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I Don't Know How Many Basketball Fans We Have Here, But... 
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Shade wrote:
Is it weird that a huge part of my excitement is simply to be able to talk this stuff with you fellas again? I vote no!! I love you all.


Indeed. Like the Pete-bear I'm hoping for all the dudes to jump back in: spencer, firefly, pig_nash (do you guys still lurk? guys?). We'll need some numbers if I'm to whoop Pete's butt in fantasy.

Shade wrote:
And if this all works out, the blessed return of the amnesty clause!!


Have you read about the amnesty clause? I don't have a clear idea yet but it does not at all sound like what most folks expected. Teams under the cap will have first shot at any waived player and whichever team offers the most gets that player (without a player right of refusal). Seems a little harsh for someone to get waived and then end up in a situation where they'd be unhappy. We could end up with Brandon Roy in Minnesota or Charlotte.

PeachyPete wrote:
Now, amnesty clause the shit out of Rashard Lewis!!!!!!!


This made me giggle because the last thing I read was a Washington blog giving the reasons that Lewis might not be waived at all. Teams need to spend at least 85% of the cap (up from 75%). If the Wiz waive Lewis they'll have to find a way to spend $31 million on players. Don't you guys sort of hope that Lewis stays for another season just to torment Petey? I'm getting a bit of the old schadenfreude ;)

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/11/26/2587953/nba-lockout-rashard-lewis-the-amnesty-clause-and-the-new-salary-floor

Also: Overseas players! What happens to them? I'm sure most will be released to re-join their teams but I wager that not all of them will get to leave. At least not right away. We could see some weakened rosters in a season where teams will be playing a bunch of triple headers.

Now let's sign this shit and get started with free agency. I'm excited!


Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:50 pm
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PeachyPete wrote:
I got a text at 6am on Saturday morning from a fellow Wizards fan


Wait, there are Wizard fans other than you? ;)

PeachyPete wrote:
Now, amnesty clause the shit out of Rashard Lewis!!!!!!!


All day long.

ed_metal_head wrote:
Have you read about the amnesty clause? I don't have a clear idea yet but it does not at all sound like what most folks expected. Teams under the cap will have first shot at any waived player and whichever team offers the most gets that player (without a player right of refusal). Seems a little harsh for someone to get waived and then end up in a situation where they'd be unhappy. We could end up with Brandon Roy in Minnesota or Charlotte.


Yeah it will be weird. I'm just happy that teams can unload bad deals.

ed_metal_head wrote:
Also: Overseas players! What happens to them? I'm sure most will be released to re-join their teams but I wager that not all of them will get to leave. At least not right away. We could see some weakened rosters in a season where teams will be playing a bunch of triple headers.


All the Chinese league players have to stay there for the year. That means Kenyon Martin, JR Smith, and most of the rest of the Nuggets who all seemed to sign there. Others have made this point, but DWill probably worked things out the best for himself: got paid a lot, played awesome, gets to come home. Still has to play for the Nets, but still.

I'm so pumped...


Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:53 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Indeed. Like the Pete-bear I'm hoping for all the dudes to jump back in: spencer, firefly, pig_nash (do you guys still lurk? guys?). We'll need some numbers if I'm to whoop Pete's butt in fantasy.


I'm the king of the auction league! John Wall will lead to me victory once again!

ed_metal_head wrote:
This made me giggle because the last thing I read was a Washington blog giving the reasons that Lewis might not be waived at all. Teams need to spend at least 85% of the cap (up from 75%). If the Wiz waive Lewis they'll have to find a way to spend $31 million on players. Don't you guys sort of hope that Lewis stays for another season just to torment Petey? I'm getting a bit of the old schadenfreude ;)

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/11/26/2587953/nba-lockout-rashard-lewis-the-amnesty-clause-and-the-new-salary-floor


Thanks for the link. That's actually a very good case for keeping him. Still, I'm torn. The Wizards' ceiling right now is probably sneaking into the playoffs as an 8 seed (and I'm talking an 8 seed with 35 or so wins) and getting blasted by the Heat or the Bulls. There's no real reason for the team to attach themselves to anyone in the long term right now outside of Wall, and especially not any of this year's FAs. Getting rid of Lewis would cause them to have to do that. However, it's also worth mentioning that we don't know who will also be amnestied yet. There could be a lot of quality players available that could be had pretty cheap. That said, if it works how Ed said, that's a moot point. Teams won't be competing for those guys unless the clear waivers.

