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What the hell is wrong with you guys?


I know it's kindof your shtick at this point, but how about you make an actual post of substance instead of just being an ass?

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Not trying to make assumptions, but could it be a TV thing? I know that some people partake in TV binges, watching episodes back to back for hours on end (something I can never do). Not accusing you of that, but wondering if some fans of this movie have a higher tolerance because they do. For me, Wall Street felt like a prison term; it was torturous, slow, and felt like it would never end.


I think there's some logic to that, but of course it's not a platitude thing. I certainly agree that some people become obsessed with binge-watching more than they're obsessed with any particular show, and that's unfortunate. But you seem to be implying that a willingness t binge-watch anything deadens one's ability to recognize quality over substance, which I disagree with. There are shows I've watched in big stretches, but only because they're consistently great, not because they're consistently acceptable. Shows like 24 never worked for me because they seemed twisty just for the sake of it, with nothing ever really happening. On the other hand, shows like Deadwood (which might be my all-time favorite) and the rest of HBO's Holy Trinity aren't necessarily conducive to binge-watching because they are long, meaty, and worthy of reflection more than, say, Lost. That is not intended to say anything about the quality of those shows vs others, just that each one has its own way its probably best consumed. I watched Sansho the Bailiff for the first time in like 20 YouTube videos over two or three days, and the ending still shattered me. I watched the first two Godfather films back-to-back in high school and it didn't quite work for me -- I realized there was quality there, but it felt like a chore to get through. Obviously these are all personal experiences and I'm not trying to apply them across the board for people.


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Not of all us have the patience to sit in a theater for three hours, it's like JB said in one of his Reelthoughts articles(paraphrasing slightly) "after three hours, even the most comfortable theater seats start to feel cramped".


I'm in semi-agreement. Four hours is about the most my butt can take, and then I have to get up. I did enjoy The Wolf of Wall Street very much though; I didn't find it too long despite it being three hours. To me, that's the mark of a good movie.

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To me, it's all about the movie. Some movies may be three hours long but they can fly by. Take Titanic for instance. It's 3 hours and 14 minutes, but I found the movie to fly by.

The Lord of the Rings are some of my favorite movies of all time. They are all 3 hours long, I think Return of the King is even a little longer.

Malcolm X, JFK, Braveheart, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, The Godfather Parts 1 an 2 are some of the greatest movies of all time. Love them all, don't have a problem with the length. Meet Joe Black is around 3 hours I believe, I love and adore that movie (unlike James, I know he hated that movie).

If I'm really into a movie, I don't care about the length. I've seen 90 minute movies that feel interminable because of how horrible they are.

That said, I still have yet to see Lawrence of Arabia and Gone With the Wind, and I will admit, their lengths are a reason. Both movies are about 3 hours and 40-45 minutes, so I have to make sure I have the time to watch them. I don't like watching movies in pieces. I need to see it in full, if I'm watching a movie for the first time.


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Whereas I feel every minute of a movie no matter what. 90 minutes feels like 90, 180 feels like 180, 120 feels like 120, etc. I've never encountered any exceptions.


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Actually saw these a little while ago, but felt like posting reviews:

Black Swan - Mindfuck probably is the best descriptor for this film. Also another home run from Darren Aronofsky. Interesting that it took a ballet film for him to get an Oscar nomination (long overdue of course, but what else is new?) but it was definitely well-deserved. Between handheld, pseudo-verite shots and astonishingly gorgeous onstage shots (this film captures the sensation of being onstage very well), as well as well-integrated effects work, this is a tour de force. Black Swan also features a tour de force acting performance from Natalie Portman, who handles a difficult role with aplomb. Even though Nina is an unstable and at times unsympathetic character, I never lost identification with her. Also noteworthy are Mila Kunis, who had broken through in film a couple years earlier but had yet to show this level of depth in her acting, and in retrospect I would have championed her for award recognition as well. Barbara Hershey is absolutely note-perfect as well, but her character doesn't have the depth of the other two women. This is a remarkably female-centered film, though Aronofsky's films have largely featured strong female characters and performances (though Pi comes to mind as the exception that proves the rule). Vincent Cassel gives a solid turn, but his character's a bit of an enigma, though that's surely due to the film being presented from Nina's perspective. While there definitely is much doubt as to what events are "real" in this film, that to me is largely beside the point. By presenting the film from the perspective of a fractured mind, it's fascinating. 9/10

Flight - Speaking of tour de force performances, how incredible is Denzel Washington in this movie! Visually stunning in the central place crash, but more impressive in its aftermath. Besides Washington, Don Cheadle, Kelly Reilly, John Goodman, Bruce Greenwood, Tamara Tunie, Nadine Velazquez, and even Melissa Leo in essentially a cameo are all very good. This isn't just an acting exhibition though, the story is compelling, the characters are interesting, and the movie is absorbing throughout. Well done. 9/10

