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April 14, 2011: "The 2011 Nudity Column" 
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:23 pm
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It seems to me that, as nudity becomes less of a draw (because it's trivially available elsewhere), we can possibly hope to see it only used where it makes some sense - if the glimpse of stocking won't bring in the teenage boys and more, there's no point in paying extra to bring it into the film unless it actually makes the film better - the same calculation one might apply to any other extra-cost film-making option.

I've been saying for some years that "if I wanted porn, I'd be watching porn". Perhaps we can even hope - unlikely, I realise - for an end to the L-shaped sheet...


Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:01 pm
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Firedrake wrote:
I've been saying for some years that "if I wanted porn, I'd be watching porn".


I can't tell you how many times I've said that sentence. I'm no prude, but nudity in Hollywood movies is almost always gratuitous in one way or another, and in most cases it's almost entirely unnecessary. I mean, the turning point of When Harry Met Sally is (SPOILER ALERT) when they have sex, but they didn't need to show it for the viewer to know it happened.

These days it seems to show more often in comedies geared towards adults. Role Models, Harold & Kumar II, Forgetting Sarah Marshall all have at least one scene with a naked woman (or women) that the movie wouldn't really have been any different without.

I mean, of course there are movies that, for reasons of story and/or context, do require the occasional nude scene, and I don't think that's wrong. A movie like Boogie Nights wouldn't have felt genuine without a blase attitude towards nudity. I don't think Fatal Attraction would have been as good without Glenn Close's commitment to such a crazy character, and the nudity in that film, which centers around a torrid love affair, seems right in place. Jodie Foster's horrifying rape scene in The Accused, Thora Birch conquering her insecurity in American Beauty, Mozart's wife (Elizabeth Berridge) strips down for Salieri only to be humiliated by him in the Director's Cut of Amadeus... all arguably necessary, and all within the context of the story being told.

But I think some movies think they're being "real" and try to justify it when it's not actually necessary. I liked Choke, but Gillian Jacobs didn't really need to be naked during her scene (yes, I know she was a stripper, but the main characters being in the strip club talking to the girl onstage would've been enough to convey the idea... she could've had a top on). In Rain Man, for no discernible reason whatsoever, Tom Cruise's girlfriend (Valeria Golina?) is sitting naked in the bathtub while they talk.

One other point -- if it's successfully being used for the sake of humor, fine. But, if that's the case, male nudity is usually the variety that's mined for comedy, because in most cases, it's funny without being titillating. I doubt many women got turned on by seeing Will Ferrell's naked ass in Old School, and The Full Monty has a ton of funny scenes with man-ass at the center. On the flip side, a naked female, even if it's played for humor, usually can't ever really be just funny without also being titillating to some extent (exception: Kathy Bates in About Schmidt, unless... ya know... you're in to that kind of thing).

In American Pie, Shannon Elizabeth's whole webcam scene is at the center of a series of funny events, but in the end, there's still a smokin' hot naked chick onscreen for like five minutes. In Mallrats, the topless psychic scene is actually pretty funny, but Priscilla Barnes still has a pretty nice rack that they show ad nauseum (albeit with an extra fake nipple attached, which they make sure to detach by the end of the scene). The only example of female nudity successfully played for only humor that I can think of isn't even real -- the scene in Knocked Up where the baby's half way out of Katherine Heigl's fake lady parts.


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A nice contrast between gratuitous and non-gratuitous nudity both involve Halle Berry. The one in Swordfish is gratuitous and lame. However, her nude scene in Monster's Ball is essential to the movie.

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Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:06 pm
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I don't know who would want to "read" Playboy these days. It's mostly silicone and unnatural-looking, glossy, digitized skin. I know its photos have never been absolutely untouched, but they've gone too far. If you can make me shrug at a Kelly Brook nude spread, you're doing something wrong.


Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:16 pm
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I've never read any nudie magazines in my life, and with the internet i've really got no need. I live in an unincorporated area so there were several adult video stores and a strip club there, unfortunately the club and all but one of the video stores closed down before I had a chance to go to any of them, the one store that's still open is right down the road from where I live, i've been there before, but I plan to visit there real soon. As for nudity in films, I couldn't care less about whether it's essential to the plot or not, you'll NEVER hear me complain about a female nude scene in a film, not even Bates, her scene wasn't a turn-on but it didn't repulse me either, it just made me shrug in indifference.


Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:49 pm
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I'm sure that the increasing marginalization of publications like Playboy is of little surprise to most of us. After all, it can all be summed up in two words: Internet porn. It's plentiful, it's free (check out sites like RedTube to see what I'm talking about), and it's virtually impossible to censor for a parent (even if successful at home, a kid can just go to a friend's place and/or hit an internet cafe that doesn't censor its content). It's not that I believe in censorship anyway, since it's a by-product of prudish religious thinking.

Anyway, if I want to see an actress nude, there are a zillion sites dedicated to showing these pics. Quite frankly, I don't find many A-list actresses attractive enough for that purpose anyway.


Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:39 pm
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Apparently the upcoming new NBC show, The Playboy Club, the actors have clauses that means they may be doing nude and sex scenes. Obviously, the scenes wouldn't be shown on network tv but would air in other countries.


Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:46 am
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Each and every movie has gratuitous something, a scene that can be cut without loss of meaning. Why don't we bitch about those gratuitous scenes? There is an extremely stupid assumption that nudity is wrong, harmful and demeaning to the performer, like "that poor little thing" was tortured for hours and forced to show the precious (like no one else has it) bits of their anatomy. Gratuitous boredom is bad, gratuious nudity ranges neutral to excellent.


Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:15 am
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Quote:
"Nakedness reveals itself. Nudity is placed on display. The nude is condemned to never being naked. Nudity is a form of dress." - John Berger


Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:44 pm
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Pre internet, I earned pocket money in the mid 1960's doing paper rounds in the UK. In my bag were loads of newspapers with endless T&A magazines inserted fro various households. i used to take out the occasional magazine take it home and deliver it the next day

nobody knew the exact date of publication, it was easy and my first experience with the female nude.

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Ragnarok73 wrote:
I'm sure that the increasing marginalization of publications like Playboy is of little surprise to most of us. After all, it can all be summed up in two words: Internet porn. It's plentiful, it's free (check out sites like RedTube to see what I'm talking about), and it's virtually impossible to censor for a parent (even if successful at home, a kid can just go to a friend's place and/or hit an internet cafe that doesn't censor its content). It's not that I believe in censorship anyway, since it's a by-product of prudish religious thinking.

Anyway, if I want to see an actress nude, there are a zillion sites dedicated to showing these pics. Quite frankly, I don't find many A-list actresses attractive enough for that purpose anyway.


Agreed. If you still watch/rent movies purely to see some nudity, you probably don't have a computer. :| Of course, there are a few occasions for me where the actress in question has such jaw-droppingly exquisite lady parts that a red-blooded hetero male almost can't help but go from zero-to-horny in seconds flat (Uma Thurman's tits in "Dangerous Liaisons;" Heather Graham's and Ludivine Sagnier's entire bodies in "Boogie Nights" and "Swimming Pool," respectively, etc.) :oops: , but those are extremely rare.


Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:14 pm
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H.I. McDonough wrote:
Ragnarok73 wrote:
I'm sure that the increasing marginalization of publications like Playboy is of little surprise to most of us. After all, it can all be summed up in two words: Internet porn. It's plentiful, it's free (check out sites like RedTube to see what I'm talking about), and it's virtually impossible to censor for a parent (even if successful at home, a kid can just go to a friend's place and/or hit an internet cafe that doesn't censor its content). It's not that I believe in censorship anyway, since it's a by-product of prudish religious thinking.

Anyway, if I want to see an actress nude, there are a zillion sites dedicated to showing these pics. Quite frankly, I don't find many A-list actresses attractive enough for that purpose anyway.


Agreed. If you still watch/rent movies purely to see some nudity, you probably don't have a computer. :| Of course, there are a few occasions for me where the actress in question has such jaw-droppingly exquisite lady parts that a red-blooded hetero male almost can't help but go from zero-to-horny in seconds flat (Uma Thurman's tits in "Dangerous Liaisons;" Heather Graham's and Ludivine Sagnier's entire bodies in "Boogie Nights" and "Swimming Pool," respectively, etc.) :oops: , but those are extremely rare.

