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Click here for the review of Prometheus

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:55 am
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Despite the flaws that I keep hearing about, including in this review, I am still excited to see this movie. I was a little afraid when I heard that Damon Lindelof had a hand in writing the screenplay, especially since "Lost" ended up being a huge disappointment in terms of answering all the questions, and "Prometheus" seems to suffer from similar problems, but at least it's reaching for big ideas. Cheers to Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi!


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I think the tremendous success of Inception proved that summer audiences can accept intelligent movies centered around "big ideas," provided there's plenty of action/visual effects.


Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:32 pm
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actually, a lot of reviews are saying this movie is "stupid" in a way. Saying that the plot is a mess and the characters make stupid actions and decisions. The response to this film seems very mixed


Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:18 pm
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I actually liked Resurrection and the AVP films, but for some reason this film just dosen't look all that exciting to me, certainly not enough to pay a 3-D surcharge, so it sounds like i'll be better off waiting until this hits DVD.


Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:30 pm
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I must confess, the reviews I have read so far (including James's) have dampened my enthusiasm.

P.S. Note my apostrophe above. I would argue that "a precursor to Alien's Ash and Aliens' Bishop" should be "a precursor to Alien's Ash and Aliens's Bishop", as we are discussing the film Aliens (singular), not aliens (plural).


Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:06 pm
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I can barely remember anything about the Alien movies (probably last saw them at age 12), but I've been excited for this movie, hoping it'd be some great-looking pure-ish sci-fi. James' review (and Ebert's as well) has me excited.

James is going to hate this, but his review makes me think of Knowing--which I love, and which has a lot of the problems James points to in Prometheus, but which nevertheless delivers some thought-provoking sci-fi in a visually interesting package. If Prometheus manages something similar, I'll be thrilled.

Here's hoping I can convince my wife to go see it with me this weekend.


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Hey James, without spoiling too much, would you say the problems with the film start in the last act? That seems to be the common criticism.


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Alex wrote:
P.S. Note my apostrophe above. I would argue that "a precursor to Alien's Ash and Aliens' Bishop" should be "a precursor to Alien's Ash and Aliens's Bishop", as we are discussing the film Aliens (singular), not aliens (plural).


Standard English grammar accepts both as proper, so it's okay to say Aliens' or Aliens's, just as it's okay to say James' or James's.


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jadedmoviegoer wrote:
Hey James, without spoiling too much, would you say the problems with the film start in the last act? That seems to be the common criticism.


Pretty much. The final act is the weakest. Then again,
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The Charlize Theron character is a problem from the start.


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I have to say that this film was a huge disappointment for me. After a great beginning it slowly starts to fall apart and the ending is stupidity intensified. Characters make decisions that are absolutely senseless. I dropped out completely in some of those scenes.

This is more closer to AvP than 2001 or the original Alien. Even the
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ending scene is AvP like in it's sillyness.


Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:54 pm
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"The lazy and disappointing Alien 3 and the lackluster Alien Resurrection degraded the brand."

I would say it's the other way around when it comes to these two films. Alien 3 feels more lackluster than lazy which is what Alien: Resurrection clearly is. At least Alien 3 tried something interesting with the prison planet. People have been more sympathetic to the film in recent years given the stories of production troubles and how David Fincher had to clean up the mess. Alien: Resurrection just feels like a routine, cliched sci-fi horror film on a spaceship. I don't think there was much effort put into this in trying to make it stand out from the prevous films.


Also, I'm surprised James didn't mention Charlize Theron's performance considering she's one of the top-billed actors for the film.


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Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:55 pm
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Film critic Roger Moore has said ""Prometheus" is to "Alien" as is "2010" is to "2001: A Space Odyssey"".

Would that be an accurate assessment of this film?


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This is a must-see for me, which means I'll probably be disappointed. :(

I well remember having mixed feelings about the original Alien when it came out in 1979. It was not an instant classic for me. The first part of the movie blew me away, but the last half just seemed like a silly haunted-house-in-space movie. My feelings grew fonder over time; either my standards went down, or maybe I started liking it better about the time that Scott made Blade Runner.


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Once again I agree very much with James's review and 3 stars ratings is what I would have given myself too.

If you like Science Fiction then Prometheus is a must watch and make your own opinion.

