved wasn't aware of his past record.

At any rate, just because he happened to be a drug dealer in the past doesn't mean that it somehow makes him unable to change, nor does it make his death any less tragic for his family.


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I don't know, I have trouble with movies like this, where you already know the ending and then you spend two hours getting to know and like a character just to watch him get senselessly killed. Real life has trouble enough of its own. I mean, it's one thing if you really like the character and he dies for a purpose, like Michael Pena's character in End of Watch. Then at least you can take comfort in their heroism. But just watching someone you've grown to like get senselessly shot? Why would I pay money for that?


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its going from 34 to 1,064 screens this weekend. surprising move, we'll see if it pans out.


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its going from 34 to 1,064 screens this weekend. surprising move, we'll see if it pans out.


I noticed that. My nearest showing is 30 miles away. I think it would be worth the drive though. I'm in blockbuster overload. I need something with substance to help add a little diversity to my summer diet!


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This looks like the type of film that will play much better at home then at a theater, wouldn't want to risk the dramatic moments being interrupted by someone talking on their cell.


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Machiara wrote:
I don't know, I have trouble with movies like this, where you already know the ending and then you spend two hours getting to know and like a character just to watch him get senselessly killed. Real life has trouble enough of its own. I mean, it's one thing if you really like the character and he dies for a purpose, like Michael Pena's character in End of Watch. Then at least you can take comfort in their heroism. But just watching someone you've grown to like get senselessly shot? Why would I pay money for that?


Because this movie tells a story that deserves to be dramatized. And if we don't support movies with substance and a message like this one, we won't get more like them. Does knowing beforehand how a Shakespearean tragedy ends rob the play of its impact?

I can understand not wanting to pony up some money for it, though. Some may not want to watch it simply because the subject matter hits too close to home.

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This looks like the type of film that will play much better at home then at a theater, wouldn't want to risk the dramatic moments being interrupted by someone talking on their cell.


At the art house theater in Bethesda, MD I went to, everyone behaved well. But in a multiplex? Yeah, you might not be so lucky. I recommend a matinee.

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**** and a definite spot on teh year end top ten.

It's like a punch to the gut.

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KWRoss wrote:
At the art house theater in Bethesda, MD I went to, everyone behaved well.

I saw it at the same theater!

I was a little disappointed in it, honestly. I don't think it will end up in my top ten of the year. It was very good, but I think it would have had more impact on me if it hadn't known how it was going to end. In that sense, I agree with Machiara.

I was also surprisingly disappointed with Octavia Spencer's acting. Her delivery in some scenes was just not... very good.


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StatGuy2000 wrote:
JayBob wrote:
If the guy really was a drug dealer in real life, then I have no sympathy.


According to both the film and the Wikipedia article on the events behind the film, Oscar Grant had already served his time in prison for drug dealing and was on parole and "doing well" by his family's attorney (which I took to mean that he was trying to turn his life around) at the time of the incident. Furthermore, his past criminal record is irrelevant to the shooting since Grant was unarmed and the officer involved wasn't aware of his past record.

At any rate, just because he happened to be a drug dealer in the past doesn't mean that it somehow makes him unable to change, nor does it make his death any less tragic for his family.


Yeah you're right. I guess I was offended because I took it to mean they made it a big deal to show him as a drug dealer to "normalise" him or something like that. Like his drug dealing is how his an everyman or whatever. I've been in a family that's been affected by drugs. And I've meet and spoken to drug dealers, they're not nice guys and they're not made that way because of the "unfairness of the establishment" crap that a lot of middle class liberals.


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JayBob wrote:
StatGuy2000 wrote:
JayBob wrote:
If the guy really was a drug dealer in real life, then I have no sympathy.


According to both the film and the Wikipedia article on the events behind the film, Oscar Grant had already served his time in prison for drug dealing and was on parole and "doing well" by his family's attorney (which I took to mean that he was trying to turn his life around) at the time of the incident. Furthermore, his past criminal record is irrelevant to the shooting since Grant was unarmed and the officer involved wasn't aware of his past record.

At any rate, just because he happened to be a drug dealer in the past doesn't mean that it somehow makes him unable to change, nor does it make his death any less tragic for his family.


Yeah you're right. I guess I was offended because I took it to mean they made it a big deal to show him as a drug dealer to "normalise" him or something like that. Like his drug dealing is how his an everyman or whatever. I've been in a family that's been affected by drugs. And I've meet and spoken to drug dealers, they're not nice guys and they're not made that way because of the "unfairness of the establishment" crap that a lot of middle class liberals.

Though demonizing drug dealers dosen't really help much either despite what conservatives would lead you to believe.


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Vexer wrote:
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Though demonizing drug dealers dosen't really help much either despite what conservatives would lead you to believe.


I don't need to demonize them. They do that to themselves pretty easily. And I'm no conservative and my opinions are come from personal experience with them. But hey, maybe drug dealers are different in America than over here.


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JayBob wrote:
Vexer wrote:
JayBob wrote:
Though demonizing drug dealers dosen't really help much either despite what conservatives would lead you to believe.


I don't need to demonize them. They do that to themselves pretty easily. And I'm no conservative and my opinions are come from personal experience with them. But hey, maybe drug dealers are different in America than over here.

In some states Marijuana is legal, and in those states dealers actually deliver door-to-door.

Over here it's usually not the dealers you worry about, rather it's the people who are supplying them that are the real concern.


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