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I first heard the theme song when I arrived in Scotland for my daughter's 2nd birthday (beginning of October). By the time the movie came out, I was tempted to walk out of the screen for five minutes when the opening credits started. I've heard it at least once a day at work on the radio and at this point I cannot stand it. I cannot stand Adele at the best of times (lol wat, Adele?) and I honestly think a better singer could have been hired for this job. And song writer for that matter (nothing ruins a moody song like a 'quirky' backing vocal).

There are few things worse than having a song being overplayed on the radio. I listened to the theme song exactly twice and haven't gone near it since. I feel for you there.

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Dragonbeard wrote:
I first heard the theme song when I arrived in Scotland for my daughter's 2nd birthday (beginning of October). By the time the movie came out, I was tempted to walk out of the screen for five minutes when the opening credits started. I've heard it at least once a day at work on the radio and at this point I cannot stand it. I cannot stand Adele at the best of times (lol wat, Adele?) and I honestly think a better singer could have been hired for this job. And song writer for that matter (nothing ruins a moody song like a 'quirky' backing vocal).

There are few things worse than having a song being overplayed on the radio. I listened to the theme song exactly twice and haven't gone near it since. I feel for you there.

Eh, i like the song well enough, it's certainly better then the theme from Quantum Of Solace, i've only heard a few times and it's not one of those songs that really sticks in my head.


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James, do you think Skyfall could be a contender for a major Oscar? Best Picture? Director? Actor/Actress?


Few hours away from seeing it. I think a nomination is quite possible and quite possibly deserved.


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For Oscars I could see nominations for Cinematography and Original Song, certainly, and really hope a Supporting Actor one for Bardem. (I liked the score but don't know enough about this field to feel if it's oscar-worthy) To a lesser extent, maybe Supporting Actress for Dench and (now wishful thinking, but imo Mendes has done a terrific achievement) Best Director.


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Oh, boy. Was I looking forward to this movie. What a disappointment.

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I like my escapism and my realism well separated, thank you. Especially when it comes to James Bond. This guy was doing amazing before it became commonplace on Youtube. Well, no longer! We're gonna throw this fantastic, ridiculous character into a OCEAN of realism. No more International Man of Mystery here! He's an orphan from Scotland! He takes TWO bullets inside of five minutes! He can't shoot a guy standing still when he's 40 feet away! And it's only gonna get worse.

Now, he's "lost his edge." He drinks (who knew?) and he's apparently afraid of doctors but loves pain pills, and his hands shake. He's like a suburbanite American housewife.

Then it gets more and more goofy - bad decision after bad decision. Delivers himself giftwrapped to the bad guy. Coulda killed the bad guy; didn't. Q plugs in the computer genius' laptop into the MI-6 network, where it magically hacks everything in this "Let's rip off The Dark Knight" scenario.

The bad guy gets to be superhuman, at least...why shoot Bond when you can hit him with a TRAIN MISSILE? Talk about going off the rails, ho HO!

While I understand the need to reinvent Bond occasionally, they already did it six years ago. New actor, the betrayal by Vespa that cements Bond's womanizing nature, new sinister organization (Quantum, who is MIA now?)...a new Bond sandbox to work within. Great! I love Daniel Craig as Bond.

I think Skyfall is the result of the failure of Quantum of Solace ("We need a a NEW new Bond!") and the fact that there is now no vision behind the franchise. Every new movie will be an experiment.

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I'd still rank Casino Royale as the best of the recent Bonds. But this one is a close second.

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Alex wrote:
James, do you think Skyfall could be a contender for a major Oscar? Best Picture? Director? Actor/Actress?


Considering that the Best Picture category has been widened, a nomination is likely. Best Director is possible given that it's Mendes, but I'd say that's a longshot. No Best Actor or Actress, but Dame Judi could have a shot at Best Supporting Actress.

A few interesting tidbits: No Bond film has ever been nominated for a major Oscar. There have been a smattering of technical nominations and even a few wins.
None of the John Barry scores/songs have been nominated for an Oscar. The three Bond songs to be nominated ("Live and Let Die," "Nobody Does it Better," "For Your Eyes Only") were from three non-Barry Bonds. The only score nominated was Marvin Hamlisch's (THE SPY WHO LOVED ME), which is pretty awful.

Bond has fared a little better at the Golden Globes, but credibility is an issue here. In 1970, George Lazenby was nominated for Most Promising Newcomer.


