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Specific scenes from Skyfall are in fact taken DIRECTLY from Winchester '73 and Bend of the River


what scenes?


Well, the
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shooting shotglass off severine's head
is sort of a combination of the strip scene in Man of the West and the opening rifle contest in Winchester. Then there is the burning down of the house at the end; setting flames to the past. Visually/literally/thematically identical to the burning down of a house in Winchester just before the final conflict plays itself out. Sharpest of all perhaps is Bond's battle with a thug under the ice. Obviously a reflection of the opening moment where Bond is alone in the water. During the later, climactic scene, Bond sheds a part of himself in order that he may survive. Visually/literally/thematically identical to the climax of Bend of the River, where Stewart casts off Arthur Kennedy in the rapids of the river, a cankerous, evil part of himself, in order that the good parts may survive.


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I'm not sure Craig is closer than Connery in his first few films. It's been a long time since I've seen Dr. No. One thing I liked was the simplicity and usefulness of the gadgets Q provides Bond with.

That is closer to the Bond played by Connery, simply because his early films stuck closer to the original Fleming novels which didn't ever focus on fancy gadgets more than on Bond's wits and toughness as a means of completing his assignments.

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I have read several of the books, and while Craig's version of the character is not synonymous with Fleming's, it is far closer than Moore's "clowneries" as you very aptly put it.

I would also argue that it is a good thing, because as mystifying as Fleming's Bond is, it's also his slightly OCD brand of sociopathy that makes him intriguing in the first place. Just as MacGyver wouldn't be interesting without his habit of spying every useful object in the room, Fleming's Bond wouldn't be interesting without his materialistic obsessiveness over details and the deliberate distance he keeps from his emotional core. It's in those details that Fleming allows us to participate fleetingly in the life of a secret serviceman. Some of this seeps into Craig's interpretation, as it did with Connery and Lazenby. It tends to evaporate in the other interpretations, which start to live down to the stereotype of Bond movies being all about implausible stunts and gadgets.

In the case of Skyfall, the "character development" in question is merely an attempt to make Bond not quite the same character by the end of the movie as he was at the beginning. I applaud that. That's drama, and it's something that many of the Bond movies falter at doing. I'm not suggesting that this makes him three-dimensional by any means, but it keeps him from being one-dimensional.


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My preference is for four-dimensional characters, but there are so few of those running around that I sometimes wonder why I even bother.

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For those who hadn't heard yet, a full rendition of Adele's theme song:

http://www.soulculture.co.uk/music-blog ... new-music/

Enh, I can't say that I'm a huge fan of it, though it is by no means a bad song. I liked the more lively songs that accompanied the previous 2 Bond films (particularly Chris Cornell's theme for Casino Royale). IMO, the theme song helps to set the tone of the film to come, and if Adele's song is any indication, that may mean a more slowly-plotted outing for 007. I'm hopeful that I'm wrong, of course.

Having seen the film now, I will say that my opinion of this song changed, as it fit the opening credits sequence very well. That opening sequence was one of the best I've ever seen in a Bond film- in fact, I'm trying to decide whether I like it more than the opening to Casino Royale, which is currently my favorite. It definitely ranks above what was my 2nd favorite Bond film opening, Thunderball.

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A second viewing reinforces what I loved about it the first time while going a long way toward dispelling any flaws I thought it had. Like Casino Royale, this is a great Bond movie, but perhaps more importantly it's a real flesh and blood movie; a tour-de-force of storytelling, as all of the best Bonds are. When Bond is at his best, he offers some of the sharpest narrative thrust mainstream cinema has to offer, and I think Skyfall fits that bill pretty well. And narrative thrust, come to think of it, is one thing that's been missing from almost every blockbuster of recent years. In fact, some viewers may be forgiven for not being able to recognize it anymore.

Yes, Skyfall has successful artistic aspirations, but that's hardly the point is it? The point is that it marks the return of storytelling and direction to the action genre. And honestly, I really don't think the Nolan comparisons are valid people. Bravo to JB for being the only critic who didn't try to make them. Silva = Joker? Nah, couldn't be more different in fact; one is an agent of chaos, the other has a grudge against mom. Prison escape? No, let us remember that Nolan is still very young and is not responsible for The Silence of the Lambs. Cinematography? Nolan wishes. Likeability of protagonist? Christian Bale wishes. I could draw 1000 similarities to other movies besides Dark Knight. Judi Dench's trial was kinda like Radcliffe's in Harry Potter 5, right? The climax like Home Alone? French female singer playing on loudspeaker among war zone debris: Saving Private Ryan?

Here's my take on it: it's a 100 year art form and there are only so many ways an action movie can entertain you; only so many directions in which a story can go. Films are similar to each other, and some age better than others because some are simply better directed than others. I get much more of a thrill out of Franz Sanchez than I do out of Hans Gruber. I suspect, 20 years from now, another young movie watcher may find Silva more interesting than the Joker.


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For what it's worth, I think that Skyfall is better than all Nolan's Batman films. But, Mendes did cite TDK as an influence and one or two moments back that up.

And yes, obviously Silva is more interesting than the Joker. Considerably so. But there is not point trying to compare Ledger to Bardem really. Different levels of actor. Bardem is clearly far superior.

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And honestly, I really don't think the Nolan comparisons are valid people.


Surprise disclosure of the year! ;)


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I knew that part of his interview before going in the movie, but if he meant for TDK as an influence I thought it didn't show at all, except for maybe the villain (and certainly some specific events in his arc).


