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I'm putting together a playlist, and I'm trying to think of song pairings whose subject matter is similar (or at least relatable) but whose approaches are entirely different.
For instance:
"Every Breath You Take" by the Police and "Creep" by Radiohead. Two songs of obsessive love, with the latter being a bit more honest than the former.
"Gotta Have You" by The Weepies and "Faster" by Rachael Yamagata. One song about sweet love, the other a gnarling breakup song.
"Roxanne" by The Police and "Golddigger" by Kanye West. Two tales of women who, erm, get around.

So, what can you think of?

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Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:35 pm
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"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?


Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:35 pm
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I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're looking for, but how about "Cocaine" by Eric Clapton and "Master of Puppets" by Metallica?


Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:18 pm
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oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?


Cemetery Gates about sexual abuse? Wow...what happened due to the obvious and correct, according to Phil Anselmo, who you know wrote the lyrics, interpretation that it's about a friend's death.


Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:19 pm
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oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?

Moreso about songs that in some way contrast significantly with one another. Kind of hard to make it into a compact definition.

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Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:52 pm
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'I Will Survive' by Gloria Gaynor and 'Alive' by Pearl Jam. Both are songs about overcoming obstacles in the past and 'surviving', but whereas Gaynor's song is about release and unambiguous triumph, Pearl Jam's song is less enthusiastic, and infinitely more gritty. 'Alive' is also (before I go insane about the pairing) a much better piece of music. Another Pearl Jam song that directly correlates to Gaynor's single is 'Rearviewmirror', which for all intents and purposes (even in terms of release date) should have made it onto the 'What's Love To Do With It?' soundtrack*. It's a note-perfect statement song about triumphing through extreme hardship, while also covertly letting on that the mental/physical scars are deeper than can be cured during the course of a four minute single.



* - What is with me and pairing PJ with divas?


Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:03 pm
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Patrick wrote:
oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?


Cemetery Gates about sexual abuse? Wow...what happened due to the obvious and correct, according to Phil Anselmo, who you know wrote the lyrics, interpretation that it's about a friend's death.


I was told it was about sexual abuse at the hand of a priest and the music video kinda supports this claim.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:16 pm
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oafolay wrote:
Patrick wrote:
oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?


Cemetery Gates about sexual abuse? Wow...what happened due to the obvious and correct, according to Phil Anselmo, who you know wrote the lyrics, interpretation that it's about a friend's death.


I was told it was about sexual abuse at the hand of a priest and the music video kinda supports this claim.


And I noticed the phrase "I listened to the song" never appears your rebuttal. The song is clearly about death. In fact, here are the lyrics and notice how a priest isn't mentioned outside the first two verses and even then only in counseling about Anselmo's girls death:

Reverend, Reverend,
Is this some conspiracy?
Crucified for no sins
Put an image, beneath me
What's within my plans for life
It all seems so unreal
I'm a man, couldn't have feel this world
Left in my misery

The reverend he turned to me
Without a tear in his eyes
Nothing new for him to see
I didn't ask him why
I will remember
The love our souls had
Sworn to make
Now I watch the falling rain
All my mind can see
Now is your (face)

Well I guess
You took my youth
And gave it all away
Like the birth of a
New found joy
This love would end in rage
And when she died
I couldn't cry
The pride within my soul
You left me incomplete
All alone as the
Memories now unfold

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

Sometimes when I'm alone
I wonder all aloud
If you're watching over me
Some place far abound
I must reverse my life
I can't live in the past
Then set my soul free
Belong to me at last

Through all those
Complex years
I thought I was alone
I didn't care to look around
And make this world my own
And when she died
I should've cried and spared myself some pain...
You left me incomplete
All alone as the memories still remain

The way we were
The chance to save my soul
And my concern is now in vain

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

The way we were
The chance to save my soul
And my concern is now in vain

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

Gates...
Gates...


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:21 pm
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As for me:

"Just the Way you Are" and "Grenade" by Bruno Mars. Both about love, the former happy love, the latter miserable love.

I'm sure I'll eventually think of others.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:22 pm
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Patrick wrote:
And I noticed the phrase "I listened to the song" never appears your rebuttal. The song is clearly about death. In fact, here are the lyrics and notice how a priest isn't mentioned outside the first two verses and even then only in counseling about Anselmo's girls death:

Reverend, Reverend,
Is this some conspiracy?
Crucified for no sins
Put an image, beneath me
What's within my plans for life
It all seems so unreal
I'm a man, couldn't have feel this world
Left in my misery

The reverend he turned to me
Without a tear in his eyes
Nothing new for him to see
I didn't ask him why
I will remember
The love our souls had
Sworn to make
Now I watch the falling rain
All my mind can see
Now is your (face)

Well I guess
You took my youth
And gave it all away
Like the birth of a
New found joy
This love would end in rage
And when she died
I couldn't cry
The pride within my soul
You left me incomplete
All alone as the
Memories now unfold

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

Sometimes when I'm alone
I wonder all aloud
If you're watching over me
Some place far abound
I must reverse my life
I can't live in the past
Then set my soul free
Belong to me at last

Through all those
Complex years
I thought I was alone
I didn't care to look around
And make this world my own
And when she died
I should've cried and spared myself some pain...
You left me incomplete
All alone as the memories still remain

The way we were
The chance to save my soul
And my concern is now in vain

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

The way we were
The chance to save my soul
And my concern is now in vain

Believe the word
I will unlock my door
And pass the
Cemetary gates

Gates...
Gates...


