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Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:19 am
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Unless I overlooked a crucial detail, this is basically the Milgram expirement being done by a non-academic and under the sort of conditions that would never make it past an IRB committee. Which makes it not being mentioned in your review seem like something of an oversight. I mean if you have to really wonder how such a thing is possible, look no further then the Milgram expirements, where 66% of the participants went (or at least were lead to believe that they were) going much further then simple stripping and humiliation.
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This one I'll definitely see when I get the chance.

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Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:09 pm
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It sounds like this is a film that should be compulsory viewing for 90% of the population of this country. Teaching people about the importance of thinking for oneself is always a good thing.


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thered47 wrote:
Unless I overlooked a crucial detail, this is basically the Milgram expirement being done by a non-academic and under the sort of conditions that would never make it past an IRB committee. Which makes it not being mentioned in your review seem like something of an oversight. I mean if you have to really wonder how such a thing is possible, look no further then the Milgram expirements, where 66% of the participants went (or at least were lead to believe that they were) going much further then simple stripping and humiliation.
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In the real-life incident that the movie is based on,
[Reveal] Spoiler:
things did go much further, up to the point of the employee being forced to perform oral sex on the assistant manager's boyfriend. (Spoilered because while I haven't seen the movie and don't actually know if this is in the film or not, JB does indicate that it follows the RL incident pretty closely,so I expect that it's in.)


I paid a bit more attention to the incident at the time it happened than most people, partly because I myself was an assistant manager at a fast-food place. I knew that some of the other managers I worked with were stupid, but I was surprised at this story.

And aside from the fact that detaining the employee like that (even without searching her at all, much less the even worse stuff) was clearly inappropriate, I found it hard to believe that the assistant manager didn't just tell the "police officer" that she didn't have time to do his job for him in the first place. That's exactly what I would have done. I would probably have told him what time the employee's shift ended, and promised not to tip her off or send her home early, so she'd be there if they came for her before the end of my shift, but if it's too fucking minor for them to send somebody out, it's too fucking minor for me to waste my time on.


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dps wrote:
In the real-life incident that the movie is based on,
[Reveal] Spoiler:
things did go much further, up to the point of the employee being forced to perform oral sex on the assistant manager's boyfriend. (Spoilered because while I haven't seen the movie and don't actually know if this is in the film or not, JB does indicate that it follows the RL incident pretty closely,so I expect that it's in.)



[Reveal] Spoiler:
It is in the film. The oral sex, that is.


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dps wrote:
thered47 wrote:
Unless I overlooked a crucial detail, this is basically the Milgram expirement being done by a non-academic and under the sort of conditions that would never make it past an IRB committee. Which makes it not being mentioned in your review seem like something of an oversight. I mean if you have to really wonder how such a thing is possible, look no further then the Milgram expirements, where 66% of the participants went (or at least were lead to believe that they were) going much further then simple stripping and humiliation.
-Jeremy


In the real-life incident that the movie is based on,
[Reveal] Spoiler:
things did go much further, up to the point of the employee being forced to perform oral sex on the assistant manager's boyfriend. (Spoilered because while I haven't seen the movie and don't actually know if this is in the film or not, JB does indicate that it follows the RL incident pretty closely,so I expect that it's in.)


I paid a bit more attention to the incident at the time it happened than most people, partly because I myself was an assistant manager at a fast-food place. I knew that some of the other managers I worked with were stupid, but I was surprised at this story.

And aside from the fact that detaining the employee like that (even without searching her at all, much less the even worse stuff) was clearly inappropriate, I found it hard to believe that the assistant manager didn't just tell the "police officer" that she didn't have time to do his job for him in the first place. That's exactly what I would have done. I would probably have told him what time the employee's shift ended, and promised not to tip her off or send her home early, so she'd be there if they came for her before the end of my shift, but if it's too fucking minor for them to send somebody out, it's too fucking minor for me to waste my time on.


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Alright, sexual assault vs. possible manslaughter. That is admittedly close.


But as the Milgram expirments proved, a large segment of the population will do just about anything an authority figure tells them to do. I don't think it necessarily has a whole lot to do with intelligence, more personality. Although low intelligence probably does not help.

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When I saw the trailer for this movie, I couldn't believe this was actually based on real events. I couldn't believe people would be that stupid to fall for something like this. No matter how convincing the guy on the other side of the phone may sound, it's really sad that people fell for this.


Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:36 am
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I never heard of this story until now, it is indeed shocking that people would go that far to please their boss by "following orders" I would never even consider doing anything like that for a split-second.


Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:07 pm
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I never heard of this story until now, it is indeed shocking that people would go that far to please their boss by "following orders" I would never even consider doing anything like that for a split-second.


Actually, I don't think it's shocking that a person would follow the orders of their boss to this degree. What I find shocking is the boss following the orders of the (alleged) cop to such a point.

