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Vexer wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Hey Pete, remember when you were disappointed with Inceptions opening weekend and it made a whole lot of money and had legs. Thanks to your moaning or question or whatever, I'm going to predict $75 million for Source code domestic gross.

BANK ON IT!

Exactly! I think you're giving up on Source Code a bit too early, i'll bet in a couple of weeks Hop is gonna sink like a stone and Source Code will edge it out.


Fair point from Patrick, I was wrong about that movie. Thanks for bringing it up and throwing it in my face. :D

Vex - you claimed Inception made way more money than Source Code because of Nolan's name. Now you're seconding Patrick's claim that Source Code has the same kind of legs Inception did. You're all over the place man.

That said I hope you guys are right. It's a good movie and I'd like to see it be successful.

For the record, pointing out that the movie had a disappointing opening weekend isn't the same thing as giving up on it. I don't know what it's going to do and haven't claimed I do. Again, this is why I came in here asking questions. Not that you've shown an ability to actually read and comment on the points I'm making in this thread, but I thought I'd point that out anyway.


Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:10 pm
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PeachyPete wrote:
Vexer wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Hey Pete, remember when you were disappointed with Inceptions opening weekend and it made a whole lot of money and had legs. Thanks to your moaning or question or whatever, I'm going to predict $75 million for Source code domestic gross.

BANK ON IT!

Exactly! I think you're giving up on Source Code a bit too early, i'll bet in a couple of weeks Hop is gonna sink like a stone and Source Code will edge it out.


Fair point from Patrick, I was wrong about that movie. Thanks for bringing it up and throwing it in my face. :D

Vex - you claimed Inception made way more money than Source Code because of Nolan's name. Now you're seconding Patrick's claim that Source Code has the same kind of legs Inception did. You're all over the place man.

That said I hope you guys are right. It's a good movie and I'd like to see it be successful.

For the record, pointing out that the movie had a disappointing opening weekend isn't the same thing as giving up on it. I don't know what it's going to do and haven't claimed I do. Again, this is why I came in here asking questions. Not that you've shown an ability to actually read and comment on the points I'm making in this thread, but I thought I'd point that out anyway.

Yeah well I never said Inception didn't have legs, obviously it did, but you have to admit alot of people were probably attracted to seeing it based on Nolan's name alone. Now on another topic, how well do you think Hanna is gonna do?


Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:28 pm
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When discussing a film's influences, you typically discuss which prior movies or stories influenced the director and/or writers, not which movies influenced the producers to give the movie a greenlight. For me, I see a lot of An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge in this movie.

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The ending is almost exactly like An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge except we're led to believe the alternate reality that Jake Gyllenhaal's character finds himself in at the end is real. It's basically the Hollywoodi-zed happy-ending version of An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge. If it's not, then it's all a delusion in his mind as he's dying, à la Mulholland Dr. But I think we're given enough scenes from Vera Farmiga's character's POV in the alternate reality that we can discount it as a delusion.


Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:14 pm
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First time ever I think I wanted a film to end at a very specific point. People say the same about Minority Report and AI, but hot damn if this film ended on that freeze frame it would probably be in my top 10 of the year. It was depressing and yet truthful which is honestly all I ask of a film. I don't want to be told a comfortable lie. The characters had already discovered the point in living those final seconds as if they mattered, and that's all you could ask. Adding some stupid happy ending bullshit that just brings up more questions that don't make sense annoys me. Could so easily just cut the film off on that freeze frame and no one would ever know.


Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:36 am
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Vexer wrote:
Yeah well I never said Inception didn't have legs, obviously it did, but you have to admit alot of people were probably attracted to seeing it based on Nolan's name alone. Now on another topic, how well do you think Hanna is gonna do?


I have no idea how Hannah will do. The trailers make it seem pretty weird, although it does seem to have a good amount of action. I'm interested in seeing it, but I think it will likely find a niche audience. It seems a little too weird to find a large mainstream audience. Still, I'll be seeing it. I hope it's good and does well.

Cartman86 wrote:
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First time ever I think I wanted a film to end at a very specific point. People say the same about Minority Report and AI, but hot damn if this film ended on that freeze frame it would probably be in my top 10 of the year. It was depressing and yet truthful which is honestly all I ask of a film. I don't want to be told a comfortable lie. The characters had already discovered the point in living those final seconds as if they mattered, and that's all you could ask. Adding some stupid happy ending bullshit that just brings up more questions that don't make sense annoys me. Could so easily just cut the film off on that freeze frame and no one would ever know.


I won't reveal the spoiler, but I agree completely. I'd like to think Duncan Jones would have ended the film there and the studios made him add the last 5 or so minutes, but who knows?


Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:42 am
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PeachyPete wrote:
Cartman86 wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
First time ever I think I wanted a film to end at a very specific point. People say the same about Minority Report and AI, but hot damn if this film ended on that freeze frame it would probably be in my top 10 of the year. It was depressing and yet truthful which is honestly all I ask of a film. I don't want to be told a comfortable lie. The characters had already discovered the point in living those final seconds as if they mattered, and that's all you could ask. Adding some stupid happy ending bullshit that just brings up more questions that don't make sense annoys me. Could so easily just cut the film off on that freeze frame and no one would ever know.