Oh well, guess I was wrong. Shit! Still a pretty amazing song...


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:28 pm
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firefly wrote:
oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?

Moreso about songs that in some way contrast significantly with one another. Kind of hard to make it into a compact definition.


The purpose of this topic is to find songs with a common theme (i.e. "Roxanne" and "Golddigger") that are the antonyms of each other stylistically. Does this work as a solid definition?

How about "Why does it hurt when I pee?" by Frank Zappa and "Should have used a rubber" by Big L. (Not sure if that's the official title of the song, as it's one of his unreleased tracks and I think whoever mixed it probably named it themselves). Both songs are about STD's, but stylistically are pretty contrasting.

P.S. look up the lyrics to both songs for a good laugh. They're both fairly humorous.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:18 pm
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PPS: The official title of the Big L song is "Clinic" with "should have used a rubber" sometimes put in parentheses. Also, it doesn't just have to be stylistically in terms of the music, but also in terms of how they depict certain things as opposed to each other (i.e."Every Breath You Take" vs. "Creep")

PPPS: Music video for "Why Does it Hurt when I Pee?"

The lyrics. MY BALLS FEEL LIKE A PAIR OF MARACAS!

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Video for "Clinic (Should Have Used a Rubber)"

The lyrics. MAN FUCK RHYMIN, CUS MAH DICK IS HARD ENOUGH TO CUT DIAMONDS!


Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:37 pm
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oafolay wrote:
Oh well, guess I was wrong. Shit! Still a pretty amazing song...


Dude, you were all the way wrong, sorry to say. 'Daddy' is about abuse Jon Davis suffered at the hands of a family member. The title, and his angst directed at his parents, was based on their apathetic reactions when he told both of them what had occurred.


Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:04 am
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Timmy Shoes wrote:
firefly wrote:
oafolay wrote:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera and "Daddy" by Korn both songs about dealing with childhood sexual abuse at the hands of a priest.
Is this what you're getting at?

Moreso about songs that in some way contrast significantly with one another. Kind of hard to make it into a compact definition.


The purpose of this topic is to find songs with a common theme (i.e. "Roxanne" and "Golddigger") that are the antonyms of each other stylistically. Does this work as a solid definition?

Yes.

Another: Hot For Teacher by Van Halen and Don't Stand So Close to Me by the Police (yes, a little bit too much of the Police, but they've been in my mixes a lot as of late). Two songs about school child crushes on teachers, the latter a bit more innocent and feminine and the former, well, what you would expect from Van Halen--uber testosterone.

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Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:09 pm
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Alright, I'm a give this a try one more time and hopefully I won't impale myself on my own ignorance like I did last time. Here goes nothing:

Rush's "Afterimage" vs. Puff Daddy's (or P. Diddy or whatever the fuck he goes by nowadays) "I'll Be Missing You" both songs written in dedication to individuals who had passed away and were very close to the artists. Whereas one was a completely original rock song (with a touch of New Wave), the other was a rap/R&B song that sampled an infinitely superior piece of music.


Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:19 pm
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The pros & cons of drug use.

Cypress Hills' Hits from the Bong, Velvet Underground's I'm Waiting for the Man vs. Hand of Doom (Black Sabbath), Needle in the Hay (Elliott Smith), Heroin (Velvet Underground).

Forgot about Sweet Leaf. That makes VU & BS have at least one song on each side on drug use.


Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:19 pm
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Two songs that reference both sides of drug use by Sublime:

What I Got and Pool Shark.

In What I Got, Bradley Nowell sings "I can still get high" as one of the positive aspects of life, even if "things went wrong" and "the money's all gone"

In Pool Shark Nowell sings:

"But now i've got the needle/and I can shake but I can't breathe/I take it away/but I want more, and more/one day I'm gonna lose the war"

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Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:19 pm
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anyone else noticing the "positive" drug songs are all/mostly about weed and all/most of the "negative" ones are for heroin/other hard stuff?


Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:26 pm
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Last Kiss by Pearl Jam and Cocaine Blues by Johnny Cash
Two songs about losing your loved one. Well, the former is a minor key, down-tempo ballad about losing her in a car accident, and the latter is an uptempo country rocker about shooting her after doing cocaine.

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Sun May 01, 2011 8:53 pm
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Last Kiss by Pearl Jam (originally J Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers)
Used To Love Her (But I Had To Kill Her) by Guns N Roses

What Firefly previously said. Although it wouldn't be surprising if OJ Simpson had the Guns N Roses song playing in the Bronco during the chase.

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