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10th anniversary of Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers -12/18 
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"There are two types of people in the literary world, those who have read LotR and those who haven't"


I'd say that says a lot more about their literary knowledge than anyone else's. Lord of the Rings is a highly important and influences piece of literature. But if anyone tries to say that it's the most important book you can ever read (as that statement very much seems to imply), then I'd suggest that they need to read more.


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I'd say that says a lot more about their literary knowledge than anyone else's. Lord of the Rings is a highly important and influences piece of literature. But if anyone tries to say that it's the most important book you can ever read (as that statement very much seems to imply), then I'd suggest that they need to read more.[/quote]

I cannot arque with you at all.
I wonder in 50 years time, will Harry Potter be forgotten or will it be held in the same esteem as LotR's.


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Only if dumbing down reaches epic levels.

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I find that they irrate me becuase at the tiome they thought that LotR was so superior to anything else and if there were any flaws in the script then they would use the argument.
"Well it was written 50 / 60 years ago"
They also have the following expression/
"There are two types of people in the literary world, those who have read LotR and those who haven't"
At the time when I heard one of them saying this, I thought. perhaps they are right.
But now, I think that it is just bullshit.
Again I'm sorry if this annoys anyone but
I believe that LotR's is a kids book taken way too seriously by adults.


No annoyance here. I agree.


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I personally think these kinds of discussion as to whether LOTR/HP should be considered literary masterpieces are taken way too seriously. If LOTR/HP fanboys taking their respective franchises way too seriously can be considered an obsession, then so too can the opposite set of people trying to discredit said franchises at any opportunity. Their goals might be different, but both sets are obsessive about reaching their respective goals. The same applies to The Dark Knight Trilogy fanboys versus those who discredit them. And it applies to any of these pairs of sets in particular.

If in 50 years time, I am still alive and have children/grandchildren, I'd get them started on reading Harry Potter/LOTR the first chance I get. Do I care whether these are literary masterpieces? Do I care that they haven't won one of those prestigious Booker Prizes? Do I care that they may not be as heralded as Jane Austen/Victor Hugo and any other great literary writer? Nope. Both those franchises entertained me to no end and I consider them to be some of favorites. On the other hand, I am trying to read a number of Booker Prize winning books and a number of historical masterpieces as well. Good thing I don't condescend on LOTR/HP fanboys just because I am trying to get into other literary works as well.

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I believe that LotR's is a kids book taken way too seriously by adults.


This seems a sad put down of great children's stories. Pinocchio is off in the corner crying.

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p604 wrote:
I believe that LotR's is a kids book taken way too seriously by adults.


This seems a sad put down of great children's stories. Pinocchio is off in the corner crying.


I didn't finish the first LOTR book (halfway through). I was 11 at the time and for a non-English speaking kid it was really hard to get into and long-winded (that would change for sure reading them now). But even myself back then would have thought this "kid's book taken too seriously by adults" thing absurd. The sheer amount of world building and details alone are worthy of such attention.


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The sheer amount of world building and details alone are worthy of such attention.


Well, I can't speak for or against the book since I haven't read it, but I do know that world building in film works a lot differently than it does in literature. Construction through fine, meticulous craftsmanship is everything. It isn't enough to simply throw everything from the book up onto the screen.


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Are you saying Jackson's trilogy didn't have craftsmanship and detail?

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Are you saying Jackson's trilogy didn't have craftsmanship and detail?


A wide variety of names and species doesn't count as detail for me. It has individual spurts of pleasing craftsmanship, but all of it becomes a bit redundant after a while. What production value does LOTR have that Troy doesn't have? What emotional drama that Troy doesn't have? The main difference between the two is that Troy never loses its sense of proportion.


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Well, I can't speak for the movies because I've seen them a long time ago, but the post I was replying to specifically said that about the book, so there's that.


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JJoshay wrote:
Are you saying Jackson's trilogy didn't have craftsmanship and detail?


A wide variety of names and species doesn't count as detail for me. It has individual spurts of pleasing craftsmanship, but all of it becomes a bit redundant after a while. What production value does LOTR have that Troy doesn't have? What emotional drama that Troy doesn't have? The main difference between the two is that Troy never loses its sense of proportion.


Troy has high production value. But it is a bit silly.

Like an up-market Monty Python.

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Troy has high production value. But it is a bit silly.

Like an up-market Monty Python.


It does manage to be somewhat modest and breezy though, and it's great fun for fans of the story. Always interesting.


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It is fun, yes. But I can't get past Pitt's pouting like a teenage beauty queen.

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Are you saying Jackson's trilogy didn't have craftsmanship and detail?

To quote Monty Python.
"It's just a model."


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