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I knew that part of his interview before going in the movie, but if he meant for TDK as an influence I thought it didn't show at all, except for maybe the villain (and certainly some specific events in his arc).


Again though, the main villain's motivation couldn't be farther from Joker's. His charisma more closely evokes some past Bond villains than Heath Ledger. And the messages he sends to M and Q on their computers reminded me much more of Jigsaw. Anyway, it's something that's been done for decades. The abandoned city on Silva's island is also a riff on Inception. But in the second half, Skyfall is closer to Harry Potter than to Nolan. The finale is very Potter-esque. But I suppose Mendes would have looked silly had he cited that as a primary influence.


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The abandoned city on Silva's island is also a riff on Inception.


Ahaa! Seems we are getting somewhere.... Just wait until I can get my hands on screen caps. Then we talk.
I am NOT saying anything about my personal opinion about Nolan.


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I didn't mention the specifics because I thought they seemed more pubicly obivous, but well, I was referring to
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the way he let himself got captured to the good guys' headquarter with a specific purpose and then broke out with his endless minions helping along. Also, and this is more from a personal reaction, their characters are kind of disturbingly magnetic in the same sense.


I'm usually not one to notice these kind of things in the moment (the only other time I remember was The Lion King and Vertigo), but while I watched that sequence, I got "oh so that's what he (the director) meant". A few of my friends who are not movie buffs and even less inclined to see those things also mentioned it after the movie.


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Skyfall might break the 47 years Oscar drought. Last time a Bond movie won an Oscar was Thunderball for Visual effects in 1965. I think that Roger Deakins for cinematography is the best bet, at least to be nominated with a good chance to win. Bardem also can be at least nominated and with some possibility due of up to 10 entries for best picture then Skyfall could be nominated in the very top category too 8-) . There is an article that elaborates more about it:

Why 'Skyfall' Has the Best Chance to Break the Bond Oscar Curse

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It would be nice to see a Best Cinematography Award go to a big summer movie that actually has real cinematography in it.

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I don't think it can beat Life of Pi.

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I haven't seen Life of Pi, but from the ads, it appears to be very CGI-heavy. To which I reiterate my comment about real cinematography.

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I haven't seen Life of Pi, but from the ads, it appears to be very CGI-heavy. To which I reiterate my comment about real cinematography.


Absolutely. Saw the trailer. The saturated colors in some scenes look extremely cheezy. The tiger attack screamed CGI!!!! The technology didn't evolve much in some crucial points since the late 90s. There should be two different categories, like "cinematography" (done almost exclusively on the set and in-camera)and "CGI/After Effects fest".
Skyfall very convincingly looked like it was shot with top notch 35mm film. Of course only people who actually did work with 35mm film know what it looks like at its best. The cheezy, squeaky-clean pseudo photorealistic oil painting/air brush art - ey look of "Life of Pi" (judging by the HD trailer) shouldn't become the new standard.
Still "Life of Pi" is strong classic Oscar material: the trailer contains the following words: life, hope, triumph. To me it sounds like a parody of a typical Academy Award winner.... oh well.


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Ken wrote:
It would be nice to see a Best Cinematography Award go to a big summer movie that actually has real cinematography in it.


Hell yeah. Unfortunately, Hurt Locker lost cinematography to Avatar, so the coloring book style may be hard to beat.


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Skyfall very convincingly looked like it was shot with top notch 35mm film.


Actually was shot with a Arri Alexa digital camera but cool that it looked like 35mm film to you 8-)

Edited: I just remembered that at the beginning of this thread you mentioned the Arri Alexa Digital camera so I now presume that you referred to Deakins's film skill in your last comment and if you know how look in film then you could get the same look (maybe better ;-)) if you use a very good digital gear :-). Anyway, I bet that you will elaborate more and/or make any amendment to my comment HaHa

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Skyfall very convincingly looked like it was shot with top notch 35mm film.


Actually was shot with a Arri Alexa digital camera but cool that it looked like 35mm film to you 8-)


Yep, I know. Same camera as used for "Drive". of course that "film look" doesn't come straight out of the camera - it has to be tweaked. It is very likely that the lighting has a lot to do with it. Only people who actually did work with film know exactly what to look for. Soon this will not be the case anymore. Newer generations will probably look for the oversaturated and "vivid" colors which true film is not capable of reproducing (I myself are not too keen about these - I like the silkiness and sweeter colors of the film look).

After the extremely cumbersome, and expensive but (IMHO) breathtakingly beautiful three strip Technicolor process was abandoned in 1957 - last movie to be shot in Technicolor was "this Island Earth" - filmmaker had to make due with rather muddy brownish colors during decades. The first movie with convincing vibrant colors including beautiful blues was "Superman" in 1978. This might be one of the reasons why throughout the 80s movies tended to emphasize (or make heavy use of) blues, which is one of many easy ways to tell them apart from earlier times. Just compare "Star Wars IV" to "Star Wars V" - the colors in the latter are so much better - and with more beautiful and stronger blues. Making the color palette that much richer and more complete.

"Skyfall" contains a great example of "digital" oversaturated colors to good effect during the nighttime shootout. It combines the film look with the strength of digital technology, yet it still looks a lot like film. The first thing which throws me out of a "digital looking" movie is that it looks unfinished.

The future certainly isn't film look. It should be something new altogether. As I said: I can't wait until great cinematographers take it to higher levels.


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