Clearly, I'm trying to convince myself that we should get rid of the guy. I just don't want to have to watch one of my least favorite players ever play horribly for my favorite team for another year. I think I'm usually pretty objective, but this is a case where it's tough. I just dislike him as a player so strongly. Some of the comments in that article talk about how valuable of a trade chip his expring deal will be next year. That makes sense, but the concept of trading expiring deals is only valuable if a team needs cap space. With the amnesty clause this year and all the fuss during the lockout about owners handing out terrible deals, I have a really hard time believing a team is going to be back in salary cap hell as soon as next year. I think it significantly lowers the value of Lewis' gigantic expiring deal.

Shade wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
I got a text at 6am on Saturday morning from a fellow Wizards fan


Wait, there are Wizard fans other than you? ;)


We're a tight knit group...probably because there are so few of us.

Shade wrote:
All the Chinese league players have to stay there for the year. That means Kenyon Martin, JR Smith, and most of the rest of the Nuggets who all seemed to sign there. Others have made this point, but DWill probably worked things out the best for himself: got paid a lot, played awesome, gets to come home. Still has to play for the Nets, but still.

I'm so pumped...


Good points by both of you guys on the overseas players. Apparently, JR Smith is being one of the biggest dickheads imaginable over there. I'm sure that surprises no one, but its still kind of annoying. Wilson Chandler is scoring 33 points a game and dominating the league and they say he's had the fewest issues out of any of those guys. Good for him, I always liked him as a player, so its nice to see he's going about his business like a professional. They signed those deals and knew it was a year long thing even if the lockout ended. I don't see why they're complaining now.


Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:32 am
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What a weird NBA-lull. I thought things would move super-quick but apparently we're in for almost no news until December 9th when the CBA begins.

Soooo...what decisions would you like to see from your NBA team?

Ideally, I'd like to see The Mavs re-sign all their free agents. Realistically, I'm not sure that this is possible. Someone will probably offer big money to Chandler (if fit, he probably deserves it) and even to Barea (I love him, but he won't deserve it). Interesting to see how far Cuban will go to re-sign these guys.


Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:56 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
Ideally, I'd like to see The Mavs re-sign all their free agents. Realistically, I'm not sure that this is possible. Someone will probably offer big money to Chandler (if fit, he probably deserves it) and even to Barea (I love him, but he won't deserve it). Interesting to see how far Cuban will go to re-sign these guys.


I just read that Barea wants to stay, but I think that unless he wants to be paid about the same as he's been paid they need to let him walk. He had a great playoffs, but so did Tyronn Lue once upon a time. I'm not saying Barea's a bust, but his style of play is neither long-term sustainable or especially reliable night-to-night. I think Chandler should take ultimate priority for them, but he seems to know that he's walking for bigger money that the Nets or Warriors will give him. As far as Butler, I've heard that he's meeting with the Bulls, which is fairly scary I think -- that's a helluva better option for them than someone like Rip Hamilton, in my mind, and would only make the league's best defensive squad even better. I think there will be some early overlooking of the Bulls because of the (somewhat fair) revisionist-history that says Rose wasn't really the MVP last year. But that's a heck of a good team.

As for my Celtics, we'll see. Apparently for some reason they want to keep Jermaine O'Neal. There's also (as usual) talk about veterans coming in, the latest being Iverson. I've always been an AI fan, but he needs the ball in his hands to be successful and that only works in Boston if he wants to lead the 2nd unit, which doesn't seem likely. He's better than Ray Allen overall, certainly, but Allen fits the mold immensely better for what the C's need. I have mixed feelings about the shortened season for them (rests their legs in terms of # of games but wears them out in terms of so many games in a short time period). They are clearly on the decline in every way and I'm not in denial on that, but I also believe that if healthy (an enormous if) they can beat anyone in a series come the spring.