I won't reveal the spoiler, but I agree completely. I'd like to think Duncan Jones would have ended the film there and the studios made him add the last 5 or so minutes, but who knows?

I didn't so much want the movie to end
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on the freeze frame, but I did want CPT Stevens' time in Sean Fentress's body to end there. I understand why he was able to save the people in that one universe/timeline (out of an infinite number), but keeping him in the body like it was somehow the end of Avatar rang false. The rest of the ending--with the note to Goodwin and the frustration of Dr. Rutledge--I enjoyed.
Overall, I wasn't nearly as disappointed by the end as most people were. Except for that one bit, I thought it ended in an interesting, thoughtful way.


Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:00 am
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This specific ending is a must as it ties everything together and connects the biggest mystery of the movie.

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I think people aren't getting the ending...it's essential to one of the points in the movie that an open time/reality loop is created, which makes sense as this was heavily influence by Quantum Leap. Here is an explanation from someone on imdb...."Goodwin tells Colter in the original universe that everything will be okay and in the alternate universe he lives on in, he tells alternate reality Goodwin to tell alternate reality Colter "Everything will be okay" when Source Code is activated in that alternate universe (via the email). Yes, it's an open time loop. The Colter in that universe will be activated for a different event and Goodwin will shut off his life support and allow him to live on in an alternate reality to that one and it's implied that Goodwin from the original universe had been contacted by a Colter from an alternate universe before the beginning of the movie."


Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:53 am
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roastbeef_ajus wrote:
This specific ending is a must as it ties everything together and connects the biggest mystery of the movie.

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I think people aren't getting the ending...it's essential to one of the points in the movie that an open time/reality loop is created, which makes sense as this was heavily influence by Quantum Leap. Here is an explanation from someone on imdb...."Goodwin tells Colter in the original universe that everything will be okay and in the alternate universe he lives on in, he tells alternate reality Goodwin to tell alternate reality Colter "Everything will be okay" when Source Code is activated in that alternate universe (via the email). Yes, it's an open time loop. The Colter in that universe will be activated for a different event and Goodwin will shut off his life support and allow him to live on in an alternate reality to that one and it's implied that Goodwin from the original universe had been contacted by a Colter from an alternate universe before the beginning of the movie."


That is exactly what happened, but we still don't need
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the extra few minutes of Colter and the girl walking around the alternate reality. I think pretty much all of this can be figured out from the point of the freeze frame shot. Colter and the girl walking around, and the confirmation that Goodwin received the text/email were just standard payoff moments used to explain everything to an audience that may be confused.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:09 am
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PeachyPete wrote:
That is exactly what happened, but we still don't need
[Reveal] Spoiler:
the extra few minutes of Colter and the girl walking around the alternate reality. I think pretty much all of this can be figured out from the point of the freeze frame shot. Colter and the girl walking around, and the confirmation that Goodwin received the text/email were just standard payoff moments used to explain everything to an audience that may be confused.

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If the movie ended with the freeze frame, then the weighted implication would be that the alternate reality is not self-sustaining, and Colter is just plain dead. That's a completely different ending. Feel free to argue whether that's a better ending, but it's not the same ending. The filmmakers wanted to establish that the alternate reality was self-sustaining, so you needed scenes in the alternate reality after Colter's body died in the original reality.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:57 am
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Darth Ed wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
That is exactly what happened, but we still don't need
[Reveal] Spoiler:
the extra few minutes of Colter and the girl walking around the alternate reality. I think pretty much all of this can be figured out from the point of the freeze frame shot. Colter and the girl walking around, and the confirmation that Goodwin received the text/email were just standard payoff moments used to explain everything to an audience that may be confused.

[Reveal] Spoiler:
If the movie ended with the freeze frame, then the weighted implication would be that the alternate reality is not self-sustaining, and Colter is just plain dead. That's a completely different ending. Feel free to argue whether that's a better ending, but it's not the same ending. The filmmakers wanted to establish that the alternate reality was self-sustaining, so you needed scenes in the alternate reality after Colter's body died in the original reality.


You're half right.

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That ending would be completely ambiguous. The viewer would be free to think what you've posed or what roastbeef posed, given what the movie had presented. So yes, the ending would be different (I never said otherwise), but my point is those scenes weren't needed in order for the viewer to know what happend, should they chose to believe the alternate reality was self-sustaining. It might require some thought to puzzle it together, and lord knows American cinema can't have that.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:12 pm
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Hey, don't get me wrong. I love movies with ambiguous endings. But I think you'd have to plant some seeds to foster that ambiguity earlier in the movie. If the movie ends where you're advocating it should end, then it's not really that ambiguous. Rutledge is pretty clear on that, even if his explanation is technobabble.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:25 pm
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Darth Ed wrote:
Hey, don't get me wrong. I love movies with ambiguous endings. But I think you'd have to plant some seeds to foster that ambiguity earlier in the movie. If the movie ends where you're advocating it should end, then it's not really that ambiguous. Rutledge is pretty clear on that, even if his explanation is technobabble.


