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Confirmed: Zack Snyder will direct Batman/Superman Duo 
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Not surprised with this decision, the studio has to be a bit disappointed with the BO, considering the massive amount they spent on it.

Statistically speaking, the word of mouth on Man of Steel was horrendous. For a film to open with 116-128 & not get to 300 is rather shocking(I believe only the Twilight movies, which are extremely frontloaded, have opened with that much & not gotten to 300)

MOS' % drops by week: 65%, 50%, 45%, 59%, 61%
Drops like that are usually typical of fading franchises(like Spiderman 3, X Men 3) not for a popular new 'reboot' of a franchise(see the % drops on Batman Begins, Casino Royale)

And it won't get to 700 WW either, which is also surprising. The week it came out, many analysts were predicting 800 at least. The marketing was clearly positioning this as something of a followup to Dark Knight(the last 2 both made a billion) and the tracking suggested for a majority of fandango users that Nolan was the main reason they were interested in MOS.

Guess WB feels adding Batman is the only way to keep interest in this new series, can't blame them.

Superman Returns adjusted for inflation total is 242. MOS will probably finish with around 292. So after all this bluster about a new direction for Superman(and basically implying SR was a dud, disappointment etc), seven years later MOS can only get 50 mill more than it did at the BO. Wow.


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I never watched any of the animated series on a regular basis during childhood. Except for the Mr. Freeze episode of Batman, I remember there was a lot of hype for it for some reason. A few years ago, I watched a couple episodes out of sheer curiosity. The only ones I took the time to watch were: Superman Origin (the pilot), Superman meets Batman (great episode, seriously), and the Justice League "pilot." Coolness of characters aside, these are the only three stories that piqued my interest. Perhaps the powers that be are having a similar reaction now to the one I did?

Whatever the case, I think this is the right decision whether Steel had been a huge hit or not. Even if it had grossed beyond a billion, there's still only so many of these movies they can make. It's not only money, but the sheer intricacy of the work that's involved. Each shot has to be staged to a T while still making sure the action is continuous and flows smoothly. That's a borderline clay-mation level of patience. The shots in Man of Steel constructed 100% inside a computer can be counted on two hands. Despite 2013 effects, it's one giant demonstration of good old fashioned superimposition. It takes a lot of love and passion for things that most directors just aren't passionate about.

In a world built around marketing, the lukewarm reception of Steel, both financially and critically, makes me think that the WB exec really means it when she says "we can't wait to see what Zack has in store for us next." Her motivation built not just around money, but in genuine curiosity to see what Snyder's going to do next. Unheard of in today's market, and kind of moving.

I agree that superhero movies are long past getting old, and so are 200 mil tentpoles in general. But action movies will never get old for a lot of people (myself included). I think that once these tentpoles drop-off, we can expect to see a lot more Taken-esque, Death Race-ish productions in the years to come. The point being, by rooting Superman more firmly in the action genre, Snyder may prolong his particular brand of the superhero flick. Same goes for Fast and Furious, I would argue that only with the 6th did it become full-on action. The first one is hardly even an action movie, more of just a street-racing melodrama.


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MGamesCook wrote:
It's not only money, but the sheer intricacy of the work that's involved. Each shot has to be staged to a T while still making sure the action is continuous and flows smoothly. That's a borderline clay-mation level of patience. The shots in Man of Steel constructed 100% inside a computer can be counted on two hands.


This is kind of hard to believe unless you mean the shots without any human or real-world artifacts. Life of Pi looks more believeable construction-wise than MoS, and that must requires even more cgi. And I feel your first two sentences apply far better to Fast 6. I've always liked Snyder's actions, but I don't know why he traded in his usual smooth actions scenes for wildly pan-and-zoom.

btw, even though I didn't get a response to my complaints of a terribly written scene (or to Vexer's, which you replied with another topic), I guess I kind of have a semi-answer to that in your later posts in the Pacific Rim thread.


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MGamesCook wrote:
I never watched any of the animated series on a regular basis during childhood. Except for the Mr. Freeze episode of Batman, I remember there was a lot of hype for it for some reason. A few years ago, I watched a couple episodes out of sheer curiosity. The only ones I took the time to watch were: Superman Origin (the pilot), Superman meets Batman (great episode, seriously), and the Justice League "pilot." Coolness of characters aside, these are the only three stories that piqued my interest. Perhaps the powers that be are having a similar reaction now to the one I did?

Name familiarity does tend to spark interest. I happen to love both shows you just namechecked and can recommend a dozen great episodes off the top of my head, but I realize that I've got inroads with those shows that the general public doesn't have. I grew up on them and I grew up on the characters that inspired them.

Does the general public even know who Darkseid and Mongul are? Would they understand the expertly modulated mixture of satire and reverence that lies within the Gray Ghost episode? I don't think these stories are in any way inaccessible, save for the fact that most people will do what you did: skip them and go for the ones that are more immediately familiar.

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I don't think these stories are in any way inaccessible, save for the fact that most people will do what you did: skip them and go for the ones that are more immediately familiar.


I may get around to watching more. It's definitely legitimate to ask why we're getting two (probably three) Thor movies and two (probably three) Captain American movies, but these interesting Superman subplots are MIA. That's what I think some people are missing about The Avengers. Eventually things will settle back to what they were ten years ago. Superman/Batman/Spider-Man are the eternal big cheeses. Iron Man is a fad.

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This is kind of hard to believe unless you mean the shots without any human or real-world artifacts.


That's what I mean. Many shots in Steel are of real photography superimposed against CGI in very specific ways. This includes all the action scenes. Snyder's dedicated, very careful design, for me at least, led to a more immersive experience than I've ever had in a superhero movie. I got caught up in the moment, which is the experience I crave when I go to see a movie. I've never been "caught up," so to speak, in any superhero movie that I've ever seen other than parts of the original Superman, Spider-Man 2, and maybe parts of Batman Returns. Other than those examples, and most of Steel, I could always see the strings being pulled in this genre.

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but I don't know why he traded in his usual smooth actions scenes for wildly pan-and-zoom.


It's to demonstrate that CGI and 200 mil + doesn't mean traditional filmic devices get thrown out the window. The camera zooms, which in this movie are remarkably controlled, are done inside the camera and not inside a computer. This is Snyder's way of showing that he planned the shots beforehand and didn't use CGI as an excuse not to compose shots (which is what Joss Whedon did). Snyder never forgot that he was making a movie and not a CGI demo reel. He lived up to his role as illusionist. I don't think a lot of directors think of themselves as determinants of objective quality. They pick an illusion they want to pull off and they stick to maintaining it. What else can they do?

As for the tornado scene, I will say the timing is maybe a bit off. Costner stands there waiting to die for just a little bit too long. Should have been quicker. A small misstep.

Again, the studio may not have the confidence to give Superman his own sequel, but they weren't disappointed enough to fire Snyder.


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