It'll be amazing to see what the Heat season is like. For the most part, nothing -- and I know we all mean nothing -- matters until they get to and win the Finals. There's no excuses this year and the pressure will be on tenfold more than last year, where they truthfully did overachieve a little in some senses. But obviously given how the Finals ended, nothing matters and no one will believe anything until they win it all. I've heard that they're trying to sign Greg Oden -- which is hilarious given his history and sad because he seems like a nice guy who won't like being a villain. They also are looking at Barea, which is a classic Finals runner-up move but does make sense for them (him on the floor with the Big 2 & 1/3 would make him fairly deadly as a weapon).

Any chance Howard or CP3 gets moved anytime soon? I've read in more than one place that the Magic are already willing to move him before Christmas. Seems hasty, but if they get a good deal it's better than letting him walk. I've always liked CP3, but the trade demand is a little lame. Regardless, either he's been lazy or hurt most of the past two years, so I'm not sure he takes NY to instant contenders, even with Amar'e and Melo by his side.

Then there's Nene, Marc Gasol, David West, etc. None change a franchise, but if Nene was willing to take a paycut/not get as much as he could elsewhere, he'd be a huge asset for a lot of teams. But apparently his wife's from Denver, which maybe means he won't leave unless someone will overpay him. Gasol is restricted or else he'd be the top FA prize. He stays, at least for now. West is a classic "everyone talks about him being underrated to the point that he's now overrated" guy, but he can certainly contribute on the right team and to his credit he does seem motivated.

So pumped for the action to get rolling! One wrinkle that has been brought up a lot: teams can use the Amnesty this year or next year. We may only see a few teams use it this year given the FA crop.

Oh and also, Rubio! The Wolves team is going to be bad but will be fun to watch.

I loooooooooove this game like Kermit loves piggy porn!

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Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:21 pm
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Shade wrote:
I just read that Barea wants to stay, but I think that unless he wants to be paid about the same as he's been paid they need to let him walk. He had a great playoffs, but so did Tyronn Lue once upon a time. I'm not saying Barea's a bust, but his style of play is neither long-term sustainable or especially reliable night-to-night. I think Chandler should take ultimate priority for them, but he seems to know that he's walking for bigger money that the Nets or Warriors will give him. As far as Butler, I've heard that he's meeting with the Bulls, which is fairly scary I think -- that's a helluva better option for them than someone like Rip Hamilton, in my mind, and would only make the league's best defensive squad even better. I think there will be some early overlooking of the Bulls because of the (somewhat fair) revisionist-history that says Rose wasn't really the MVP last year. But that's a heck of a good team.


This will sound like Dirk-fanboyism but I think Barea owes a lot of those point to Dirk. If the defense collapses on Barea (which it rarely does) it leaves Nosferatu open on the outside. No defense wants to risk that so they play JJ 1-1. His speed and penetration makes a 1-1 assignment incredibly difficult for most guards though.

Butler's D would indeed be scary in Chi-town. He probably won't start though, right? Has he or Deng played much 2-guard in their careers? I can't recall either doing so. You have to wonder how much time they'd spend on the court together. In other words, I'm wondering if Butler would be willing to accept a smaller role off the bench. Or would that not be the case?

Shade wrote:
As for my Celtics, we'll see. Apparently for some reason they want to keep Jermaine O'Neal. There's also (as usual) talk about veterans coming in, the latest being Iverson. I've always been an AI fan, but he needs the ball in his hands to be successful and that only works in Boston if he wants to lead the 2nd unit, which doesn't seem likely. He's better than Ray Allen overall, certainly, but Allen fits the mold immensely better for what the C's need. I have mixed feelings about the shortened season for them (rests their legs in terms of # of games but wears them out in terms of so many games in a short time period). They are clearly on the decline in every way and I'm not in denial on that, but I also believe that if healthy (an enormous if) they can beat anyone in a series come the spring.

It'll be amazing to see what the Heat season is like. For the most part, nothing -- and I know we all mean nothing -- matters until they get to and win the Finals. There's no excuses this year and the pressure will be on tenfold more than last year, where they truthfully did overachieve a little in some senses. But obviously given how the Finals ended, nothing matters and no one will believe anything until they win it all. I've heard that they're trying to sign Greg Oden -- which is hilarious given his history and sad because he seems like a nice guy who won't like being a villain. They also are looking at Barea, which is a classic Finals runner-up move but does make sense for them (him on the floor with the Big 2 & 1/3 would make him fairly deadly as a weapon).


