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How good is Skyfall? 
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I know I go on and on about this film, but the direction, photography, acting, and most importantly writing are Just fucking amazing.

The island and Scotland scenes ... Jesus!

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It's really good. Not just because of the photography, but because it remains focused on its own story and tells it well. The modestness of it is moving. It doesn't demand that audiences love it, that it becomes the new "thing," that Bardem's villain becomes the new iconic meme or whatever. All it demands is that its own story be told clearly and honestly. That's what makes it good.


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The first half? Excellent

The second half? Not so much.

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The first half? Excellent

The second half? Not so much.


Disagree. I would say first half, really solid. Second half, exceptional.


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Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.

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Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


There's a real intelligence behind that construction. The script values symbolism over literal logic. I think it works for what it is in that sense. I found the London and Scotland scenes poignant and powerful. They reach beyond themselves to become a metaphor for the series itself.


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I liked it well enough, though I have to say I prefer the Brosnan films.


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I haven't watched SKYFALL again since I first saw it in theaters, but what I remember most is the ending.

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Judi Dench's M dies, a male M takes over, and BOOM! We're right back where we started in the Connery days

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MGamesCook wrote:
JamesKunz wrote:
Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


There's a real intelligence behind that construction. The script values symbolism over literal logic. I think it works for what it is in that sense. I found the London and Scotland scenes poignant and powerful. They reach beyond themselves to become a metaphor for the series itself.


I respect what the Scotland scenes were trying for, even though they just left me wishing I was watching Straw Dogs. However I can't forgive the film for the London sequences. The absurdity and nonsensicality of Javier Bardem's plan, coupled with its increasing staleness in light of The Dark Knight and The Avengers, made me angry.

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That's interesting. I thought the villainous plotting in Skyfall and Dark Knight were very similar (and similarly fatuous), but the difference is that Skyfall is the more romantic film, and therefore the more excusable one.

I don't think The Avengers stacks up to either one of them in any respect, except maybe the whipcrack dialogue.

I think the biggest pleasure of Skyfall is that it doesn't assume that Bond has to be a myth--he can be a real person with a past and an opinion about the work he does--but it doesn't trip over itself trying to deconstruct him, either. A lot of movies about long-running characters tend to go hard in one direction or the other. Skyfall manages to be smart and touching while still being vintage Ian Fleming James Bond.

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but the difference is that Skyfall is the more romantic film, and therefore the more excusable one.


Why is that though? I think you're right, I'm just trying to clarify it for myself.

Part of the reason it works for me is that the ongoing communication between Bond and Q during that sequence is played for dry humor. There's no other sequence like that in any of the other 22 movies. It felt fresh and energizing.


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I think the biggest pleasure of Skyfall is that it doesn't assume that Bond has to be a myth--he can be a real person with a past and an opinion about the work he does--but it doesn't trip over itself trying to deconstruct him, either. A lot of movies about long-running characters tend to go hard in one direction or the other. Skyfall manages to be smart and touching while still being vintage Ian Fleming James Bond.


I mainly agree, but for the fact that this was all done in Casino Royale two films earlier. It's like when The Wrestler came out and everyone was like "Wow! Mickey Rourke!" and I was like..."Yes, where were you when Sin City came out 3 years ago?"

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Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


I completely disagree, James. The Scotland scene is amazing

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JamesKunz wrote:
Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


I completely disagree, James. The Scotland scene is amazing


Again, it just struck me as less-good Straw Dogs. But I can SEE why people like it. I can't see how anyone who's seen a movie before didn't roll his eyes at Javier Bardem's ludicrously complicated "BUT I WANTED TO GET CAUGHT, SEE" plot in London.

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NotHughGrant wrote:
JamesKunz wrote:
Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


I completely disagree, James. The Scotland scene is amazing


Again, it just struck me as less-good Straw Dogs. But I can SEE why people like it. I can't see how anyone who's seen a movie before didn't roll his eyes at Javier Bardem's ludicrously complicated "BUT I WANTED TO GET CAUGHT, SEE" plot in London.


I get the Bardem objection, but the use of the rustic Uk coutryside is amazing. I burned my modest VW in that part of the world

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Again, it just struck me as less-good Straw Dogs. But I can SEE why people like it. I can't see how anyone who's seen a movie before didn't roll his eyes at Javier Bardem's ludicrously complicated "BUT I WANTED TO GET CAUGHT, SEE" plot in London.


I see it as just Bond doing what Bond has always done: taking a jab at contemporary devices. In the past, Bond has taken jabs at Blaxploitation, Kung Fu films, Space Operas, Indiana Jones, Miami Vice, etc. I see Skyfall as a half-sarcastic nod to Dark Knight. Especially the exchange:

"He's dressed as a policeman."

"Of course he is."


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but the use of the rustic Uk coutryside is amazing.


That I agree with. Particularly since the Bond series has been all over the world, from Madagascar to North Korea, but never really showed much of the UK beyond London

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JamesKunz wrote:
Once it leaves the island and goes back to Britain, the film just kept slipping. And I kept getting sadder.


There's a real intelligence behind that construction. The script values symbolism over literal logic. I think it works for what it is in that sense. I found the London and Scotland scenes poignant and powerful. They reach beyond themselves to become a metaphor for the series itself.


Yes (that's all I have to add)

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I mainly agree, but for the fact that this was all done in Casino Royale two films earlier. It's like when The Wrestler came out and everyone was like "Wow! Mickey Rourke!" and I was like..."Yes, where were you when Sin City came out 3 years ago?"

I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes. James Bond is not the kind of series that's ever been hurt by repeating a successful idea. It's certainly hurt itself by repeating unsuccessful ideas, or by repeating successful ideas in a joyless and mechanical way, but neither is the case here.

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MGamesCook wrote:

I see it as just Bond doing what Bond has always done: taking a jab at contemporary devices. In the past, Bond has taken jabs at Blaxploitation, Kung Fu films, Space Operas, Indiana Jones, Miami Vice, etc. I see Skyfall as a half-sarcastic nod to Dark Knight.


*Furrows brow* Sounds like someone's straining to do some explaining, Lisa

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