For me, the main Hollywood actress (or next closest thing) that I find attractive in the nude is Alice Eve, because she's got amazing tits. Check out the film Crossing Over to see ample evidence of this.


Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:34 pm
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Ragnarok73 wrote:
For me, the main Hollywood actress (or next closest thing) that I find attractive in the nude is Alice Eve, because she's got amazing tits. Check out the film Crossing Over to see ample evidence of this.


I just Googled images of Alice Eve as i did know of her

She seems like any typical LA big boobed, white teeth, tanned, super smiling bimbo and 10 a penny at that
Did I miss something?

Rob


Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:31 am
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Robert Holloway wrote:
Ragnarok73 wrote:
For me, the main Hollywood actress (or next closest thing) that I find attractive in the nude is Alice Eve, because she's got amazing tits. Check out the film Crossing Over to see ample evidence of this.


I just Googled images of Alice Eve as i did know of her

She seems like any typical LA big boobed, white teeth, tanned, super smiling bimbo and 10 a penny at that
Did I miss something?

Rob

Yeah Alice isn't that great, she's not bad but she's no Kat Von D.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:20 am
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Robert Holloway wrote:
typical LA big boobed, white teeth, tanned, super smiling bimbo and 10 a penny at that
I now have this memorized.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:55 am
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Vexer wrote:
Yeah Alice isn't that great, she's not bad but she's no Kat Von D.


Ewwwww.....she would be decent-looking but all those tattoos turn me off.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:24 am
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The great irony about nudity in the movies is that as society becomes more liberal in regards to it, actresses become more conservative. Maybe because its so commonplace on the Internet, they (actresses) are beginning to think nudity and porn are synonymous, which is far from the case.


Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:06 pm
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Will someone please cast ScarJo in a Lars von Trier film?

Vexer wrote:
I've never read any nudie magazines in my life, and with the internet i've really got no need. I live in an unincorporated area so there were several adult video stores and a strip club there, unfortunately the club and all but one of the video stores closed down before I had a chance to go to any of them, the one store that's still open is right down the road from where I live, i've been there before, but I plan to visit there real soon. As for nudity in films, I couldn't care less about whether it's essential to the plot or not, you'll NEVER hear me complain about a female nude scene in a film, not even Bates, her scene wasn't a turn-on but it didn't repulse me either, it just made me shrug in indifference.


Things I know about Sexy Vexy:
1. On Literotica almost every day.
2. Thinks AdultFriendFinder is a great way to make friends.
3. Plans to head down to the Adult video store "real soon"

:lol: Oh, Vex, this place would be so much less interesting without you. If we ever have a Reelviews meet-up I know who's bringing the hookers and blow.

Robert Holloway wrote:
Ragnarok73 wrote:
For me, the main Hollywood actress (or next closest thing) that I find attractive in the nude is Alice Eve, because she's got amazing tits. Check out the film Crossing Over to see ample evidence of this.


I just Googled images of Alice Eve as i did know of her

She seems like any typical LA big boobed, white teeth, tanned, super smiling bimbo and 10 a penny at that
Did I miss something?

Rob


Yes! She's British! I saw Crossing Over and I think she played an Aussie so she can do an accent. She wasn't awful in She's Out of My League either. A better looker than actress though.


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I just completed a screenplay (Sunset Tango) in which the lead character is a stripper. I wrote the nude scenes so they would show the nudity. But I didn't fill the script with them because the nudity isn't the central point of the film.

In an earlier script that I wrote (one of the three I wrote that will likely remain unmade) I included a sex scene. But I tried to write it in a way that it would come off as sensual rather than obvious. A friend who read the script said she liked the scene because "it's so warm". That's precisely what I was going for.

I have watched a few pornos in my time on this earth. I'm not really a major fan of them, not because I'm a prude (far from it). But because in terms of things like story, once you;ve seen one porno you've seen em all. Of course, one doesn't really watch pornos for things like plot and characters (sorry Burt Reynolds in Boogie Nights). Nowadays, porno is easy to find on the internet and if you go to the right sites, no rental fee.

And Demi Moore being naked was the only reason to see Striptease.

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