I suppose this means they're going to re-sign Glen Davis and Jeff Green. I understand the logic behind both (Davis has done the job before, they gave up a lot for Green and can't give up on him after half a season) but have to wonder if that's the right decision.

Shade wrote:
Any chance Howard or CP3 gets moved anytime soon? I've read in more than one place that the Magic are already willing to move him before Christmas. Seems hasty, but if they get a good deal it's better than letting him walk. I've always liked CP3, but the trade demand is a little lame. Regardless, either he's been lazy or hurt most of the past two years, so I'm not sure he takes NY to instant contenders, even with Amar'e and Melo by his side.


Grrrrr. My CP3 love is really being affected by his insistence on NY. What's up with this super-friends thing? I think a trio of Paul, Amare and Melo is an even worse fit than the MoHeatos. Paul's case is different to Lebron's. They've done a bad job and surrounded him with horrid talent. I still have no idea how he took that team to the playoffs. I'm cool with him leaving but this whole trying to force a trade to NY sucks. The Knicks have no assets that are worthy of a CP3 deal (imho Billups expiring deal barely counts given the amnesty clause). I say let him walk at the end of the year and go to the highest bidder (or to wherever he wants to go).

The only way I see Orlando trading Howard is if he's told them in confidence that he won't re-sign. You'll get really good players for him but he's pretty much irreplaceable. You only do a deal if you have to.

Shade wrote:
Oh and also, Rubio! The Wolves team is going to be bad but will be fun to watch.


Indeed. He probably shoots well below .400 but from all accounts he's going to be a really good defender. Oh, and I heard he can pass the ball okay too!

What's green, slimy, and smells like bacon?


Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:16 pm
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ed_metal_head wrote:
What's green, slimy, and smells like bacon?


:lol:


Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:45 pm
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I just typed out a whole response, only to accidentally delete it. Fuck!

Quick notes:

Barea - What Shade said, mixed with what Ed said. I think someone tries to make him a starter, and that isn't going to work.

Chandler - He wants big money, he'll get it. It's a shame because he's the perfect compliment to Dirk

Butler - He'll be 32 and is coming off of major knee surgery. He's nothing more than a mid-range jump shooter and average defender at this point, says me. I hate him for quitting on the Wiz.

CP3 - Stop being a punk, dude. You're a gamer and seemingly nice guy. You don't need to force your way to NY. You're better than that.

Howard - Trade him. The team isn't any good around him, and he's leaving after this year anyway. Get what you can for him.

Wizards - Be somewhat decent! And don't sign David West!


Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:10 am
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You guys might already be reading it, but today is Day 4 of Simmons' 12 Days of NBA Christmas series. It's virtually a State of the Union for the post-lockout NBA. It's a must read.


Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:30 am
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Just because the idea of this happening got my incredibly excited, I'm telling you guys what Simmons suggested the Wizards do while dissecting the upcoming Aaron Afflalo sweepstakes, better known as NBA Free Agency:

Bill Simmons wrote:
3. Washington
Status: $13.3 million under the cap ($34.4 million if the Wizards amnesty Rashard Lewis)
Current 2-guards: Nick Young (restricted free agent), Jordan Crawford, Joe House

Notes: Team up John Wall and Afflalo and you'd really have the makings of something. If I'm running the Wizards, it's a no-brainer: I'm doing the following three things …

A. Not using my amnesty on Lewis yet. He's still a serviceable shooter — why pay him the exact same money NOT to be on my team?

B. Offer Afflalo $50 million: $14 million in Year 1, $13 million in Year 2, $12 million in Year 3 and $11 million in Year 4. Anything lower and Denver is probably matching.

C. Get the Celtics to sign-and-trade me Jeff Green for Andray Blatche — a deal that, by the way, makes sense for Boston because Green struggled so mightily coming off the bench, and also because Blatche (a total head case, but possibly redeemable with the right veterans and the right coach) gives them young legs and some much-needed size.3 Wait until the NBA schedule comes out today — if you think this creaky Celtics squad is making it through a "seven games in nine days" stretch (and you'll see at least one on their schedule), I have some Brad Lohaus rookie cards to sell you.

