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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that we are less than two weeks away from this movie's release? It feels surreal. Then again, I don't really watch that much television, so I would know very little about the movie's undoubtedly gargantuan advertising campaign. Still, does anyone else think that time has really flown? It's hard to believe that just five months ago, we were...five months away from the next chapter in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I often enjoy reading reviews from across the pond, where the movie seems to do fairly well among critics. There is no longer a Twitter embargo for the movie, so I was interested to hear what Shaun Munro had to say about IM3. Surprisingly, he seemed underwhelmed: "Ok, didn't love Iron Man 3. Great action, Black's dialogue is great, thought it totally lost momentum from act 2 and the villains sucked."

I don't think that it can be worse than Iron Man 2, but I won't be surprised if it is a letdown. Still, one can only hope. I'm at Ebertfest at the moment, so I hold off on judgment until I actually see the movie sometime in the next week or so.


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Many mixed reactions are coming in, this obviously won't get the universal praise of Avengers or the first Iron Man. I feel a lot has to do with hype-based perception and not with how good the film actually is. I've met literally dozens of people who despised Skyfall with a passion because it wasn't Casino Royale.


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Iron Man 2 squandered a lot of the goodwill earned by the first movie by spending half its time shamelessly marketing other movies. I'll turn up for Iron Man 3, but I can't say I expect much from it.

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My expectations for this one were lowered by the previous film, so I'm not shocked to hear that impressions are mixed. I think it was a big mistake for Marvel to clash with Jon Favreau when it came to the direction of the films. If this one focuses too much on Iron Man's link to the Avengers, then it is going to likely be a disappointment like the 2nd one was.

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The impression I get from the trailers is that we're in for a darker experience than the first two. Not quite on the level of Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, but considerably more serious than what we've seen so far.

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Personally I liked Iron Man 2 for all it's faults and i'm really looking forward to this one.


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Curious to see what Shane Black does with this. I think Favreau realized he'd painted himself into a corner and that may have something to do with why he walked away. The second Iron Man was a let down. This one looks like it might be an improvement.

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I thought the first two movies in the series stunk, so I won't be seeing this on.

That said, Ben Kingsley is damn near 70! How am I supposed to buy him as a villain? What's next, him and Liam Neeson in a buddy action comedy?


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PeachyPete wrote:
I thought the first two movies in the series stunk, so I won't be seeing this on.

That said, Ben Kingsley is damn near 70! How am I supposed to buy him as a villain? What's next, him and Liam Neeson in a buddy action comedy?

I would totally pay to see that!


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Iron Man was truly awesome. It used Robert Downey Jr. to his fullest potential, resulting in a one-of-a-kind entertainer, which is ceaselessly rewatchable. Iron Man 2 was kinda meh! It was OK for one-time theater viewing but doesn't hold up for much after that. Rourke and Rockwell made for a underwhelming pair of villains. Iron Man 3 also looks kinda meh, although the infusion of darkness if much-appreciated. But the series has definitely overstayed its welcome.

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I just saw Iron Man 3 and it is a lot of fun. Again, Robert Downey Jr is used full potential but this time better scripted than Iron man 2. This entry in the franchise is now my favourite 8-)

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So I was really anticipating it tomorrow until I discovered that we (Thailand) will be getting it the same week as America, very unusual for a big action tentpole movie.

Anyway, I found a Thai sweded version of the trailer. I hope it isn't only a cultural thing for me, because by the end I was almost rolling on the floor. :lol:

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I wonder what this'll end up with on rottentomatoes in the long run. As of now it's at 89%. Marvel currently enjoys the same privilege of universal praise that Pixar had for many years. Interestingly, there are many more negative reviews on Imdb, a site usually known for its insistence that an event movie is great. I wouldn't recommend checking it out, however, if you dont' want to be spoiled. Major twists are already taken for granted there. The always-intelligent Stephanie Zacharek is one of the negative reviewers for the film. Her main points: Downey has already taken the role as far as it can go, and there's too much plot so the movie doesn't have a clear focus. I think it's definitely important for a good movie to have a clear focus. The last time a superhero movie had one was...never?