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Just saw it. The tagline should be "We brought Roger Deakins to Shanghai and the Scottish highlands and gave him a camera. You're welcome."

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I saw this today and I really liked, it's a great apology for Quantum of Solace, but there's something that bothers me about it:

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They never did get that list back, did they? So it would it seem that every week, there will be 5 more covers blown on Youtube. And don't think something inconvenient like death would stop Silva from doing it, you can somewhat easily make a bot that could upload a video to youtube...especially since those videos are short, I would think that Silva made them all.


Ok, I'm into Threeperf's Grandpa Simpson-esque ramblings but it is something to think about


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Just saw it. The tagline should be "We brought Roger Deakins to Shanghai and the Scottish highlands and gave him a camera. You're welcome."



Yes! Let's not forget Macau! The visuals reminded me of Wally Pfister by way of Newton Thomas Siegel's work in "Drive."


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Just came back from watching Skyfall. The feeling that it gave me was that the previous two movies were setting the stage for Skyfall to complete the trilogy. Fans of the Connery era will love how
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an Aston Martin
was written in to the story, and a couple of big surprises at the end indelibly announces that James Bond HAS returned.

Living in Asia, one thing that bothers me is how Hollywood often depicts Asia. While I felt that Skyfall represented Shanghai reasonably well (a glass and concrete jungle plastered with neon lights sans the cheongsams and conical hats), its depiction of Macau was laughable. The set looked more like something from 1930's Shanghai gangster movie.

The Macau scene aside though, this was a very enjoyable film, managing to merge some of the escapism and adventure of the old James Bonds with the grittiness that we've come to expect from the Daniel Craig era.

Edit: Spoiler added, and statement about Macau retracted. It turns out that the Macau scene was based on a real floating casino, The Macau Palace. (I've been to Macau numerous times, but wasn't aware of this casino!)


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I'd have used the spoiler button when mentioning the car but ah well :P

Ragnarok73 wrote:
There are few things worse than having a song being overplayed on the radio. I listened to the theme song exactly twice and haven't gone near it since. I feel for you there.


Exactly and I can't even remember how many song's I've potentially liked that have been ruined this way.

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Eh, i like the song well enough, it's certainly better then the theme from Quantum Of Solace, i've only heard a few times and it's not one of those songs that really sticks in my head.


I don't even remember the theme song. I saw the movie once in the cinema and didn't HATE it. It just didn't make me want to rush out and buy the DVD in the same way CR did.

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Just saw it. The tagline should be "We brought Roger Deakins to Shanghai and the Scottish highlands and gave him a camera. You're welcome."


We need a 'like' button for comments like this. Totally agreed.


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Wow, what a great film. Entertaining action and an actual plot and some character development. It is possible in a mainstream pop-culture action film! To add to the broken record praise so far on the forum, the cinematography was beautiful. I am not one that knows about the more technical aspects of the art form, but one doesn't have to be to see it. The film offered everything one could ask for in an action film franchise like this, throw backs, nods, homages (okay, so those are all basically the same thing,) big action scenes, well-choreographed fight scenes, great one-liners, hero overcoming physical ailments that would kill most mortals, and even a little Home Alone thrown in for good measure. Oh, and of course, a great and memorable villain.

I thought the suspense was brought up with each subsequent plot development, including a powerful third act.
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Skyfall is Bond's childhood home! M has been like a surrogate mom (Mum?) to Bond!, like for real though. Why wasn't that Sean Connery!? I just loved everything about this finale. Daniel Craig was great at displaying his cold exterior covering emotions about his past and M while he went all Mcaulay Culkin on Silva.


Had a blast. Bond Will Return!


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A few more thoughts about the villain and themes. Loved that Javier Bardem played another memorable villain in a "new evil" vs "old-fashioned good" to counter the one he played in No Country For Old Men. To further illustrate the similarities and differences between the two characters, see Silva's flamboyantly bad hairdo compared to Chigurh's just plain bad hairdo.

The lines regarding being outdated and such were probably a little too obvious, and definitely blatantly stated too often, but the film otherwise developed and portrayed this theme nicely with a great payoff. Nothing new, as others have mentioned elsewhere, but well done.


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Well crafted movie, but this is the first Bond film in which the leading actress is not a Bond Girl. Judi Dench is the leading actress in this film, in terms of screen time. James Bond is becoming more like Jason Bourne, and I don't know if that's a good thing.