Here's Washington's nucleus with those two moves (and one non-move): Wall, Afflalo, JaVale McGee, Jan Vesely, Green, Crawford and Lewis (as their vessel to a whopping amount of cap space). That's the foundation of something, right? (Waiting.) Hello? Are you there? ANSWER ME!


Seriously, please let this happen. Granted, the Blatche trade is a pipe dream, but I'd love to get him off my team. I think he's insane for wanting him in Boston, but I can understand thinking KG might be able to straighten him out. I highly doubt that would happen, but I'm all for the C's wanting to give it a try. Whatever it takes to get Blatche out of DC.

The exciting part is teaming up Afflalo with Wall. That would be the best defensive backcourt in the league in a year, and assuming Wall makes a huge leap this year (which is coming...trust me, it's coming), we'd have one of the best backcourts in the league for the next 4-5 years. The Wiz would still need to add some scoring, but Afflalo would be a hell of a piece.

That said, I'm pretty sure the Wiz are going to match whatever idiotic offer Nick Young gets from some dumb team and show little interest in Afflalo. Those 2 guys are the same age and Afflalo is, by far, the better player. It makes too much sense for the Wiz to go after him. They'll overvalue the one dimensional scorer and let a really good opportunity to legitimately further the rebuilding process pass them by. I'm already pissed off about this whole scenario.


Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:19 pm
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ram1312 wrote:
ed_metal_head wrote:
What's green, slimy, and smells like bacon?


:lol:


Dude, I totally stole that joke from Hesher. Sweet flick. Check it out when you have the time.

PeachyPete wrote:
That said, I'm pretty sure the Wiz are going to match whatever idiotic offer Nick Young gets from some dumb team and show little interest in Afflalo. Those 2 guys are the same age and Afflalo is, by far, the better player. It makes too much sense for the Wiz to go after him. They'll overvalue the one dimensional scorer and let a really good opportunity to legitimately further the rebuilding process pass them by. I'm already pissed off about this whole scenario.


That proposed deal does in fact sound pretty sweet. You'd probably be overpaying Afflalo but you'd much rather overpay him than Young. You've obviously seen a lot more of Young than I have but I think even calling him a "scorer" is generous. He struck me as someone who was chucking in a contract year in order to get a good deal. Can't see him putting up anything close to those numbers.

You know what I'm excited for? Breaking down the first Laker game. Why? So I can say "Dudes, did you see the way Metta World Peace locked that guy down?"


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T.J. Ford to the Spurs, via his Twitter.

Caron Butler says the Spurs are the favorites to land him as of now.

Very good news! Love both players, Ford was so good back in the day. He is definitely not the same player but he will be a good mentor to Cory Joseph, who the Spurs drafted in the 1st round and is probably not ready to play quite just yet.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Chuck Hayes 4 year/20 million dollar contract offer from the Kings. I don't get it.

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DunkinDan89 wrote:
T.J. Ford to the Spurs, via his Twitter.

Caron Butler says the Spurs are the favorites to land him as of now.

Very good news! Love both players, Ford was so good back in the day. He is definitely not the same player but he will be a good mentor to Cory Joseph, who the Spurs drafted in the 1st round and is probably not ready to play quite just yet.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Chuck Hayes 4 year/20 million dollar contract offer from the Kings. I don't get it.


It looks like Butler is going to the Clippers at 3 years/$24 million. Solid signing by them, even if Caron is being overvalued by the entire league. The Clips needed another wing to go along with Eric Gordon.

As for Hayes, he's a solid, undersized guy. He's very efficient. The average salary for an NBA player is somewhere around $5 million a year. Hayes is a little better than average. That's how I look at it. Plus, teams under the cap have to spend money to meet the salary floor. The Kings aren't attracting big names, so they have to spend their cap money somewhere.

So, Tyson Chandler is close to signing with the Knicks. The rumor is that NY is using their amnesty clause on Chauncey to make room for Chandler, and then possibly use Amare in a trade for Chris Paul! Insane! That's a GREAT move for NY, but would New Orleans do it? As Simmons said, "If I'm New Orleans, I'm passing on the chance to trade CP3 for four years and $83.5 million of an unhappy Amare + Amare's knees. Thanks but no thanks."

The Knicks would be a top 3 team in the East with CP3, Melo, and Chandler, assuming they play a shred of defense.


Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:04 pm
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DunkinDan89 wrote:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Chuck Hayes 4 year/20 million dollar contract offer from the Kings. I don't get it.


Yeah, they overpaid but I agree with what Petey said. The new salary ceiling is weird. A team like the Kings actually has to spend big. Given that they're not currently the most desirable franchise and that the free agent crop isn't that good this season it looks like we're going to see a bunch of mid-level talent get overpaid. Which is kind of the reason we had a lockout anyway...

PeachyPete wrote:
It looks like Butler is going to the Clippers at 3 years/$24 million. Solid signing by them, even if Caron is being overvalued by the entire league. The Clips needed another wing to go along with Eric Gordon.


I'd say that was a touch risky. He's coming off an awful injury and isn't all that young. He was playing quite well last season but the season before that I seem to remember him shooting below .400 most of the time. Still a top defender though.

PeachyPete wrote:
So, Tyson Chandler is close to signing with the Knicks. The rumor is that NY is using their amnesty clause on Chauncey to make room for Chandler, and then possibly use Amare in a trade for Chris Paul! Insane! That's a GREAT move for NY, but would New Orleans do it? As Simmons said, "If I'm New Orleans, I'm passing on the chance to trade CP3 for four years and $83.5 million of an unhappy Amare + Amare's knees. Thanks but no thanks."

The Knicks would be a top 3 team in the East with CP3, Melo, and Chandler, assuming they play a shred of defense.


I've only just gotten the chance to read hoops news and the latest is that CP3 is poised to go to the Lakers (damn you, ram1312). More on that in a second. CP3, Melo and Chandler would absolutely be a massive upgrade for NY and I'm sure that 2 out of those 3 players would play defense. Elite defense too, potentially.

Sounds like that deal might be dead though. I don't want to see CP3 in NY but have to admit that I literally laughed out loud when I read that NY would trade Amare. Funny how quick they'd be willing to give up the (former?) face of the franchise.

A trio of Melo, Amare and Chandler would be an upgrade over the current lineup too. Melo and Amare still need too much of the ball but Chandler doesn't need much touches. They could have a beastly inside defense with him. Amare isn't good at guarding his man, but he's athletic enough to get the big swat. Basically, he could guard an area and go up for blocks while Chandler plays man-to-man. Still not a Championship calibre team though.

So, the latest proposed deal is CP3 to LAL. The Lakers send Odom to the Hornets and Gasol to the Rockets. The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Goran Dragic to Hornets. You'll never get parity for CP3 but they're basically getting 3 really good starters and a backup PG with potential in return. They could end up with a starting 5 of Jarret Jack/Dragic, Kevin Martin, Ariza, Odom, Scola. That's not necessarily how it'll play out, but not bad. Thoughts? Obviously you keep Paul if you can, but I'm not sure New Orleans can do better.

Also: Heat get Shane Battier. Lame. I like him. They also signing Eddy Curry. Yes, really! I laughed! But then they're getting him for the minimum. He probably doesn't play, but I suppose it's a low risk/high reward signing. Or not.

Also, also: The Cavs are set to amnesty Baron Davis. Probably the best player who will be amnestied? I can see why they'd do it. Sessions was putting up excellent numbers last year and they drafted Irving as the long term future of the franchise. Boom-dizzle is a player I dig though. Let's hope he doesn't show up 100 pounds overweight again this season. He's truly one the elite players in the league IF he could stay in shape and give his all. Too bad that he rarely does either.


Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:12 pm
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The nixing of the CP3 trade is one of the most ridiculous sports related things I've ever seen. First of all, it’s a fair trade. Second, even if it wasn’t, who cares? The NBA’s job isn’t to safeguard against teams making terrible decisions. If you get crushed in a trade, that’s on your team and GM (and again, that wasn’t even the case here). The NBA can give all the vague justifications they want (basketball reasons, upsetting competitive balance) - the bottom line here is that since the league owns the Hornets for now, the other owners didn’t want to have to pay more money (Hornets took on salary in the deal) for a squad that’s losing it’s number one drawing card. It didn’t matter to them that the team was attempting to rebuild for the future, that they’re getting pretty good value for CP3, and that it would have been in a much better spot than it will be after this season when CP3 walks. They didn’t want to pay more money this season for a team that people aren’t going to pay to watch without CP3. So, the team is going to be way worse after this season when they lose Paul and don’t have the pieces they would have had the trade gone through. People may still come watch this season, but next season, when Paul walks for NOTHING, seats will be empty! To boot, no players will want to go play for a small market team with a bunch of nobodies and they’ll have a salary floor to meet so they’ll overpay guys who don’t deserve money. With Odom, Kevin Martin, and Scola they'd at least have a shot at luring big names or trading for them. They’ll either move or go bankrupt. Way to be incredibly short-sighted, NBA owners. Of course, I guess the future of the team isn’t really their concern since someone’s going to buy the team eventually. By the time the long-term repercussions of this deal are felt, the other NBA owners won’t own the team anymore. It’s a fucking joke.


Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:18 am
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PeachyPete wrote:
The nixing of the CP3 trade is one of the most ridiculous sports related things I've ever seen. First of all, it’s a fair trade. Second, even if it wasn’t, who cares? The NBA’s job isn’t to safeguard against teams making terrible decisions. If you get crushed in a trade, that’s on your team and GM (and again, that wasn’t even the case here). The NBA can give all the vague justifications they want (basketball reasons, upsetting competitive balance) - the bottom line here is that since the league owns the Hornets for now, the other owners didn’t want to have to pay more money (Hornets took on salary in the deal) for a squad that’s losing it’s number one drawing card. It didn’t matter to them that the team was attempting to rebuild for the future, that they’re getting pretty good value for CP3, and that it would have been in a much better spot than it will be after this season when CP3 walks. They didn’t want to pay more money this season for a team that people aren’t going to pay to watch without CP3. So, the team is going to be way worse after this season when they lose Paul and don’t have the pieces they would have had the trade gone through. People may still come watch this season, but next season, when Paul walks for NOTHING, seats will be empty! To boot, no players will want to go play for a small market team with a bunch of nobodies and they’ll have a salary floor to meet so they’ll overpay guys who don’t deserve money. With Odom, Kevin Martin, and Scola they'd at least have a shot at luring big names or trading for them. They’ll either move or go bankrupt. Way to be incredibly short-sighted, NBA owners. Of course, I guess the future of the team isn’t really their concern since someone’s going to buy the team eventually. By the time the long-term repercussions of this deal are felt, the other NBA owners won’t own the team anymore. It’s a fucking joke.


Agree with all of this. Either they hand off a lousy situation to a new owner, or they contract the team by saying "look, they suck so bad!" even though they didn't let them make a trade. Absurd.

A sad day with Brandon Roy. Really could have been a special player and had some special games. Awesome to see that he's walking away now rather than play a little for a different team. That city and that team will keep him in the fold forever, as they should.


Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:06 pm
Post Re: I Don't Know How Many Basketball Fans We Have Here, But...
Sorry, more thoughts about Roy...remember when he looked like he could be top-5 player material? Not to mention that he just felt like the type of player who could have and would have wanted to play forever if his body would let him. Sad day.

Also...did you guys see Dan Gilbert's letter regarding the nixed trade?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... ade_120811

I almost feel bad for out of touch with the real world the guy is. He's the primary reason why the world will eventually love Lebron again.


Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:16 pm
Post Re: I Don't Know How Many Basketball Fans We Have Here, But...
ed_metal_head wrote:
...it looks like we're going to see a bunch of mid-level talent get overpaid. Which is kind of the reason we had a lockout anyway...


I forgot to chime in on this the other day when I went on my mini anti-Stern/the owners tirade. I'd say this is exactly why we had a lockout. Teams were losing money and the biggest reason why was because they continued to overpay players who didn't deserve the money. I don't think Hayes qualifies in this scenario (but Caron Butler does, and Tyson Chandler, and Deandre Jordan, etc.), but I think the overall point remains intact. How fucking stupid can NBA owners/GMs be? A salary floor certainly doesn't help matters in this regard. It essentially forces small market clubs to overspend for guys who don't deserve the money. I'm confused as to how that helps things.

Shade wrote:
Sorry, more thoughts about Roy...remember when he looked like he could be top-5 player material? Not to mention that he just felt like the type of player who could have and would have wanted to play forever if his body would let him. Sad day.


