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The best place to move if you hate your government? 
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Post Re: The best place to move if you hate your government?
I agree with Shade, if you've only ever lived in the big city, then it's understandable how you'll get a bad impression of the U.S. as a whole, but not EVERYPLACE in the US is like that. I live in a small town in the rural midwest, and the people are very friendly and there's none of that "self-centered" attitude here, it's a very beautiful place, espeically during summer and late spring, however like you Timmy, I HATE the cold and it does get pretty nasty here, i'd really like to live in California if I got the chance, then I'd NEVER have to worry about snow again!


Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:13 pm
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Vexer wrote:
I agree with Shade, if you've only ever lived in the big city, then it's understandable how you'll get a bad impression of the U.S. as a whole, but not EVERYPLACE in the US is like that. I live in a small town in the rural midwest, and the people are very friendly and there's none of that "self-centered" attitude here, it's a very beautiful place, espeically during summer and late spring, however like you Timmy, I HATE the cold and it does get pretty nasty here, i'd really like to live in California if I got the chance, then I'd NEVER have to worry about snow again!



It snows in Tahoe :-)
and last year we had a dusting in the hills for 24 hours
Otherwise just sunny weather at the moment :-(
Rob


Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:15 pm
Post Re: The best place to move if you hate your government?
Well I meant Southern California, like LA, Sacremento, San diego, etc.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:19 pm
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Germany, especially Munich, rocks. More to follow...


Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:53 pm
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Vexer wrote:
Well I meant Southern California, like LA, Sacremento, San diego, etc.



I went to San Diego in June a few years ago and it was foggy and cloudy most of the time
I learned about June Gloom :(
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/gloom.html
Rob


Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:23 pm
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Robert Holloway wrote:
Vexer wrote:
Well I meant Southern California, like LA, Sacremento, San diego, etc.



I went to San Diego in June a few years ago and it was foggy and cloudy most of the time
I learned about June Gloom :(
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/gloom.html
Rob

It's kinda like that where I live in the spring, it usually dosen't get real sunny until late April.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:43 pm
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Fuggehttaabout manhattan, it's all about the Boogie Down.

Also, Vexer, I think you expanded upon Shade's point in a direction he didn't intend.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:04 pm
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Timmy Shoes wrote:
- The attitudes of the American people.

Timmy Shoes wrote:
I was thinking South America. The only thing I'm worried about is my type-1 diabetes, which is an obstacle for me when it comes to traveling, let alone moving. I'm going to have to familiarize myself with the healthcare systems in places like Belize or Ecuador (or Argentina, or Brazil, other places that appeal to me). But not being able to get insulin would be very, very bad. Actually it'd be a death sentence :lol:


:? There's insulin in the rest of the world you know. In fact there's a diabetes epidemic in the third world right now so rest assured that you'll have plenty of insulin. It's probably difficult to source when travelling but if you're a resident it should be easy to get.

South America is supposed to be pretty decent. It depends on where you go but the climate is generally warmer. Of course in warmer climates you'll have to deal with mosquitoes. You can get a vaccine for yellow fever but unfortunately you'll still have to worry about malaria and dengue. Economies are probably not as strong as the US either. When they crash, they crash. Witness Argentina a few years ago. Wars are unlikely, but you may have a Falkland Islands incident. Venezuela has some border disputes too and while it's mostly been angry words there's no guarantee that things won't escalate. Probably unlikely though. Crime is higher than in the US too. As a foreigner you may not be completely safe depending on where you end up. Again, it's unlikely that you'll be a victim of crime but it is more likely statistically than if you're in the US. Health care may not be on the same level but it's more than adequate. A job will pay considerably less, but then the cost of living will also be less.

Timmy Shoes wrote:
Also, does anybody know much about Australia? They're ranked high on the HDI, but I've heard it's very hard to become a citizen. Also not sure how much credence to the HDI I should give considering the U.S. has the same rank as Australia.