Revolutionary Road - Sam Mendes' films have consistently featured great acting, and this is no exception. IMO this is Leonardo DiCaprio's best performance, and Winslet is every bit his equal. While Michael Shannon is strong too, how he got an Oscar nomination and the two leads, around which the entire film undoubtedly centers, got overlooked is beyond me. Kathy Bates turns in another strong supporting performance here. On the surface its subject matter is very similar to his debut American Beauty, but there's an additional interesting level here in that the Wheelers very much feel like two people trapped in their societal roles, almost as if they would have fit in better in the 70's or later. Certainly Mrs. Wheeler's ultimate fate would have likely been different in the 70's. A harrowing, emotionally raw film that is one of the best tragedies brought on by societal pressures of the current milennium. 9/10

Common thread: Directors who usually get good performances out of their actors, and these films are no exceptions from their respective filmmakers.


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For me Titanic was excruiating to sit through, that movie felt so slow it was like watching the universe die. Same with Meet Joe Black, like JB said, that movie would've been considerably shorter if everyone didn't speak so ridiculously slowly for no apparent reason, and of course you know how I feel about LOTR.

Malcom X was pretty good, I was shown that in school during black history month and it didn't feel that long. Also liked the Godfather films.

Normally I like Oliver Stone, but JFK was like valium in the form of celluloid.

Heat and Scarface also could've used some trimming, they had good moments but I don't think trimming 30 minutes or so would've hurt anything, Casino is so far one of the few films i've seen that actually earns it's 3 hour runtime.

Length is important to me, yes there are terrible 90 minute films, but those are still preferable to terrible 2 hour plus films because at least they're over with quicker. If I had to choose between say Alexander or any of the Aaron Seltzer/Jason Freidberg films, i'd pick the latter every time.


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Short Term 12 (2013)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2370248/
Film about a foster care facility for troubled teenagers run by ex-troubled teenagers. The film is actually an extended version of director Destin Cretton's short film with the same title from 2008. Shot in a hand-held documentary style mimicking those god-awful TV shows like Brat Camp and Teen Trouble had me seriously wondering what I'd gotten myself into. Fortunately it's a lot better than that, but an air of artifice hangs over the proceedings that I can't quite put my finger on - certainly it tries so hard for emotional response that it occasionally veers toward melodrama. Acting is of a generally high standard from largely unknown actors (at least I didn't recognise most of them) and Brie Larson especially is very good in this. Mostly pretty good. Mostly.
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Absolutely agree with vex, length is one of the defining characteristics of any film, one of the absolute most important things. I know what you mean about that feeling, wolf of wall street felt like the world had ended outside the theater as it got into the third hour.


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I actually agree that length is important. I've never agreed with Roger Ebert when he says a good movie can't be too long. It absolutely can be too long. But I find all of the movies that I mentioned earned their 3 hour (and in some cases close 3 and a half hours) length.

Now I have seen movies that I think aren't long enough. And in some cases they are the perfect length, but I loved the characters so much and the movie so much that I could have spent another half hour with them (Almost Famous being a prime example, that is a movie that I was actually sad to see come to an end, not because it wasn't long enough for it's story, but just because I wanted to spend more time with these characters).


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Length is most definitely important; I don't want to give the impression that I think anything three hours long is automatically good. A film has to earn it. The Seven Samurai is three and a half hours, but it flies by. Kurosawa earns it there. Bad Boys II, on the other hand, is a full hour shorter but interminable; around the 17th car chase I started wondering when it was going to end.

I also agree that Scarface probably could have been trimmed a little. But at the same time, its length and excess are part of what makes the movie compelling. And Alexander...man was that long. And bad; I reviewed it for my college paper and felt every minute of it.

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Yeah I could watch 80-90 minutes of a movie and think its good, but then at a certain point it becomes a little worse every minute and it could be that after another 40 minutes I decide it's bad even though I liked it for a while. Lawrence toes that line for me. If Django Unchained had ended at 130 minutes, it would be one of the better QT films for me.


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Whereas I feel every minute of a movie no matter what. 90 minutes feels like 90, 180 feels like 180, 120 feels like 120, etc. I've never encountered any exceptions.


So to you, 8 1/2 moves as quickly as Skyfall? The Good The Bad and the Ugly at the same speed as The Sound of Music? I can see people picking either in both situations I've given, but to say there's no difference makes no sense to me in the slightest.

Will you continue this odd line of reasoning by saying that every book moves at the same speed to you?

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I also agree that Scarface probably could have been trimmed a little. But at the same time, its length and excess are part of what makes the movie compelling.