I was always amazed why Scott did not direct more science fictions movies after Alien and Blade Runner which were great and I think that after an hiatus of many years he was a bit rusty in this one lol

I would not be surprised that the Prometheus sequel would be much better if Scott makes it soon ;-)

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ShriekoftheVulture wrote:
actually, a lot of reviews are saying this movie is "stupid" in a way. Saying that the plot is a mess and the characters make stupid actions and decisions. The response to this film seems very mixed


I guess my opinion kind of fell on this side. The movie appears on the surface to be smart, but really there didn't seem to be much going on underneath. Having characters again and again say ‘Don’t you care about the Big Questions?’ doesn't really count as addressing the Big Questions. But the biggest issues really come down to the script. Learning that Damon Lindelof was involved didn't really come as much as a surprise, as the film fell into the problem Lost (and a lot recent films), in which mystery is pushed to the forefront at the expense of the drama. And I'm not talking about the mysteries involved in arriving on an alien planet and trying to seek out origins of humanity, but how the characters often act in poorly motivated and confusing ways due to some secret the movie is keeping. For example:

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In the final third of the film Peter Weyland is revealed to be alive, and in fact has been there the whole time. But I gained nothing from this reveal other than a 'um... that's interesting I guess' kind of response. A friend later told me that him being alive helps make sense of some of the bizarre actions that David was doing throughout the film, like using Logan Marshall-Green's character as a test subject to find a 'cure' to Weyland's impending death. But I didn't really get that, so for most of the film I saw David doing seemingly malicious things without a hint of malice, and ultimately came at the expense of any drama coming from an understand of why.

In my opinion, the film would have been much stronger if it was revealed at the beginning that he was alive, but remained a reclusive and shadowy figure in the background, dealing solely through David and Charlize Theron to deliver orders. Additionally there's nothing really gained from having it a big reveal that Charlize Theron is his daughter. If we had known that from the beginning, it would have made her a much more interesting and sympathetic character, someone who strives for her father's approval (putting up a facade of being tough and ruthless), but will always come in second to the always obedient David (who he sees as a son). This is all hinted at the film, but most dramatic impact is lost since it's revealed in the third act, by the time I stopped caring.


Also, Logan Marshall-Green's character really annoyed me. I'm not entirely sure whether it was his acting, or how the character was written (probably a bit of both), but I didn't buy it for one second. He seemed like a reckless frat boy than a scientist, and I would have preferred a more grounded character who approached scenarios with the intelligence and apprehension that any mature and sane person would. Instead I just got to the point where I didn't care if he lived or died, since it didn't really seem he did either.


Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:11 pm
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Sorry but if you try even the slightest to view this as 'not' an Alien movie then it just comes across as a dodgy homage, what with the numerous and often obvious nods to it being the same universe.

Incidentally, David Fincher once made a movie called Alien 3 (not sure if it's related to THE Alien movie though) which was an outstanding bit of cinema.

For me, Rapace was outstanding. A good reminder for me why I much prefer the original of a certain movie... Also, Fassbender was unsurprisingly brilliant. I do dislike how wasted Guy Pearce was; he's among my favourite actors and his involvement was part of my motive for seeing this movie (I had no idea who he played, or anything else about the plot of the movie). Anyone could have phoned in his part to be fair.

I didn't even know the movie had been shot in 3D (I suppose I kept myself in the dark as much as possible). Once again, I appreciate what JB is saying about how 3D can be good if used properly... but then again, so is a shotgun to the face. The visuals were excellent, especially the opening sequence (Iceland is a lovely looking place!) and I do like that the CGI was used so sparingly. Makes a refreshing change!


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Here is a negative review of the film from The Economist:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero ... prometheus

As for myself, I have to admit that I have not seen any of the films from the Alien franchise, so I will be coming into Prometheus "fresh", so to speak, but having read James's review, I am intrigued.


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Dragonbeard wrote:
Incidentally, David Fincher once made a movie called Alien 3 (not sure if it's related to THE Alien movie though) which was an outstanding bit of cinema.


ALIEN 3 is a piece of shit.

Oh, I understand that the movie was beset by problems and the end result is a mangled result that had about ten different fingerprints on it. But nothing can erase the simple, undeniable fact that there is no excuse for how the film begins. The opening guts the emotional core that made ALIENS such a great experience. One of the reasons ALIENS works is because of the Ripley/Newt relationship (and, to a lesser extent, because of the Ripley/Hicks relationship). They go into hypersleep as a family. The way ALIEN 3 takes that away is unforgivable.

There's also something about false advertising. Remember the early tag line for ALIEN 3: "In space, no one can hear you scream. On Earth, everyone can hear you scream." Huh? On Earth? This movie doesn't come close to Earth. Kind of like buckling up those seat belts for STAR TREK V.

I *hate* ALIEN 3. I don't just dislike it as a badly made movie. I *hate* it with considerable passion. I feel about it how Dragonbeard feels about the DRAGON TATTOO remake. So I guess we both have Fincher movies to despise.


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Mr. Berardinelli,

Would you recommend seeing the film upon a first viewing in 2-D, 3-D, or IMAX 3-D? New to ReelViews, and it would be awesome if you wrote back.

Thanks again.

SEAN


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