Interesting thought pattern there Vexer, I never considered it from quite that angle. The boss is the one doing something morally reprehensible, while the employee is just well, stuck in an unfortunate situation.
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:21 pm
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thered47 wrote:
Vexer wrote:
I never heard of this story until now, it is indeed shocking that people would go that far to please their boss by "following orders" I would never even consider doing anything like that for a split-second.


Actually, I don't think it's shocking that a person would follow the orders of their boss to this degree. What I find shocking is the boss following the orders of the (alleged) cop to such a point.

Interesting thought pattern there Vexer, I never considered it from quite that angle. The boss is the one doing something morally reprehensible, while the employee is just well, stuck in an unfortunate situation.
-Jeremy

Well those who are "following orders" in spite of better judgement are just as guilty, i'd gladly take being fired over strip-searching someone for no real reason.


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Vexer wrote:
thered47 wrote:
Vexer wrote:
I never heard of this story until now, it is indeed shocking that people would go that far to please their boss by "following orders" I would never even consider doing anything like that for a split-second.


Actually, I don't think it's shocking that a person would follow the orders of their boss to this degree. What I find shocking is the boss following the orders of the (alleged) cop to such a point.

Interesting thought pattern there Vexer, I never considered it from quite that angle. The boss is the one doing something morally reprehensible, while the employee is just well, stuck in an unfortunate situation.
-Jeremy

Well those who are "following orders" in spite of better judgement are just as guilty, i'd gladly take being fired over strip-searching someone for no real reason.


I think you're missing the point. The boss didn't order an employee to strip-search another employee; rather, the boss herself strip-searched an employee because she was told to by a person impersonating a police officer over the phone.


Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:44 pm
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It sounds like this is a film that should be compulsory viewing for 90% of the population of this country. Teaching people about the importance of thinking for oneself is always a good thing.


We need a like button. Like.

I'm reminded of Derren Brown's show 'Experiments', where he got an audience to take part in a fake reality tv show. The audience had to vote for tweaks in circumstances that would directly affect a man they'd set up cameras to film. It started off rather innocently but then went into some very nasty territories (the entire thing was set up, it was just the audience who had no idea).

Well worth looking for to see a clever social experiment!

I think it's worth remembering that following orders is entirely circumstantial. I too went through the phase as a teenager where I considered all authority to be invalid and an affront to my personal freedom etc. Since then I've learned to recognise the lines, become familiar with the concept of mutual respect. Any smart individual ought to know when they're doing something they shouldn't, not to mention realising that people will manipulate your views and feelings to serve their own agendas.


Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:15 am
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dps-My bad, like I said, I never heard this story until now, so i'm a little sketchy on the facts.


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Being the subject of Oscar buzz should be an unadulterated thrill, but for one first-time contender it has come at considerable expense.

Ann Dowd, a veteran character actress, earned the best reviews of her career for her performance as a restaurant manager targeted by a sadistic prankster in Craig Zobel’s controversial indie Compliance. The low-budget film was one of the standouts at January’s Sundance Film Festival, where it was acquired by Magnolia Pictures, which released it this fall. It never played in more than 21 theaters and grossed just $319,285. But Dowd’s performance, for which she was paid just $100 per day for 16 days, resonated enough to land her -- with virtually no campaigning -- the National Board of Review’s best supporting actress award and Indie Spirit and Critics’ Choice award nominations.

Matt Cowal, Magnolia’s senior VP of marketing and publicity, tells THR they would have -- if Compliance had made money. “This is a film that, unfortunately, we’re going to take a loss on,” he says. “If it had worked, like some of our films have, we would have supported Ann with a terrific end-of-the-year awards campaign, like we did for Melancholia and I Am Love.” Instead, he says, “When a film is already out on DVD, supporting actress awards buzz does help, but it’s not a game-changer on the film’s bottom line, so we just are trying to be as responsible as we can.”

Dowd, a soft-spoken, working-class wife and mother of three kids, tells THR that the lack of screeners from Magnolia -- while her fellow contenders, few of whom have garnered the number of accolades that she has and almost all of whom were better compensated, had theirs paid for -- prompted her and her husband to make a difficult decision: to foot the bill themselves, putting $6,000 on their credit card and borrowing $7,000 from friends. They feel that this might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for her and that a nomination could change the course of her career, so they want to give her a fighting chance.


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Being the subject of Oscar buzz should be an unadulterated thrill, but for one first-time contender it has come at considerable expense.

Ann Dowd, a veteran character actress, earned the best reviews of her career for her performance as a restaurant manager targeted by a sadistic prankster in Craig Zobel’s controversial indie Compliance. The low-budget film was one of the standouts at January’s Sundance Film Festival, where it was acquired by Magnolia Pictures, which released it this fall. It never played in more than 21 theaters and grossed just $319,285. But Dowd’s performance, for which she was paid just $100 per day for 16 days, resonated enough to land her -- with virtually no campaigning -- the National Board of Review’s best supporting actress award and Indie Spirit and Critics’ Choice award nominations.