The scene where he takes Michelle Pfeiffer to buy a car is one of the most "Crying out to be cut" scenes I've ever seen in a movie, and I love Scarface

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People enjoying long movies because of TV binge-watching is an interesting theory. Everyone at my workplace buzzes like crazy over the show Scandal but rarely for a movie, and I've been saying for years that it sure feels like TV is stealing movies' thunder. But consider me an exception. I rarely watch TV other than sports and Family Guy/South Park. It's not that there aren't great dramatic shows out there; I'm sure there are plenty, but once I fall behind, trying to "catch up" looks like climbing Mt. Everest.

Sitting in a theater chair for three hours is tough, but I look at it as a challenge and mentally prepare myself for it (and make sure I've used the bathroom beforehand). I walk in assuming there must be a reason why the director wanted it this way.
There are times where it pays off beautifully and not a minute feels wasted (the LOTR movies, Avatar, Blue is the Warmest Color)
Other times, I feel like the length is about 10-15 minutes too long but in no way movie-breaking (Django Unchained, Wolf of Wall Street).
Then there are times when I wish the movie would hurry the hell up (Titanic, The Aviator).

In short, it depends on the movie.

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MGamesCook wrote:
Whereas I feel every minute of a movie no matter what. 90 minutes feels like 90, 180 feels like 180, 120 feels like 120, etc. I've never encountered any exceptions.


So to you, 8 1/2 moves as quickly as Skyfall? The Good The Bad and the Ugly at the same speed as The Sound of Music? I can see people picking either in both situations I've given, but to say there's no difference makes no sense to me in the slightest.

Will you continue this odd line of reasoning by saying that every book moves at the same speed to you?


Pacing and length are two different things. And yes, you read me right. Those films feel equally long to me. Because they are.


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Length is most definitely important; I don't want to give the impression that I think anything three hours long is automatically good. A film has to earn it. The Seven Samurai is three and a half hours, but it flies by. Kurosawa earns it there. Bad Boys II, on the other hand, is a full hour shorter but interminable; around the 17th car chase I started wondering when it was going to end.

I also agree that Scarface probably could have been trimmed a little. But at the same time, its length and excess are part of what makes the movie compelling. And Alexander...man was that long. And bad; I reviewed it for my college paper and felt every minute of it.

To each his own, for Bad Boys 2 I wasn't bored for a millisecond(same with the Transformers films), Seventh Samurai took me multiple sittings to get through, though to be fair i'm not exactly Kurosawa's biggest fan, I like Yojimbo and Rashomon and that's pretty much it, "Ran" was also a tough sit for me(not saying they were bad films, they just weren't really my thing).

Sound Of Music, how could I forget that shitfest?

As for TV shows, I generally prefer watching comedies so I don't have to keep playing "catch up", that's why I was never a fan of LOST of any other shows of that ilk, I don't like having to pay attention to every single minor detail and having to recall every single bit of dialogue ever spoken just to understand WTF is going on all the time.


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Whereas I feel every minute of a movie no matter what. 90 minutes feels like 90, 180 feels like 180, 120 feels like 120, etc. I've never encountered any exceptions.


So to you, 8 1/2 moves as quickly as Skyfall? The Good The Bad and the Ugly at the same speed as The Sound of Music? I can see people picking either in both situations I've given, but to say there's no difference makes no sense to me in the slightest.

Will you continue this odd line of reasoning by saying that every book moves at the same speed to you?


Pacing and length are two different things. And yes, you read me right. Those films feel equally long to me. Because they are.


So therefore an hour long lecture by an interesting professor on a subject you're interested in would feel the same length as an hour long lecture by a bad professor by a subject you're not interested in?

15 minutes in the waiting room at the DMV feels the same length of time to you as a 15 minute sexual encounter?

8 minutes of being tortured would feel the same length as an 8 minute roller coaster ride?

I don't know how you say these things with any sense of intellectual self-respect

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You read me right again kunz. Maybe I'm some sort of mutant and have a heightened sense of time - didn't think that was so unusual. For another, Dark knight feels longer to me than L'Avventura - and it is.

But here's another place where I differ - the few 3 hour films I do like, they feel every bit of it. In those cases I like that they feel long, and they definitely don't go by all that fast. I also like 90 minute movies to feel substantial. A good director can do a lot in 90 minutes.


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You read me right again kunz. Maybe I'm some sort of mutant and have a heightened sense of time - didn't think that was so unusual. For another, Dark knight feels longer to me than L'Avventura - and it is.

But here's another place where I differ - the few 3 hour films I do like, they feel every bit of it. In those cases I like that they feel long, and they definitely don't go by all that fast. I also like 90 minute movies to feel substantial. A good director can do a lot in 90 minutes.


I don't exactly feel like getting drawn into this conversation per se but I am reminded of the scene in The Next Generation where Data watches a pot of water and winds up observing something along the lines of "but it always takes the exact same amount of time to boil whether I watch it or not!"

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