I actually don't think the US is a bad place to live, but I suppose the grass is always greener on the other side. A friend of mine was considering Australia but ultimately decided against it because of the racism against Indians. That won't affect you but I just thought I'd throw it out there. I pay attention to tech news and I can't really stand what Australia is doing. They're going the nanny-state route by censoring things they don't like on the Internet. There was also a recent story about them banning the new Mortal Kombat game but I don't know whether that stuck. All Australians will hate me for repeating this but a guy who went said that when you're in Australia you have to shit your pants so the flies stay off your face. I'm certain that he's grossly exaggerating things but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Timmy Shoes wrote:
But I'm also Irish-american, so Ireland has a lot of appeal to me as well. Though apparently their economy is in dire straights.


And you don't know if the IRA ever flares up. Incredibly unlikely but economic woes cause all kinds of things.

Timmy Shoes wrote:
Anybody know anything about Switzerland?


Not much. I was there for a few days in August and freezed my balls off. The temperature was in the low 50s despite it being summer (grrrr I hate Fahrenheit you better learn Metric if you intend to move) which was already way too cold for me. Nice country though. Lots of mountains. I love mountains! They give a place character. I believe taxes are very high, but apart from that and the cold weather this is not a bad place. You can get by with learning one language but the country officially speaks 3-4 (German, French, Italian and some other thing!). Different regions speak different languages.

Timmy Shoes wrote:
I've got my eye on Spain and Portugal, currently. Has anyone been?


Nope, but if the economy is a problem then you'd want to avoid Portugal for now. Their government just collapsed and they're pretty much in the same boat as Ireland. Spain is a little better off but there are concerns that they'll join Greece, Ireland and Portugal as the "in serious shit" countries.

Spain also has some internal conflict with the odd terrorist attack. Basque separatist groups and all that drama. Folks from Catalan are a bit insular too. I remember Barca (football club) refused to fly on an airline because the staff spoke normal Spanish and not Catalan.

DylnFan96818 wrote:
You could also consider South Korea; for non-Korean speakers, head towards Seoul or Pusan. All in all, Korea is cheap to live, Seoul is a mecca for shopping (especially electronics), Pusan is a resort town on the southern coast of the country and the local food is fantastic i.e. bulgogi and kimchee.


But South Korea is still officially at war with the North! They just have an armistice. War can resume anytime and almost did recently. With a new dictator set to take over in the North there may be danger.

firefly wrote:
I'd take a position in Singapore, too. Low taxes, awesome food, warm weather, low crime etc.


Singapore is supposed to be freaking organised. Timmy would have to stop smoking the reefer though. Wouldn't want to get caught with that over there. Or with chewing gum. Or get caught with porn. Or get caught not flushing the toilet. All those things are criminal offences.

MunichMan wrote:
Germany, especially Munich, rocks. More to follow...


Munich is one of the most expensive Cities in the world, no? I don't know about US taxes but I'm assuming the German ones are a bit higher. Also, Timmy will pay a lot more for gas in Europe. He can save by purchasing a SMART though. I don't think the Germans are involved in Iraq or Libya though so that's good for Timmy. Of course, they're heavily involved in Afghanistan...

*****

Timmy, the US is already a decent place to live. There are advantages and disadvantages everywhere you go. I'm not saying that you should stay but do consider that you're relatively fortunate. You may end up in a country that doesn't fight war but then you'll have to worry about your safety. Or what happens when your future wife and/or children get seriously sick. Or you'll have to worry about high taxes. Or getting cancer from too many UV rays.

I admire that you're so passionate about your country's ills but do give it serious thought before you go. Once you're prepared for what you're leaving behind and what awaits you then go ahead and move. In the mean time...join a commune or something. Hook up with hippies and grow your own food, live off the land and smoke all the weed you want. Every couple of months you can drive the VW Bus down to D.C. and protest over the wars. It won't affect foreign policy but you'll feel less bad if you're trying to do something about it.

There. I've only insulted half the world.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:30 pm
Post Re: The best place to move if you hate your government?
Hmmm, thanks for the info Ed. I have a lot to mull over...

If the IRA flared up, I'd probably join them. :lol:

Is there really an epidemic of diabetes in the third world? Type-1 or type-2? I haven't heard about it. Seems unlikely that there would be an epidemic of type-2 considering third world countries are more likely to have starving people than fatasses.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:48 pm
Post Re: The best place to move if you hate your government?
How about Japan or Thailand, anyone on here visited there?


Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:01 pm
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Vexer wrote:
How about Japan or Thailand, anyone on here visited there?


Haven't been (obviously) but Japan seems like a really cool place. Not sure if I'd want to live there but it's certainly on my list of places to see before I die.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:06 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
I pay attention to tech news and I can't really stand what Australia is doing. They're going the nanny-state route by censoring things they don't like on the Internet.

They’re trying to, but with the Liberals and Greens opposing it, I doubt it’s going to happen.

ed_metal_head wrote:
All Australians will hate me for repeating this but a guy who went said that when you're in Australia you have to shit your pants so the flies stay off your face. I'm certain that he's grossly exaggerating things but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Depends on where you go. I had to deal with an insane amount of flies when I lived up north, but they're a rare occurrence where I live now. Australia doesn't have the same climate throughout ya know.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:18 pm
Post Re: The best place to move if you hate your government?
Connecticut is a cool place to live.


Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:32 pm
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spencerworth34 wrote:
Connecticut is a cool place to live.


You must be smoking some really good shit if you believe that LMAO.

Connecticut sucks, no offense.

I have nothing but contempt for that state.

I work in Greenwich, and I hate everything about it. Before anyone says anything (about me working in a place I hate), I work for my aunt and uncle, who own both a party production design firm thingy and operate a coffee truck route that goes around to all the construction sites. Working the coffee trucks is fun because I get to meet a lot of people from around the world (migrant workers) and it's pretty much how I learned spanish, but it's also extremely demoralizing. You haven't seen greed until you've been to Greenwich. Probably would fill most people with envy, but it just disgusts me.

There's one guy whose mansion I had to go to on the coffee truck route. He has 89 fucking cars, and underground garage for them, a full-sized tennis complex with kitchen, and the staff house is like 5x bigger than my house. He's some sort of hedge fund guy. I just can't fathom having all that fucking money and spending so much of it on vanity. He probably could single-handedly end world hunger himself. Lord knows how many people's lives he screwed over to get where he is. I don't want it to sound like being rich is a crime, but this is way beyond that.

And these are the people that are idolized in this country, as if wealth determines a persons worth (figuratively...)

I know Greenwich is only one place in CT, but I've been all around the state and I can honestly say it's not a very cool place. In my humble opinion, of course. But I'm sure since you live there that you probably are more familiar with the better aspects of it, so I'll acknowledge that I'm probably ignorant of the hot-spots and cooler places.

And just incase people think I'm a hypocrite, I do a lot of volunteer work (mostly at homeless shelters) and have organized fundraisers for certain charities. And if I ever get rich, my plan is to give most of my money away (though I will buy myself a nice house somewhere...)


Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:54 pm
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Timmy Shoes wrote:
spencerworth34 wrote:
Connecticut is a cool place to live.


You must be smoking some really good shit if you believe that LMAO.

Connecticut sucks, no offense.

I have nothing but contempt for that state.

I work in Greenwich, and I hate everything about it. Before anyone says anything (about me working in a place I hate), I work for my aunt and uncle, who own both a party production design firm thingy and operate a coffee truck route that goes around to all the construction sites. Working the coffee trucks is fun because I get to meet a lot of people from around the world (migrant workers) and it's pretty much how I learned spanish, but it's also extremely demoralizing. You haven't seen greed until you've been to Greenwich. Probably would fill most people with envy, but it just disgusts me.

There's one guy whose mansion I had to go to on the coffee truck route. He has 89 fucking cars, and underground garage for them, a full-sized tennis complex with kitchen, and the staff house is like 5x bigger than my house. He's some sort of hedge fund guy. I just can't fathom having all that fucking money and spending so much of it on vanity. He probably could single-handedly end world hunger himself. Lord knows how many people's lives he screwed over to get where he is. I don't want it to sound like being rich is a crime, but this is way beyond that.

And these are the people that are idolized in this country, as if wealth determines a persons worth (figuratively...)

I know Greenwich is only one place in CT, but I've been all around the state and I can honestly say it's not a very cool place. In my humble opinion, of course. But I'm sure since you live there that you probably are more familiar with the better aspects of it, so I'll acknowledge that I'm probably ignorant of the hot-spots and cooler places.