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I wonder what this'll end up with on rottentomatoes in the long run. As of now it's at 89%. Marvel currently enjoys the same privilege of universal praise that Pixar had for many years. Interestingly, there are many more negative reviews on Imdb, a site usually known for its insistence that an event movie is great. I wouldn't recommend checking it out, however, if you dont' want to be spoiled. Major twists are already taken for granted there. The always-intelligent Stephanie Zacharek is one of the negative reviewers for the film. Her main points: Downey has already taken the role as far as it can go, and there's too much plot so the movie doesn't have a clear focus. I think it's definitely important for a good movie to have a clear focus. The last time a superhero movie had one was...never?

Stephanie Zacharek is honestly one of the most frustrating film critics I have ever encountered, although I can see why you might like her. She sees movies in ways that others traditionally do not.

As for the Tomatometer, I predicted an 88% yesterday. Now, however, the movie's score is beginning to slip. There are currently 66 reviews online, with seven of them negative. In the end, however, I expect that 300 reviews will be logged. At that rate, assuming that seven negative reviews are counted for every 50 reviews, it should end up with an 86%. Not bad.

Reading each review individually, you will find that many of them are rewarding the film a score of four out of five. Good, but not great. This is why average ratings are much more accurate representations of a movie's quality, as opposed to the actual Tomatometer score.

Anticipating a drop in Tomatometer scores is always fun. Frankly, I agree with James when he said that he would rather see Avengers 2, as opposed to sitting through a bunch of Phase Two movies. The Iron Man franchise just seems to have run its course.


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The always-intelligent Stephanie Zacharek is one of the negative reviewers for the film. Her main points: Downey has already taken the role as far as it can go, and there's too much plot so the movie doesn't have a clear focus. I think it's definitely important for a good movie to have a clear focus. The last time a superhero movie had one was...never?

In the interest of avoiding spoilers, I won't read the review until after I see the film, but how does she define clear focus and what is it about a plot that prevents it from happening? For that matter, what is too much plot?

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Zacharek is no Kael, but she has some sharp things to say in line with some opinions I agree with. The marketing for Iron Man 3, despite being omnipotent, is a little fuzzy. I suspect some people are confused as to whether this is just Iron Man 3 or Avengers 1.25. The history of the Bond series shows that the most successful entries are often the ones in which a gap between films has been wide, and the new film hotly anticipated (Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, Casino Royale, Skyfall). It's hard to imagine now, but I wonder if this "Phase 2" thing will be a folly. Avengers 2 will really be Avengers 3. Avengers 2 is happening now, in November, and next April in parts. Hell, Thor 2 is even bringing Loki back. Besides, Downey, Paltrow, and Jarvis were stressed so relentlessly in Avengers that Shane Black's film is really Iron Man 4. Even the fattest cow can only be milked so frequently. Not that there will be any repercussions. Not this time anyway.

"too much action, too many characters, too many pseudo-feelings. The mechanics of Iron Man 3 are complex and rambunctious, like Keystone Kops, bouncing off one another and ultimately canceling one another out."

Spider-Man 3 syndrome could creep in here, but what it sounds like to me is just what JB said in his Iron Man 2 review. That this character might not lend himself to more than one standalone movie. But, it'll be interesting to see what he says about this one and how casual moviegoers react to it.


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The Tomatometer doesn't look like it's budging at the moment, but I doubt that it will cross the 90% threshold. It should end up somewhere in the eighties. I can't see it becoming like Spider-Man 3, which is at a 63% right now. I mean, could the score really drop that sharply? Were these critics, who are writing glowing reviews for the film, cherry-picked by Marvel or Disney or Paramount or whoever? I doubt it. It might end up with something of an Amazing Spider-Man complex, but I'm fairly certain that it will be warmly received for the most part.

Of all of the film critics featured on RT, I think that the Schmoes are most emblematic of what casual movie-goers want. They gave the film four stars and three-and-a-half stars out of five respectively. Here is their review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgt3Ohg474.

