I concede that I'm not qualified to argue these points. I'm in a position now where I have feelings that I can't quite put into words that will convince anybody. I can only try to reach out to other people who I know feel the same way. I know there are people even on this forum who do feel the same way but are afraid to speak up. I think The Avengers will help my case a little bit, since I can't be the only one uncomfortable after sitting through it.

I was dead wrong on one key point: I should never have singled out Nolan. He's one of the worst offenders for what I'm talking about, but he isn't the only one, and the problem does not just come from him. The problem I'm referring to isn't as simple as mature vs. immature or intelligent vs. non-intelligent, or anything like that, but it's the same thing which has infected not only The Dark Knight and Inception, but also Avatar, all the Avengers films, all the Harry Potters, all the Lord of the Rings, and countless others.

Guys...these movies are full of hot air. They're not style over substance, they're nothingness over both style and substance. So much money is thrown at the screen that the very concept of a budget has become irrelevant. I don't understand why more of you won't admit this. You say, oh, it's just dumb fun, movies have always been like that. No, they really haven't, and there is a difference even if you wont' admit it. The Avengers isn't popcorn, it's an expensive fix. It's like getting high for 2.5 hours and staring into nothingness. It's like watching a Pokemon movie for Christ's sake, and anyone who's seen one of those will know exactly what I'm talking about. But it has characters, you might say, it has a plot, it has emotions! Well, of course it does, so it must be good right?

Picture yourself in my position. I know there are others who know what I'm trying to say, but I'm clearly not saying it 100% correctly, and the more confident posters will use that handicap to say that my perspective has no basis in fact or truth. The way I'm saying it, maybe you're right, maybe it doesn't. But there is truth to what I'm trying to get at. I won't be alone forever.

Guys...these movies are full of hot air. They're not style over substance, they're nothingness over both style and substance.

I bring up directors like Alfred Hitchcock because Nolan does things like Hitchcock but makes them better, because he not only has the talent but the money to make the movies better and more important. If Hitchcock had the money Nolan does he would have used it to make more important movies and he would have been a better director.

Please forgive me for quoting out of context and for stepping in - but no matter what context: Hitchcock by no means is God almighty of the movies but I honestly think you have no idea what you are talking about. Hitchcock and Nolan even in the same sentence is already an offense: both to Hitchcock and to anyone reading it. It's the exact same as mentioning Bernard Herrmann and Hans Zimmer in the same sentence. I think I'm in the wrong forum....

If it wasn't for the waves of stupidity that came out of Frogster's keyboard I'd be almost convinced that he and MGames were the same person. Both of them are egotistical, both of them think they're opinions are the only ones that mattered, both have crazy theories. It's just that Frogster's optimistic and MGames is pessimistic.

Zimmer seems to approach music as a sound effect--an atmospheric wash here, an orchestral hit there, and so on. It's a valid approach to film composition, but in my view it's also the bare minimum needed to get by as a film composer. It's certainly no cause to single him out for special praise.

Then again, it's a fairly utilitarian, on-the-nose method of scoring a film, which is a good fit for the utilitarian, on-the-nose storytelling style of the Batman movies. Perhaps a more inventive composer, with compositions that are designed to do more than simply provide another layer to the sound effects, would be out of place.

I was dead wrong on one key point: I should never have singled out Nolan. He's one of the worst offenders for what I'm talking about, but he isn't the only one, and the problem does not just come from him. The problem I'm referring to isn't as simple as mature vs. immature or intelligent vs. non-intelligent, or anything like that, but it's the same thing which has infected not only The Dark Knight and Inception, but also Avatar, all the Avengers films, all the Harry Potters, all the Lord of the Rings, and countless others.

Guys...these movies are full of hot air. They're not style over substance, they're nothingness over both style and substance. So much money is thrown at the screen that the very concept of a budget has become irrelevant.

I don't understand why more of you won't admit this. You say, oh, it's just dumb fun, movies have always been like that. No, they really haven't, and there is a difference even if you wont' admit it.

Picture yourself in my position. I know there are others who know what I'm trying to say, but I'm clearly not saying it 100% correctly, and the more confident posters will use that handicap to say that my perspective has no basis in fact or truth. The way I'm saying it, maybe you're right, maybe it doesn't. But there is truth to what I'm trying to get at. I won't be alone forever.

The amount of money put into a movie is almost directly correlational to it's quality. I bring up directors like Alfred Hitchcock because Nolan does things like Hitchcock but makes them better, because he not only has the talent but the money to make the movies better and more important. If Hitchcock had the money Nolan does he would have used it to make more important movies and he would have been a better director.

Ken wrote:
Perhaps a more inventive composer, with compositions that are designed to do more than simply provide another layer to the sound effects, would be out of place.

Um, you do know James Newton Howard also composes the Batman films alongside Hans Zimmer. Any comment on him?

OK, I know this may make McJamesCook's head explode (too much Nolan, I suspect), but I just bought my ticket for a Batman triple feature on 24 July. All three movies, starting at 1845.

Have front row balcony seats which is important, given the amount of time I will be spending on my ass. The balcony seats at The Cinema here in Munich are leather, recline, and there is plenty of legroom. I just will have to monitor my beer intake if I want to stay awake for all three films... (yes, they serve beer at the movies here in Germany).

OK, I know this may make McJamesCook's head explode (too much Nolan, I suspect), but I just bought my ticket for a Batman triple feature on 24 July. All three movies, starting at 1845.

OK, I know this may make McJamesCook's head explode (too much Nolan, I suspect), but I just bought my ticket for a Batman triple feature on 24 July. All three movies, starting at 1845.

Have front row balcony seats which is important, given the amount of time I will be spending on my ass. The balcony seats at The Cinema here in Munich are leather, recline, and there is plenty of legroom. I just will have to monitor my beer intake if I want to stay awake for all three films... (yes, they serve beer at the movies here in Germany).