Again, that's also ambiguous. Colter is pretty vehement in how much he disagrees with Rutledge on the issue. There's no guarantee either one is right. The movie did an excellent job by showing how either side could plausibly be believed, then dumbed itself down by choosing a side and explaining it to death.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:51 pm
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PeachyPete wrote:
Again, that's also ambiguous. Colter is pretty vehement in how much he disagrees with Rutledge on the issue. There's no guarantee either one is right.

Surely, the scientist who developed the technology is more credible than some random guy with no understanding of the technology or the science involved.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:18 pm
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Darth Ed wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
Again, that's also ambiguous. Colter is pretty vehement in how much he disagrees with Rutledge on the issue. There's no guarantee either one is right.

Surely, the scientist who developed the technology is more credible than some random guy with no understanding of the technology or the science involved.


Yeah well, seeing as how the movie did actually end, he wasn't. :D


Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:46 pm
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PeachyPete wrote:
Darth Ed wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
Again, that's also ambiguous. Colter is pretty vehement in how much he disagrees with Rutledge on the issue. There's no guarantee either one is right.

Surely, the scientist who developed the technology is more credible than some random guy with no understanding of the technology or the science involved.

Yeah well, seeing as how the movie did actually end, he wasn't. :D

Ah ha! You've fallen into my trap! If you remove that ending, as you've been advocating, you can't say that. :)


Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:14 pm
Post Re: SOURCE CODE
Darth Ed wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
Yeah well, seeing as how the movie did actually end, he wasn't. :D

Ah ha! You've fallen into my trap! If you remove that ending, as you've been advocating, you can't say that. :)


True, but the ending, as is, must then be considered horribly contrived. I mean, it's more than a little silly that a soldier with no prior experience with this technology figures it out better, on the fly, than the scientist who developed the technology. That's just...kind of stupid. It's just another reason why the ending doesn't work.


Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:24 pm
Post Re: SOURCE CODE
PeachyPete wrote:
Darth Ed wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
Yeah well, seeing as how the movie did actually end, he wasn't. :D

Ah ha! You've fallen into my trap! If you remove that ending, as you've been advocating, you can't say that. :)


True, but the ending, as is, must then be considered horribly contrived. I mean, it's more than a little silly that a soldier with no prior experience with this technology figures it out better, on the fly, than the scientist who developed the technology. That's just...kind of stupid. It's just another reason why the ending doesn't work.


Well, early on in the movie Colter is having a conversation with Rutledge talking about how he called goodwin (within source code). Rutledge said "Well even if the call went through, it would have went through to another Goodwin, one in a parallel universe." Colter goes, "well next time, I'll just send a bunch of pizzas!" Rutledge knew exactly what source code did... Throughout the entire movie he was holding things back...he even said you wouldn't understand due to parabolic calculus and quantum mechanics. My point is the scientist who developed the technology, knew that it was a gateway to a parallel universe! He just didn't need colter to know that because he needed colter to finish the mission, not go on living a new life!


Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:42 pm
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roastbeef_ajus wrote:
Well, early on in the movie Colter is having a conversation with Rutledge talking about how he called goodwin (within source code). Rutledge said "Well even if the call went through, it would have went through to another Goodwin, one in a parallel universe." Colter goes, "well next time, I'll just send a bunch of pizzas!" Rutledge knew exactly what source code did... Throughout the entire movie he was holding things back...he even said you wouldn't understand due to parabolic calculus and quantum mechanics. My point is the scientist who developed the technology, knew that it was a gateway to a parallel universe! He just didn't need colter to know that because he needed colter to finish the mission, not go on living a new life!


He does say those things, I just think using that to say he knew the whole time that Colter would be able to live in the alternate reality is a bit of a stretch. Sure, he and Goodwin were intentionally keeping Colter in the dark, but it was a time sensitive issue. That wasn't a lie. I just don't see anything you can point to to say that Rutledge definitely knew Colter would be able to live in Sean's body in the alternate reality. It's possible, but still a reach.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:28 am
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My girlfriend and i just got back from a showing on a huge screen with an awesome sound system.

We did not dislike the film, but were both underwhelmed. having seen james and Roger Ebert's ratings, but nt read the reviews and the 90% on RT we were well psyched.

We both came in at 6/10 or 2.5 stars. Here were our issues

- Jake Gyllenhaal is not an actor who draws you into a character. In fact we both thought he was quite fact. My GF put it best, little charisma.

- The plot has no real sense of risk. OK there is another thing potentially happening (being vague to avoid spoilers) but it was always in the distance

- Secondary characters were all poorly drawn out generating little involvement

I wanted to like this alot more and came out pretty ho hum. Sad :(

Rob


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Post Re: SOURCE CODE
At the time of typing, Source Code is showing a worldwide total of $72.2 million which, on a budget of $32 million is respectable.

Slightly changing the subject, I wonder whether it's slightly underperforming not because it's science fiction, but because it's also a rather amoral film. Although I thought it was good that the plot follows through its own logic to show the amorality of what's happening, I can understand why word-of-mouth might put people off. Rather than argue the case in detail with spoiler blanked out bits, I've rehearsed the arguments here: http://opionator.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/source-code/


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