Matt Cowal, Magnolia’s senior VP of marketing and publicity, tells THR they would have -- if Compliance had made money. “This is a film that, unfortunately, we’re going to take a loss on,” he says. “If it had worked, like some of our films have, we would have supported Ann with a terrific end-of-the-year awards campaign, like we did for Melancholia and I Am Love.” Instead, he says, “When a film is already out on DVD, supporting actress awards buzz does help, but it’s not a game-changer on the film’s bottom line, so we just are trying to be as responsible as we can.”

Dowd, a soft-spoken, working-class wife and mother of three kids, tells THR that the lack of screeners from Magnolia -- while her fellow contenders, few of whom have garnered the number of accolades that she has and almost all of whom were better compensated, had theirs paid for -- prompted her and her husband to make a difficult decision: to foot the bill themselves, putting $6,000 on their credit card and borrowing $7,000 from friends. They feel that this might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for her and that a nomination could change the course of her career, so they want to give her a fighting chance.


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Wow...just wow. The amount of money these companies throw away on shit, literally, shit, that they can't dish out for some fucking screeners. I seriously hope she does well come of this...

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calvero wrote:
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Being the subject of Oscar buzz should be an unadulterated thrill, but for one first-time contender it has come at considerable expense.

Ann Dowd, a veteran character actress, earned the best reviews of her career for her performance as a restaurant manager targeted by a sadistic prankster in Craig Zobel’s controversial indie Compliance. The low-budget film was one of the standouts at January’s Sundance Film Festival, where it was acquired by Magnolia Pictures, which released it this fall. It never played in more than 21 theaters and grossed just $319,285. But Dowd’s performance, for which she was paid just $100 per day for 16 days, resonated enough to land her -- with virtually no campaigning -- the National Board of Review’s best supporting actress award and Indie Spirit and Critics’ Choice award nominations.

Matt Cowal, Magnolia’s senior VP of marketing and publicity, tells THR they would have -- if Compliance had made money. “This is a film that, unfortunately, we’re going to take a loss on,” he says. “If it had worked, like some of our films have, we would have supported Ann with a terrific end-of-the-year awards campaign, like we did for Melancholia and I Am Love.” Instead, he says, “When a film is already out on DVD, supporting actress awards buzz does help, but it’s not a game-changer on the film’s bottom line, so we just are trying to be as responsible as we can.”

Dowd, a soft-spoken, working-class wife and mother of three kids, tells THR that the lack of screeners from Magnolia -- while her fellow contenders, few of whom have garnered the number of accolades that she has and almost all of whom were better compensated, had theirs paid for -- prompted her and her husband to make a difficult decision: to foot the bill themselves, putting $6,000 on their credit card and borrowing $7,000 from friends. They feel that this might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for her and that a nomination could change the course of her career, so they want to give her a fighting chance.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/a ... car-404974


Wow...just wow. The amount of money these companies throw away on shit, literally, shit, that they can't dish out for some fucking screeners. I seriously hope she does well come of this...


It's untrue. Magnolia did send out screeners of COMPLIANCE.

When it was first released, there were no conventional screeners, but you could get an "on-line screener." (That's where you contact Magnolia and, if they decide you're legit, they give you a userid and password good for 48 hours to access a secure site where you can watch the movie. That's how I initially saw it.)

They sent out COMPLIANCE on DVD as part of an end-of-the-year screener pack. My copy is sitting not five feet away from me. Got it in early November.

Did Magnolia go out of there way to promote the film? No. But Dowd is incorrect in her belief that screeners were not provided and whoever wrote the story in THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER should be ashamed of him/herself for not fact checking the statement and providing a correction.


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They sent out COMPLIANCE on DVD as part of an end-of-the-year screener pack.


That's bit different than traditional screeners, I understand why Dowd wasn't pleased with this. You need to emphasis the title as a screener, who knows how many just tossed away that pack without seeing Compliance was in it(what else was in that pack? and you're a critic, not sure if what you get is what academy members get. and vice versa)


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In any case, sad day for Ann Dowd. It looks like she owes some folks some money (which she would anyway, but it would sting less).

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They sent out COMPLIANCE on DVD as part of an end-of-the-year screener pack.


That's bit different than traditional screeners, I understand why Dowd wasn't pleased with this. You need to emphasis the title as a screener, who knows how many just tossed away that pack without seeing Compliance was in it(what else was in that pack? and you're a critic, not sure if what you get is what academy members get. and vice versa)


I get a subset of what Academy members get. They get pretty much everything.

The Magnolia pack included every film Magnolia released on DVD throughout the year. By "pack," I mean a box that included every film on its own individual DVD. It wasn't as fancy as, say, the LES MISERABLES screener, but Magnolia has never sent out fancy screeners. COMPLIANCE got exactly the same treatment (screener-wise) as every Magnolia release over the past few years. The difference was in marketing.


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