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A lot of people keep likening Craig's Bond to Jason Bourne. In what ways, specifically? I feel the need to ask, because I feel like it's a criticism that is expected to be implicitly understood, but I'm not sure it is. At least, not for me.

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First of all, don't get me wrong, I liked this movie; it was a culmination of what makes bond, bond. Here are some very big plot points, however, that bother me to the point that I cannot shake off:

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1. When bond got to the island, they didn't check him for the radio device? A super smart villain who was once a 00 agent and knew about Q branch didn't check bond for any type of tracking device?

2. How did Silva escape? He was most certainly checked for any type of lethal device before he was put in that glass cell. Not only did he escape, but he took out two armed guards. How? Also, there was no video surveillance in the room with him? I'm sure that was not just glass as well. I can't just take "oh he was a genius so he figured it out." Show us how he figured it out. 10 minutes earlier, you just showed us Bond taking out 5 bad guys...show us how well trained silva was at small arms, hand-to-hand combat. We know he is a genius at computers, show us how he would get out of being captured.

I certainly don't mind using the plot device of "meaning to get captured as part of the evil plan". But if a writer/director is going to use that device, you write in plot points that elaborate and explain on how that device works out. I shouldn't be asking the above questions.

3. As someone said before, where is the list that vanished? It was never recovered and (even after taking out silva) I certainly wouldn't want that list out in the open.


As I said, I liked this movie, but just hate sloppy writing within good movies.


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I liked the movie a lot but I also found it to be incredibly predictable. That might be my fault for reading a lot of the reviews. But that doesn't change the fact that I saw a lot of what happens in this coming a mile away.


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I KNEW that Ralph Fiennes was being brought in to ultimately become the next M and that Dench's M would be killed off at the end of the movie.

I KNEW that Eve would become Moneypenny! That was just totally obvious to me. I still smiled at the end, when she revealed that her last name was Moneypenny though. It was a cute moment.

Also, when Bond had captured Silva, I totally new that Silva was caught because HE WANTED TO BE CAUGHT. It was part of his plan to get revenge on M. Again, I pretty much figured almost the moment he was captured. It was just obvious to me.



So, yeah. I definitely found a lot of the movie to be predictable. But again, I still liked the movie a lot. Right now I give it a B+, but it's one of those that I'll probably like more the more I watch it. I very well could bump it to an A-. Or from the 4 star scale, right now it's a 3 star but I could end up bumping it 3.5 stars soon after watching it again.

On a brief note, I wasn't impressed with Thomas Newman's score for the movie. He usually does great work. I love the work he did for Mendes on Road to Perdition and American Beauty. But here it was just kind of meh. I did like when he incorporated the main James Bond theme though. I just wish he had incorporated a little more.

Finally, this movie needs to get at LEAST 2 Oscar nominations. One for the amazing cinematography by Roger Deakins. The scenes in Shanghai and Scotland are ESPECIALLY incredible looking! I also think Dame Judi Dench is so RICHLY deserving of an Oscar nomination for best supporting actress. She's magnificent in the movie!


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Not sure why there is so much effusive praise for this money. Better than Quantum of Solace is damning with faint praise. Besides a plot that depends simultaneously on the stupidity of the main characters and their brilliance, the central flaw in the film was the villain. In the theater I was in the audience spent more time laughing at Silva than being intimidated by him. His death scene was over the top and ridiculous, something more befitting an Austin Powers movie. Which is too bad because the idea of a betrayed 00 agent turning on MI-6 is a great one indeed.

Furthermore, I don't like where they are going with Bond and how Craig is playing him. We already did a despairing Bond after Casino Royale, so why is he taking leaves of drunken absence again? Bond is supposed to be suave and nonchalant in the most intense of situations and always ready with a witty rejoinder, but not so in this movie where Craig's stony face rarely cracks a smile.

Oh yeah and what was the point of the entire Macau sequence? Could have been thrown away to shorten an already too long movie.

The only redeeming quality here was Judi Dench and the Fall of M. She steals every scene she is in and it's not just because of her acting ability but because all the interesting character interactions involve her. This is a movie about M and not Bond and that is part of what makes is a weak entry in the series.


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That such-and-such scene or sequence can be thrown away without damaging the plot too badly is such a nothing criticism. It assumes that the purpose of everything in a movie is to advance the plot. This is frequently not the case, and perhaps it isn't more often than not.

Paring down movies with the goal of the filmmakers' choices having a one to one relationship with plot advancement almost invariably does more harm than good. Good movies are much more than just a string of things that happen.

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