Agreed with these thoughts. He was a guy that seemed to genuinely get it and loved playing basketball. There's no other way around it - it just sucks. His decision to retire is something I'll always respect.

Shade wrote:
Also...did you guys see Dan Gilbert's letter regarding the nixed trade?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... ade_120811

I almost feel bad for out of touch with the real world the guy is. He's the primary reason why the world will eventually love Lebron again.


Haha. That guy is a whiney little fuck. I'd like to punch him square in the mouth. At least he stepped up from Comic Sans, though.

So, the latest news is that CP3 is going to the Clippers for Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, Minnesota's first rounder in 2012's draft, and possibly Eric Bledsoe. I love CP3 as much as anyone, but that's A LOT to give up. Gordon's the best young guard in the game, and the first rounder is a likely top 5 pick in one of the most loaded drafts we've ever seen. Kaman is just cap fodder. Aminu and Bledsoe both look like solid rotation guys that should stick around for a while. That's a ton to give up even if CP3 couldn't walk at the end of the year. Given his injury history and the fact that he can, indeed walk, and it's a HUGE risk for the Clip Show. Thoughts?

Also, Odom to the Mavs! Nice move by them even if they're much worse off defensively. They were going to be anyway without Chandler. At least now they have a proven, championship caliber player to help replace him. They should be able to keep 2 out of 3 of Dirk, Odom, and Marion on the floor at all times this season. That isn't exactly they most youthful group of forwards, but it might be the best.


Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:41 am
Post Re: I Don't Know How Many Basketball Fans We Have Here, But...
PeachyPete wrote:
So, the latest news is that CP3 is going to the Clippers for Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, Minnesota's first rounder in 2012's draft, and possibly Eric Bledsoe. I love CP3 as much as anyone, but that's A LOT to give up. Gordon's the best young guard in the game, and the first rounder is a likely top 5 pick in one of the most loaded drafts we've ever seen. Kaman is just cap fodder. Aminu and Bledsoe both look like solid rotation guys that should stick around for a while. That's a ton to give up even if CP3 couldn't walk at the end of the year. Given his injury history and the fact that he can, indeed walk, and it's a HUGE risk for the Clip Show. Thoughts?


I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I think the Clips had to at least try to make this deal. I love Gordon as much as anyone, but does he ever become a franchise player? I'm not sure. It's not impossible, but would you want to bet on it? This is their year they could possibly be better than the Lakers, and they had to do something to entice Griffin to stay, at the very least by showing him that they do want to win now. Perhaps CP3 loves being the man in LA and stays, they add some pieces...could be special.

The Hornets do outstanding with this. As you said, that Minny pick is essential.

PeachyPete wrote:
Also, Odom to the Mavs! Nice move by them even if they're much worse off defensively. They were going to be anyway without Chandler. At least now they have a proven, championship caliber player to help replace him. They should be able to keep 2 out of 3 of Dirk, Odom, and Marion on the floor at all times this season. That isn't exactly they most youthful group of forwards, but it might be the best.


I agree. Great for the Mavs.

Going to be such an interesting couple weeks before Christmas...I mean, have you SEEN the Lakers roster right now? Not to mention the teams that have like 7 guys under contract. Perhaps they'll hold open tryouts. It might be rather ugly at first, to say the least -- yet another reason the Clips could jump ahead of the Lakers early.


Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:32 pm
Post Re: I Don't Know How Many Basketball Fans We Have Here, But...
Shade wrote:
PeachyPete wrote:
I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I think the Clips had to at least try to make this deal. I love Gordon as much as anyone, but does he ever become a franchise player? I'm not sure. It's not impossible, but would you want to bet on it? This is their year they could possibly be better than the Lakers, and they had to do something to entice Griffin to stay, at the very least by showing him that they do want to win now. Perhaps CP3 loves being the man in LA and stays, they add some pieces...could be special.

The Hornets do outstanding with this. As you said, that Minny pick is essential.


Well, that deal is dead too. Chris Paul - the most difficult guy to trade. Ever.

Good points though and I didn't hate the trade, just thought it was a steep price to pay. Apparently, the Clips didn't want to part with Minny's pick AND Gordon, which I think is fair. The Hornets should pick one or the other, along with everything else. That seems like a fair price for a guy you have to trade.

Sooooo, what now?


Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:39 pm
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