Overall, IM3 will divide fans the way The Dark Knight Rises did, but I cannot see a sharp drop in the Tomatometer occurring all of a sudden.

No spoilers here, but I have heard that there is a twist that takes place 40-45 minutes into the movie which changes everything. The Schmoes mention it briefly in their review, but I have a feeling that one's interpretation of this twist will be integral in how one critiques the film as a whole.


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I can't see it becoming like Spider-Man 3, which is at a 63% right now.


I just meant in terms of specific flaws, like too many characters and subplots that never come together. When it comes to debating the quality of these movies, I think a big part of the problem is that you're never really arguing for or against just one movie. By discussing Iron Man 3, you're also discussing The Avengers and The Avengers 2, and therefore Thor 2 and the next Captain America.

These movies simply don't stand on their own. A great movie is one where you sit down, and the story is told by the time you stand back up. These films are overblown with effects and plots that are often weak, but the sequel mentality may be a big part of the problem. Iron Man, of 2008, worked on its own terms, but those terms seemed to be that it was a slice of pizza, and in four years we would get the whole box. Four years later, we get the whole box, but Phase 2 means that box was just one of many boxes in a huge pizza truck that'll get delivered over the next five years. And after that, who knows. It keeps going until the money runs out. It's a perpetual blue balls effect. This is a series without a Return of the King, a Deathly Hallows, a World's End, or a Matrix Revolutions. It doesn't seem to be leading to a climax the way those other series (though flawed) were. It's treading water indefinitely.


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I can't see it becoming like Spider-Man 3, which is at a 63% right now.


I just meant in terms of specific flaws, like too many characters and subplots that never come together. When it comes to debating the quality of these movies, I think a big part of the problem is that you're never really arguing for or against just one movie. By discussing Iron Man 3, you're also discussing The Avengers and The Avengers 2, and therefore Thor 2 and the next Captain America.

These movies simply don't stand on their own. A great movie is one where you sit down, and the story is told by the time you stand back up. These films are overblown with effects and plots that are often weak, but the sequel mentality may be a big part of the problem. Iron Man, of 2008, worked on its own terms, but those terms seemed to be that it was a slice of pizza, and in four years we would get the whole box. Four years later, we get the whole box, but Phase 2 means that box was just one of many boxes in a huge pizza truck that'll get delivered over the next five years. And after that, who knows. It keeps going until the money runs out. It's a perpetual blue balls effect. This is a series without a Return of the King, a Deathly Hallows, a World's End, or a Matrix Revolutions. It doesn't seem to be leading to a climax the way those other series (though flawed) were. It's treading water indefinitely.

You're right. Originally, I thought that part of the fun would be seeing the Avengers franchise go on indefinitely. After all, it's always sad when a great film series ends. The same argument could be made against the Bond or Star Trek franchises, but those can always be rebooted. The Avengers is an effects-heavy spectacle that cannot be reproduced any time soon. I loved Iron Man, but I also believe that one of the biggest flaws plaguing the latter three Phase One movies (IM2, Thor, Cap Am) was the fact that they were essentially set-ups for The Avengers. IM2 was practically a commercial for the movie, while Thor and Cap Am had far too many references to S.H.I.E.L.D. Wouldn't it have been just as effective to end Cap Am with Nick Fury rounding up the four heroes together?

The last three Avengers movies were all about setting up The Avengers. Now, it seems that the next few Avengers movies will do nothing but ride on the previous film's success and set up Avengers 2. I have nothing against quality pictures that make a ton of money, but it still begs the question: how long can this possibly go on?

I did love The Avengers, however. The one thing that frustrates me, nonetheless, is the fact that it has essentially made it impossible for each future Marvel movie to stand on its own.


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Last two posts are right on the money. There really should be an ending point for these Avengers movies. I mentioned this somewhere else, but I'll reiterate it here. The longer you go on, the greater the chances of producing an epic embarrassment like Batman and Robin or Spiderman 3. As long as Joss Whedon-- who really has his finger on the pulse of his audience and what the tone of these movies should be-- is around, I don't see something on that level transpiring. But I thought the same about Sam Raimi....

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