And just incase people think I'm a hypocrite, I do a lot of volunteer work (mostly at homeless shelters) and have organized fundraisers for certain charities. And if I ever get rich, my plan is to give most of my money away (though I will buy myself a nice house somewhere...)



Well Greenwich is one of the wealthiest places in the entire world. I live in Avon, which is outside of Hartford. Its also pretty wealthy but not on Greenwiches level. But yeah its a state filled with people obsessed with money. I went to Avon Old Farms, which is a relatively famous private high school, and its full of these preppy kids who summer on the Vinyard and Nantucket and what not.

You may think these kinds of people are greedy. But only people with no money claim that money isn't everything.


Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:33 am
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spencerworth34 wrote:
You may think these kinds of people are greedy. But only people with no money claim that money isn't everything.


It's greed on steroids. And that statement is wrong; there are people who are monetarily wealthy who openly admit that money isn't everything.

I myself come from an upper middle class family and still believe that money is the root of all evil. I've been blessed to be born into a privileged life, but I don't feel like I deserve it.

And furthermore anyone who actually believes money IS everything is nothing short of a fool.

How many people do you think would choose love over money?

How many people have sacrificed their human soul for the sake of vast profit?

There are things in life money can't buy, and they are infinitely more valuable than earthly possessions.

Also, "it's a state filled with people obsessed with money" should read "it's a state filled with douche bags"


Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:04 am
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Moreover, it's the love of money that's caused our (the United States') political system to go on a downward spiral into the abyss. Money isn't everything, but it is destructive.

I'm late to the show on this comment, but,

Shade wrote:
there is lots of good culture, it just has to be sought out -- and it's certainly not found in SoHo with the wire-rimmed glasses crowd.


For the record, most of those yuppie hipster douche bags aren't actual New Yorkers. 90% migrated from middle-America or somewhere else. And I might be a progressive elitist asshole, but a lot of the cultural trends that I find so egregiously horrible are usually originated in middle-America. At least that's the conclusion I've drawn from my personal experiences in our country's so called "heartland."


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Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:13 am
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Vexer wrote:
How about Japan or Thailand, anyone on here visited there?


I had a Japanese girlfriend many years ago
I have also been to Japan many times and my current girlfriend lived there for a year
It's a wonderful country, and insanely rich culture. I love to visit but am not sure I can live there
That said i have only really experienced Tokyo and Osaka
The people are lovely
Rob


Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:20 am
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Robert Holloway wrote:
Vexer wrote:
How about Japan or Thailand, anyone on here visited there?


I had a Japanese girlfriend many years ago
I have also been to Japan many times and my current girlfriend lived there for a year
It's a wonderful country, and insanely rich culture. I love to visit but am not sure I can live there
That said i have only really experienced Tokyo and Osaka
The people are lovely
Rob


Aside from the widely accepted pedophilia (or so I've heard, might be exaggerated or not true at all...), I'd agree that the Japanese have an extremely rich culture. All of my friends who have been there said it's incredible. I've also heard they put a lot of emphasis on education, which is something else that appeals to me.

It'd be nice to live in a place that doesn't take money away from schools so they can keep their wars going and bail out irresponsible corporate companies.


Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:33 am
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Timmy Shoes wrote:
Robert Holloway wrote:
Vexer wrote:
How about Japan or Thailand, anyone on here visited there?


I had a Japanese girlfriend many years ago
I have also been to Japan many times and my current girlfriend lived there for a year
It's a wonderful country, and insanely rich culture. I love to visit but am not sure I can live there
That said i have only really experienced Tokyo and Osaka
The people are lovely
Rob


Aside from the widely accepted pedophilia (or so I've heard, might be exaggerated or not true at all...), I'd agree that the Japanese have an extremely rich culture. All of my friends who have been there said it's incredible. I've also heard they put a lot of emphasis on education, which is something else that appeals to me.

It'd be nice to live in a place that doesn't take money away from schools so they can keep their wars going and bail out irresponsible corporate companies.



Main issue for me is the outrageous cost of living and the barrier created by language and kanji
Rob


Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:02 am
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